Don't Hate Me. I Am Going To A SSPX This Sunday

[Aramis]

This is quite an attack against one of the Vatican’s chief spokespeople. I suppose you have a more direct line with the Pope?

The excommunication of the SSPX bishops by Pope John Paul II.

1. With great affliction the Church has learned of the unlawful episcopal ordination conferred on 30 June last by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, which has frustrated all the efforts made during the previous years to ensure the full communion with the Church of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X founded by the same Mons. Lefebvre. These efforts, especially intense during recent months, in which the Apostolic See has shown comprehension to the limits of the possible, were all to no avail.(1)MP-ED
   The suspension of all priests of the SSPX by Pope John Paul II.
   c) In the present circumstances I wish especially to make an appeal both solemn and heartfelt, paternal and fraternal, to all those who until now have been linked in various ways to the movement of Archbishop Lefebvre, that they may fulfil the grave duty of remaining united to the Vicar of Christ in the unity of the Catholic Church, and of ceasing their support in any way for that movement. Everyone should be aware that formal adherence to the schism is a grave offence against God and carries the penalty of excommunication decreed by the Church’s law.(8) (ibid)

Actually, reading this, no, they are excommunicated. Thank-you for making me reread it and learn they are worse off than I thought.,

It’s on the Vatican Website:

Plus Benedict XVI refers to the schismatic acts of the SSPX. Break is a synonym for schism.
We all know that, in the movement led by Archbishop Lefebvre, fidelity to the old Missal became an external mark of identity; the reasons for the break which arose over this, however, were at a deeper level.Apostolic Letter - MP SP

Plus homilies he has given on TV. It’s pretty clear.

Plus canon law. (Also available on-line at the Vatican.)

It is clear that, since Hoyas contradicts both Pope John Paul II and other members of the same council (Specifically Msgr. Perl), that one of these must be in error. Given the description of a break, as used by His Holiness B XVI, I’m inclined to doubt Hoyas. When multiple sources conflict, the odd man out is suspect.

While Pope Benedict uses softer terms, the excommunication hasn’t been lifted.

 

[piouswoman]

Do you have any documentation from a legitimate source, rather than the source you gave which espouses Nazi beliefs?

Nazi beliefs? Is that how you see Traditional Catholic Doctrine?

If you want to see Nazi beliefs, you need not look any further than this secular society we live in.

 

[piouswoman]

piouswoman, you are a very, very sick person.
I will pray for you!

Like, you are a very, very sick person
I will pray for you!

 

[lak611]

Nazi beliefs? Is that how you see Traditional Catholic Doctrine?

If you want to see Nazi beliefs, you need not look any further than this secular society we live in.

The link you provided has a lengthy section about National Socialism (Nazi) on their homepage. Did you think I would not check the homepage? I clicked on “National Socialism” on the homepage of the site and saw a picture of Hitler. Another link on that site denies that the Holocaust happened.

 

[piouswoman]

The link you provided has a lengthy section about National Socialism (Nazi) on their homepage. Did you think I would not check the homepage? I clicked on “National Socialism” on the homepage of the site and saw a picture of Hitler. Another link on that site denies that the Holocaust happened.

And if you would be honest with yourself and not engaging in trying to distract and deceive, you would of noticed this statement at the top:

Resources are indicated for interest and information purposes only. Some of the links are direct to .pdf books. Under construction.

It appears to be strictly resource information for those interested in this subject matter, and if you are concerned I suggest you contact the webmaster of the site.

 

[lak611]

And if you would be honest with yourself and not engaging in trying to distract and deceive, you would of noticed this statement at the top:

Resources are indicated for interest and information purposes only. Some of the links are direct to .pdf books. Under construction.

It appears to be strictly resource information for those interested in this subject matter, and if you are concerned I suggest you contact the webmaster of the site.

Since you admit that this site only contains “Resources . . . for interest and information purpose only”, why don’t you provide another authoritative source?

 

[Like]

Like, you are a very, very sick person
I will pray for you!

Thank you very much, I do need all the prayers I can get!

 

[bear06]

And if you would be honest with yourself and not engaging in trying to distract and deceive, you would of noticed this statement at the top:

Resources are indicated for interest and information purposes only. Some of the links are direct to .pdf books. Under construction.

It appears to be strictly resource information for those interested in this subject matter, and if you are concerned I suggest you contact the webmaster of the site.

It’s hardly evident that they are against National Socialism. It wouldn’t say much to say “Here’s the info for you to combat National Socialsim”. Besides, that is far from the only questionable thing on the site. If you insist on using this site as your source, you will always be taken to task for it. This is a site that should be condemned by everyone not one that should be used to support a position. If they actually had a valid position, you’d be sure to find it on some less bizarre site.

 

[SenorSalsa]

I do blame their “belief” for many of their actions. On the very videotape with which he advertised his beheading of American repairman Nick Berg, Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi, added a message straight from the Qur’an. . Berg’s murder, the masked man intoned, was sanctioned by Islam’s holiest texts. “Has the time not come for you to lift the sword, which the master of the Messengers [Muhammad] was sent with?” al-Zarqawi asked. "The Prophet … has ordered to cut off the heads of some of the prisoners of Badr … He is our example."

These people, the Muslims want to kill you because you don’t believe in Muhammad, the “Prophet”.

From the Qur’an:“Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.” (Qur’an 8:12) “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides…their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.” (Qur’an 5:33).
WE are the “unbelievers”.

Now, I know that many of you will answer this with references to our own Bible’s violence…only to ignore the fact that the violence approved of in the old Testament, was reversed with the coming of Christ who taught peace:

“But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.” And when Peter asked Jesus, "How many times must I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Seven times? & Jesus answer, “I tell you, not seven times…but seventy-seven times”.

Please don’t compare the Catholic faith to the religion started by Muhammad, who “saw” the Angel Gabriel & who claims he got these messages of hate & violence from said angel.

So how bout you practice what you preach and turn the other cheek, combat thier violence with peace and charity?

 

[Ghoti]

If it’s the Pope, take what you can get. If the Mass is the Mass is the Mass as you say, then your convenience shouldn’t be the most important issue. You should be able to understand an Italian or a German Mass if the Mass is important to you. Or isn’t it valid enough for you?

Validity? That’s never a problem.

But, Latin, Italian, German? I should be able to understand it in German? Dumkaff!

That’s dummkopf.

 

[Ghoti]

Cheese louise… I went to that website, one of the articles says:

God did not start the various religions because he intends to use them as means of salvation as the new Vatican II religion claims. Rather he allows the world to be crammed with false religions and other deceptions because he wants almost everyone to be damned. Thus we supply the proper, Augustinian theological context to the dogma of ‘no salvation outside the Church’. Ecumenism and interfaith are blasphemous and sacrilegious and help confirm the damned in their false religions.

This is what Christ brought to the world?

 

[CradleCath]

Good for you. I hope you support the Vicar of Christ on earth, and the efforts of the Popes to promote ecumenism at the Second Vatican Council, and revive the liturgy.

That is orthodoxy. Now if that is where you are, I applaud your efforts. If not, I pray you get with the program.

 

[Auntie_M]

My daughter got involved with the SSPX while in freshman year of college. I visited an SSPX church with her five times. (That’s all I could take). The first time I went, I felt evil all around me and couldn’t even take communion, the next time was the same, the next time, a man got up (after mass) went to the back, brought out a computer, took it outside the front door and smashed it, “cause Father doesn’t like computers”. Yet “father” is all over the internet. Another time, (before the moto propio), this same “father” stood at the pulpit and bragged “We’ve got the Vatican on the run, we will get our TLM” I saw this with my very own eyes. My daughter has been told to “distance” herself from me since I am not “society”. this “church and priest” has all but torn my family apart with his suggestions to my daughter. I am sorry, but this IS NOT Catholic, Catholism is about families. And if someone would please tell me what the “alleluia man” is that they burn over a bonfire before ash Wednesday? This SSPX church does some VERY WEIRD things and the priest is the “superior” or something like that over the US! With the home base in Kansas City, Mo. where he runs a publishing co. If this is what we have to do to “stay in the traditional faith”, I’ll just pray and ask Jesus to forgive me, I WILL Not believe that Jesus lied when He said the Gates of Hell will not prevail, and this is where we have tolet our faith led us. Straight to the Vicar of Christ.

 

[bear06]

My daughter got involved with the SSPX while in freshman year of college. I visited an SSPX church with her five times. (That’s all I could take). The first time I went, I felt evil all around me and couldn’t even take communion, the next time was the same, the next time, a man got up (after mass) went to the back, brought out a computer, took it outside the front door and smashed it, “cause Father doesn’t like computers”. Yet “father” is all over the internet. Another time, (before the moto propio), this same “father” stood at the pulpit and bragged “We’ve got the Vatican on the run, we will get our TLM” I saw this with my very own eyes. My daughter has been told to “distance” herself from me since I am not “society”. this “church and priest” has all but torn my family apart with his suggestions to my daughter. I am sorry, but this IS NOT Catholic, Catholism is about families. And if someone would please tell me what the “alleluia man” is that they burn over a bonfire before ash Wednesday? This SSPX church does some VERY WEIRD things and the priest is the “superior” or something like that over the US! With the home base in Kansas City, Mo. where he runs a publishing co. If this is what we have to do to “stay in the traditional faith”, I’ll just pray and ask Jesus to forgive me, I WILL Not believe that Jesus lied when He said the Gates of Hell will not prevail, and this is where we have tolet our faith led us. Straight to the Vicar of Christ.

I’m sorry you’ve had such a bad time with your daughter.

I didn’t know what the Alleluia Man was so I looked it up. I found in the the SSPX website. It probably just seems odd because it’s French.

sspx.org/RCRpdfs/2007_rcrs/may_2007_rcr.pdf

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

Nazi beliefs? Is that how you see Traditional Catholic Doctrine?

If you want to see Nazi beliefs, you need not look any further than this secular society we live in.

Seriously… that website was full of really outrageous things and it absolutely does espouse Nazi beliefs.

That Leonard Feeney guy was really creepy - not a defender of orthodoxy.

 

[MrS]

I really don’t know one Protestant who cares whether we ever join together as one Church again.

IMO., after watching the events between the Church & other denominations during these past 40 years is…that the only kind of ecumenicism that will be pleasing to Christ is called CONVERSION.

 

[piouswoman]

My daughter got involved with the SSPX while in freshman year of college. I visited an SSPX church with her five times. (That’s all I could take). The first time I went, I felt evil all around me and couldn’t even take communion, the next time was the same, the next time, a man got up (after mass) went to the back, brought out a computer, took it outside the front door and smashed it, “cause Father doesn’t like computers”. Yet “father” is all over the internet. Another time, (before the moto propio), this same “father” stood at the pulpit and bragged “We’ve got the Vatican on the run, we will get our TLM” I saw this with my very own eyes. My daughter has been told to “distance” herself from me since I am not “society”. this “church and priest” has all but torn my family apart with his suggestions to my daughter. I am sorry, but this IS NOT Catholic, Catholism is about families. And if someone would please tell me what the “alleluia man” is that they burn over a bonfire before ash Wednesday? This SSPX church does some VERY WEIRD things and the priest is the “superior” or something like that over the US! With the home base in Kansas City, Mo. where he runs a publishing co. If this is what we have to do to “stay in the traditional faith”, I’ll just pray and ask Jesus to forgive me, I WILL Not believe that Jesus lied when He said the Gates of Hell will not prevail, and this is where we have tolet our faith led us. Straight to the Vicar of Christ.

Why not give the details of this accusation? Such as the name of the chapel and those involved? I go to the SSPX and have NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES seen any thing like what you have said. Your statement not only sounds preposterous and with evil intent, but is an action of detraction and debasement made without any chance of a rebuttal from those you accuse.

Now, we all know that it only takes one deceitful post on an internet forum to scare off and mislead many souls, and to falsely accuse the SSPX as you have done above is scandalous. One should be* very careful* about what one posts, as it could justifiably be called slander.

Sadly, you will cause harm, since most people aren’t smart enough to take it upon themselves to find out the truth, it is easier for them to listen to evil posts in cyberspace. Hope you can sleep with that. You might consider just how “Catholic” your actions are.

 

[laudamus_te]

My daughter got involved with the SSPX while in freshman year of college. I visited an SSPX church with her five times. (That’s all I could take). The first time I went, I felt evil all around me and couldn’t even take communion, the next time was the same, the next time, a man got up (after mass) went to the back, brought out a computer, took it outside the front door and smashed it, “cause Father doesn’t like computers”. Yet “father” is all over the internet. Another time, (before the moto propio), this same “father” stood at the pulpit and bragged “We’ve got the Vatican on the run, we will get our TLM” I saw this with my very own eyes. My daughter has been told to “distance” herself from me since I am not “society”. this “church and priest” has all but torn my family apart with his suggestions to my daughter. I am sorry, but this IS NOT Catholic, Catholism is about families. And if someone would please tell me what the “alleluia man” is that they burn over a bonfire before ash Wednesday? This SSPX church does some VERY WEIRD things and the priest is the “superior” or something like that over the US! With the home base in Kansas City, Mo. where he runs a publishing co. If this is what we have to do to “stay in the traditional faith”, I’ll just pray and ask Jesus to forgive me, I WILL Not believe that Jesus lied when He said the Gates of Hell will not prevail, and this is where we have tolet our faith led us. Straight to the Vicar of Christ.

Wow, you sound just like my mother. She has fabricated some very strange ideas and false impressions of the SSPX, too, mostly from ignorance. It’s very sad that our Church has drifted so far away from it’s traditional practices and ideologies that they are now considered “weird.”

 

[Aramis]

Sadly, you will cause harm, since most people aren’t smart enough to take it upon themselves to find out the truth, it is easier for them to listen to evil posts in cyberspace. Hope you can sleep with that. You might consider just how “Catholic” your actions are.

If you adhere to the SSPX, you already ceased being Catholic, according to Moto Proprio Ecclesia Dei…

Time to pray for both you and the OP…

Remember: since MPED, the SSPX have been, essentially, in the same category as the Polish National Church, the Old Catholics: not part of the church except in their own minds.

 

[Father_Tom]

Now, we all know that it only takes one deceitful post on an internet forum to scare off and mislead many souls, and to falsely accuse the SSPX as you have done above is scandalous. One should be* very careful* about what one posts, as it could justifiably be called slander.

Coming to a Catholic website, espousing the misguided “virtues” of the SSPX, could be considered libelous in itself. “Slander” is a term reserved for the spoken word.

Fr. T