Don't Support Devilish Music(Rock Music)!!!

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Domini Canus wrote:

Rainy season has started here, so it’s been raining non-stop.

I remember the “tsuyu” well. Lots of clouds, drizzle, and humidity. Hard to dry your laundry in that weather.

today is my 12th wedding anniversary

Congratulations. Just celebrated my 13th five days ago.

*Yes, especially the attitude and patterns prevalent in electric blues, which heavily influenced the power trios of the 60s, like Cream (Eric Clapton) and the Jimi Hendrix Experience. The debt rock owes to electric bluesmen cannot be overstated. *

Rock was around long before the power trios you mention. Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Elvis, etc. came out over ten years earlier. Rock comes from all sorts of genres: Blues, R&B, country, folk, gospel. One can hear both the country and blues influences in Elvis’ Sun recordings from 1954 (12 years before Cream or Hendrix). Rock of course, evolved into different sub-genres, including hard rock like Clapton, Hendrix, etc.

Never really liked “Japanese Rock” or popular music. There are many local Japanese musicians who play rock very well. Once met a Japanese man who could play, note for note, every solo by Eric Clapton perfectly. Met the Ventures at the Hard Rock Cafe in Tokyo years ago - just before the drummer died. The Ventures are still huge in Japan.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Rock was around long before the power trios you mention. Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Elvis, etc. came out over ten years earlier. Rock comes from all sorts of genres: Blues, R&B, country, folk, gospel. One can hear both the country and blues influences in Elvis’ Sun recordings from 1954 (12 years before Cream or Hendrix). Rock of course, evolved into different sub-genres, including hard rock like Clapton, Hendrix, etc.
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Yeah, I know. Though, as a teacher on the subject, let me nitpick. 😉 50s rock n roll is quite different from 60s rock, not only in technical considerations but also in philosophy. Dylan destroyed the pop and rock conventions of the 50s, the Everly Brothers, for example, proved that the rock beat can also be used in the service of ballads, and Buddy Holly said, “Hey, ya know what? Rock is good enough on its own that it can be just listened to. It need not simply be an excuse to freak out and dance.”

Just my 2c.
 
domini_canus said:
The electric guitar is the key. Without that, it’s not rock.
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Not really. There are groups like Crosby, Stills, & Nash that had plenty of songs without electric guitars but are still considered rock. I would say the electric bass is more consistently used in rock music.
 
cta1967 said:
domini canus;5262135:
the electric guitar is the key. Without that, it’s not rock.
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not really. There are groups like crosby, stills, & nash that had plenty of songs without electric guitars but are still considered rock. I would say the electric bass is more consistently used in rock music.
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Rock = MORE COWBELL!!! 😃
 
There’s this one band that I enjoy listening (and headbanging) to. They’re called Skillet and they sing rock/heavy metal, but the lyrics are really meaningful.
Once the leader of Skillet, John Cooper, had just finished a concert and most of the people had gone home. They were cleaning up when John noticed this guy watching him. The guy was big and dressed totally in black and he was just staring at John, making him uneasy. Finally the guy walks up to John and to John’s surprise, he’s got tears in his eyes. He starts telling John about his life and how he felt like this one song that John had sung was for him. The song is called “Last Night” and it’s about this girl who hates her life and wants to commit suicide. Then the chorus basically tells her that if she gives God one chance, He’ll make it the last night she’ll ever spend alone. The guy wasn’t a Christian. He had just gone to the concert because of the style of music. But he and John ended up hugging and crying and John was praying for him.
I guess my point is, maybe rock has been used to endorse Satan. But Christ has taken something bad and changed it into something good. If Christ can use this music to bring more people to Him, then it needs to be encouraged, not condemned. 🙂
 
Any guesses as to who sings this?

*Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you’re dead you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head or is he a part of you?
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?

When you think about death do you lose your breath or
do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope
do you think he’s a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I’ve seen the light and I’ve changed my ways
And I’ll be prepared when you’re lonely and scared at the end of our days

Could it be you’re afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
that God is the only way to love

Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun?

I think it was true it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don’t believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can’t retrieve

Perhaps you’ll think before you say that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he’s the one
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it’s too late.*

Its the “prince of darkness” himself, Ozzy Osbourn.
 
Yeah, I know. Though, as a teacher on the subject, let me nitpick. 50s rock n roll is quite different from 60s rock, not only in technical considerations but also in philosophy. Dylan destroyed the pop and rock conventions of the 50s, the Everly Brothers, for example, proved that the rock beat can also be used in the service of ballads, and Buddy Holly said, “Hey, ya know what? Rock is good enough on its own that it can be just listened to. It need not simply be an excuse to freak out and dance.”

thanks for your two cents. Obviously 50’s rock is different from 60’s rock but even the Beatles wouldn’t have been much were it not for their heroes and influences Buddy Holly, Little Richard, and Carl Perkins. Their music matured as they went on but even their later albums featured straight forward rock at times. I think a big difference between the fifties and the sixties rock was in the amplification and distortion effects on the instruments as well as outside influences such as folk, jazz, and drugs. The unifying element in rock throughout the decades has been the basic rythm and blues foundation, albeit expressed differently due to technology and influences. If you are interested in a rock group expressing all the different influences listen to the first album by Moby Grape.

Ishii
 
CTA1967 said:
Not really. There are groups like Crosby, Stills, & Nash that had plenty of songs without electric guitars but are still considered rock. I would say the electric bass is more consistently used in rock music.
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That is very true. I guess I was speaking more about rock and roll, not 60s rock. Anyway, the blues chord progression is the key, isn’t it? As well as the steady beat or “rock rhythm”.
 
domini_canus said:
Anyway, the blues chord progression is the key, isn’t it? As well as the steady beat or “rock rhythm”.
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Heh, not if you’re like Emerson, Lake, and Palmer who wrote music with almost arbitrary chord changes and time changes. 😛
 
yellowbicycle said:
I’m afraid I’m going to offend some classic rock lovers out there, but…
The Eagles? The Beachboys? Does ANYBODY listen to them anymore? Hotel California? Really?
Ugh.
That, and Mustang Sally are probably the most painful songs I’ve ever had to hear.
I told my DJ at my wedding if he played any Eagles he could expect not to get paid. I was serious.
All that being said, I didn’t think there was anything wrong with any of the music on the radio til I had kids. And now I’m like ‘Nope, can’t listen to that, nope, not that either, and definitely not THAT!’
It’s hard to think of one artist on mainstream radio that isn’t at least a little bit trashy.
😦
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Having children woke me up too!
Its the lyrics…ARGH!!!
And I put that stuff in my brain to the point where there is very few songs from the 60’s and 70’s and some of the 80’s that I can’t sing a long with and I sorrowfully tell you, misspent my youth…
 
Interesting, very interesting! I love practically all kinds of music… here’s something to consider. Someone said: “Art is moral. If it is not moral, it is not art.” What do y’all think of this statement? Not only music but any kind of art?
 
SecretBeliever said:
Interesting, very interesting! I love practically all kinds of music… here’s something to consider. Someone said: “Art is moral. If it is not moral, it is not art.” [bold emphasis by Nom the Wise] What do y’all think of this statement? Not only music but any kind of art?
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It’s a *ridiculous *statement. First off, forms of the verb “To Be” (am, is, are, was, etc) can be turned into equal signs because they express “being.” Thus: “Art = moral.” Nope.

A basic definition of Art: Art is the representation, in an art object or series of sounds, of something at least vaguely human (as only humans can make art, and only humans can appreciate it on a meaningful level–not to discount the dolphins and monkeys:p). How an audience reacts to the art is (can be) a determiner of how well the art speaks to other people and thus reflects something that they identify with.

With respect to this thread, lyrics (based on their content) *can *be said to be moral or immoral. I would go further to say that lyrics that are unapologetically “evil” distort what it means to be human and on that basis should be rejected by believers. If anything, the popularity of “evil” lyrics is perhaps a sign of the spiritual sickness of their listeners. But there is a broad range of “negative” human truths that can and should be represented in art because they *happen *to humans, and we express our pain and doubt about these things in our art.

If I had an example to give, I’m thinking of “Freebird” off the top of my head.😃 The song is about a man leaving his woman because he must be free. He cannot be changed. He is a “free bird.” Now these lyrics could be said to be promoting infidelity. “Oh no! I’m a Christian! I can’t listen to this!” But that stellar guitar solo makes up for it in the end. :cool:
 
Ha, Nom, you’re like my DH; very precise with the language! Well, I think you’re right with the dissection (sp?) of the statement. But, I guess what I mean is, an example: I can’t see how any kind of instrumental music could be considered moral or immoral? On the other hand, with paintings or other forms of visual art, if you take them at face value, they could be representing “moral” or “immoral” subjects, no? Of course there are so many paintings that convey people in distress, the whole gamut of emotion, but that doesn’t mean the subject isn’t actually engaging in “immoral” behavior. And some things are just disgusting, like the Pieta compared with P!$$ Christ? (ugh) With music, though, like you said “Freebird” describes what it describes, OK, but it’s not like some of the “lyrics” in rap music that can’t be mistaken for anything good, ya know? (all that to say I agree with what you’re getting at)
 
SecretBeliever said:
Ha, Nom, you’re like my DH; very precise with the language! Well, I think you’re right with the dissection (sp?) of the statement. But, I guess what I mean is, an example: I can’t see how any kind of instrumental music could be considered moral or immoral? On the other hand, with paintings or other forms of visual art, if you take them at face value, they could be representing “moral” or “immoral” subjects, no? Of course there are so many paintings that convey people in distress, the whole gamut of emotion, but that doesn’t mean the subject isn’t actually engaging in “immoral” behavior. And some things are just disgusting, like the Pieta compared with P!$$ Christ? (ugh) With music, though, like you said “Freebird” describes what it describes, OK, but it’s not like some of the “lyrics” in rap music that can’t be mistaken for anything good, ya know? (all that to say I agree with what you’re getting at)
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It’s hard to peg instrumental music as being “immoral.” Some pieces get a bad rap because they get associated with things, like *Bolero *being associated with sex, etc.

It’s funny that you mention The Pieta, because it *is *a distortion of human physiology (the next time you look at the Pieta, notice how very extremely large Mary is. If she stood up she would be about 10 feet tall! :eek: Many people have *never *noticed that!). I certainly wouldn’t lump the Pieta in with P!$$ Christ (as you so cleverly avoided the censors) but it is a rejection of Christianity and that is a human action, though it is distasteful, gross and blasphemous. Rap music has gotten a bad rap (pun not intended but I acknowledge it) because it represents (mostly) the “gansta” lifestyle. But I have heard rap/hip-hop that tries to distance itself from that. There is an artist called “That Subliminal Kid” who performed at my graduation from the Art Institute of Chicago. He’s good.

And of course there are art pieces, or things that people have attempted to claim as being “art” like pornography (when I was at the Art Institute of Chicago, they actually had a class in making porn as art. Students *participated *:eek::eek:) which we can reasonably discount, especially porn as it distorts the human sex act and puts it in a context that is unhealthy for the human psyche, let alone being sinful. But I find it hard discrediting eroticism in general (even for Christians) as the human body is not sinful, though the line between what does or does not induce “lust” in the viewer is easily blurred.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Or the band Andromeda. Definitely no consistent drum beat. I don’t know how he does it!
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Well, behind seemingly illogical beats, there usually is some sort of pattern to how many beats are in a measure or a group of measures. Sometimes it’s fun to just sit around and count along to progressive rock songs. 😛
 
celticsfan1983 said:
Turns out, rock music has its roots in R&B, blues and jazz. These styles of music are dominated by African-Americans. Now this makes me wonder, when you see cranky people say “Rock music comes from Satan,” you could reasonably draw the conclusion that the person is wildly racist, as they call it’s predominantly African-American origins Satan.
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Took me all the posts to get to this.

I listen to (or have) listened to almost everything as a musician for the last 30 years. My love of music has evolved mainly to Jazz. If I’m burning “down there” for listening to Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Coleman Hawkins and so many others I guess I need to assume that risk the rest of my life. I’ll be there with my Dad (RIP) since he brought me up on this style.

I listen to Dave Matthews and (this may ban me from this site forever) Kiss and so much more - Garth Brooks, etc…

I just can fathom how someone can believe this can be considered Satanic since it’s God’s gift that these people can create art on the spot for the benefit of others…

Wow… I never thought I’d read / hear something like this again since I was 14 and people said not to play Stairway to Heaven backwards…
 
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