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Few agree with me on these Traditional threads.
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Your_Abbott
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This may be a multicutural country, but if anyone of our inhabitants go look for a job, they have to speak English. Go to any international company open in, say, New York. The rule is everyone speaks English, even among whatever the nationality of the company: French, German, Spanish, Italian, Thai, etc.Why do you think that? The United States is a multi cultural, multi racial and multi lingual country. Depending in what area you are in it could reasonably be argued that Spanish is the more common language of the majority of the people.
The entire Mass would not be said in Latin in any event, so I really don’t understand your somewhat hysterical claim that the liturgical movement, whatever that is,would be turned back a hundred years
English is a requirement for employment, and to be used even in personal conversation. I am not an hyterical person. I insist however that the Mass be in our tongue, except in those places where the national tongue might be Spanish, and to encourage them to come to Church we have Mass in Spanish, the vernacular, not in Latin.
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I_Believe
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bear06
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That’s probably because bulls and china shops don’t mix.
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Duke_of_Mantua
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I am not going to skip the concert because spending time with my daughter is important. Mass is important too, which is why I made such a concentrated effort to find an EF that fits my schedule. Do you go to the 7:30am Mass at your Parish or do you go to the 10am? It’s nice to have choices! I, on the other hand, along with many others, have to juggle our schedule to find a Mass that supposedly was never abrogated, but seldom held and stingingly offered.
When I was a kid, if I missed the 9am, who cared? I could go to the 10:30, 12pm, or 5pm Mass. Must be nice. On the other hand, I now have to drive to different parishes and try to assist at their ONE TLM. God knows what I am doing and he’s proud because I made a concentrated effort that made it inconvenient for me but I honored my obligations to both my family and God.
I refuse to be one of these freaks who have children who hate them because they went overboard with religion. I did my duties as a father to my child and son to The Father.
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piouswoman
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Certainly I pray daily for the pope to teach the truths of our faith. Presently, he does not in many things. The pastoral Vatican Council II contains many ambiguities and is filled with “time-bombs”, thus, it is a bad Council and one that should be dumped into the dustbin of history. As far as ecumenism as we know it today, it is an ERROR. I quote this TRUTH:
“The Catholic Church has always taught that the only way to bring about true religious unity is by non-Catholics converting to Catholicism, for only the Catholic Church is the true and only Church founded by the Lord Jesus Christ, and only the Catholic Church is the Ark of Salvation, outside of which no one can be saved. The Catholic Church has always issued strong rebukes against ecumenical ventures (Popes Pius IX, Leo XIII, St. Pius X, Pius XI, and Pius XII come to mind in particular), warning the faithful that such things lead to the ruin of souls.”
Why do you blindly follow the errors taught by the modernist popes of the last forty years, yet so willingly disregard previous popes throughout the history of the Church? The Church did not begin with Vatican II. We have a duty as Catholics to know our faith, and to reject error even when it is being taught by the pope. We all know that the modernist popes since the last Vatican Council are soaked in modernism. Modernism was CONDEMNED by SAINT Pope Pius X in his encyclical Pascendi Dominici gregis.
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I fear your response is greatly off topic for this thread. But, I am curious, what part exactly of the documents of Vatican II, when viewed in proper historical context, contradicts the quotation that you cited?
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dyspepsic
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If it’s the Pope, take what you can get. If the Mass is the Mass is the Mass as you say, then your convenience shouldn’t be the most important issue. You should be able to understand an Italian or a German Mass if the Mass is important to you. Or isn’t it valid enough for you?
Validity? That’s never a problem.
But, Latin, Italian, German? I should be able to understand it in German? Dumkaff!
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piouswoman
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THE AMBIGUOUS PARTS.
“Michael Davies quite clinically exposes the contradictions between what the Council Fathers clearly intended and the appalling liturgy that has been imposed upon the Church by those with their own agenda.”
unavoce.org/news/2003/timebombs.htm
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Eilish_Maura
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Let’s be clear here – you REJECTED multiple options of the OF in order to force fit an EF - even when it looked like you would have to go to a schismatic one.
The Mass is important? Sure, right – if it is what you want when you want it.
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MrS
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In the few years he has been Pope, you have been able to watch him enough to form your opinion.
Please give us some examples of the many things in which he teachs non truths.
If you are successful, you can keep the word catholic in your bio.
If you are shown to be wrong, please drop your claim to belong to the Church headed by Benedict XVI.
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I really don’t know where you live but I can tell you first hand that people are not required to speak English to get a job in this country. Nor can they reasonably be forced to speak English unless the job itself requires it.
You do sound just a tad hysterical by the way. Just an observation.
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piouswoman
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Who am I addressing that has the gall to frame the statements above as you have? Are you a priest, a bishop, a theologian, a moderator, a site owner?
Please remove the scales from your eyes and pay attention to the abuses and problems in the church today.
romancatholicism.org/101-benedict.htm
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Brother_John
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While you may disagree with MrS, I don’t recall him ever writing a post that recommended to a first-time Mass attendee, that they ignore the NO/OF Mass and find a SSPX chapel to attend.
Planks and specks, my friend…planks and specks.
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lak611
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Do you have any documentation from a legitimate source, rather than the source you gave which espouses Nazi beliefs?
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piouswoman, you are a very, very sick person.
I will pray for you!
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Gottle_of_Geer
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This is far better than going to a Mass offered by clerics who are at the very least not in good standing.
As for validity - that’s all very well, but would those Catholics who attend SSPX Masses go to Orthodox Liturgies, Masses offered by sedevacantists, & other priests whose offerings are valid but are not signs of communion with the Church ? If not, then what justifies going to the SSPX ?For Catholics to go to SSPX Masses is horrible - it implies that the Mass can be separated from the Church: whereas the union of priest & people at the Mass is a sign of the unity of the Church as a worshipping body. To go to Masses which are not offered by priests in full communion with the Church is to separate the Mass from the Church & to turn it against the Church - it is the liturgical equivalent of separating sexual activity from the end for which sexuality was ordained by God.
That the revised Missal of the Roman Rite may not be what we might want, has nothing to do with anything; it suffices that it is the form of the Liturgy in the RR which the competent authorities in the Church have provided for us.
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OutinChgoburbs
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:clapping: And despite protests to the contrary, there ARE reverent OU (NO) Masses in the Diocese of Rockford, in which Aurora rests, including the parish church mentioned that hosts the TLM.This is far better than going to a Mass offered by clerics who are at the very least not in good standing…For Catholics to go to SSPX Masses is horrible - it implies that the Mass can be separated from the Church: whereas the union of priest & people at the Mass is a sign of the unity of the Church as a worshipping body. To go to Masses which are not offered by priests in full communion with the Church is to separate the Mass from the Church & to turn it against the Church - it is the liturgical equivalent of separating sexual activity from the end for which sexuality was ordained by God.
That the revised Missal of the Roman Rite may not be what we might want, has nothing to do with anything; it suffices that it is the form of the Liturgy in the RR which the competent authorities in the Church have provided for us.
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ProVobis
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This is quite an attack against one of the Vatican’s chief spokespeople. I suppose you have a more direct line with the Pope?
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I do blame their “belief” for many of their actions. On the very videotape with which he advertised his beheading of American repairman Nick Berg, Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi, added a message straight from the Qur’an. . Berg’s murder, the masked man intoned, was sanctioned by Islam’s holiest texts. “Has the time not come for you to lift the sword, which the master of the Messengers [Muhammad] was sent with?” al-Zarqawi asked. "The Prophet … has ordered to cut off the heads of some of the prisoners of Badr … He is our example."
These people, the Muslims want to kill you because you don’t believe in Muhammad, the “Prophet”.
From the Qur’an:“Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.” (Qur’an 8:12) “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides…their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.” (Qur’an 5:33).
WE are the “unbelievers”.
Now, I know that many of you will answer this with references to our own Bible’s violence…only to ignore the fact that the violence approved of in the old Testament, was reversed with the coming of Christ who taught peace:
“But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.” And when Peter asked Jesus, "How many times must I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Seven times? & Jesus answer, “I tell you, not seven times…but seventy-seven times”.
Please don’t compare the Catholic faith to the religion started by Muhammad, who “saw” the Angel Gabriel & who claims he got these messages of hate & violence from said angel.
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