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Patrick_Murebil
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Hi Andrew,
I think it is pretty clear where you were headed and what you were saying based on your posts above.
God bless all!!!
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I think it is pretty clear where you were headed and what you were saying based on your posts above.
God bless all!!!
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happilycatholic
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Patrick:
I’d actually hoped that their attacks on the Church were exaggerated here.
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BibleTruth
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Hebrews 8:1-2: “The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.”
The earthly sanctuary and priesthood was done away with when Christ died.
Revelation 5:9-10: “And they sang a new song: ‘You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.’”
Revelation 20:6: “Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.”
The “priests” referenced here are those who have been purified by the blood of Christ. Not sinful men who claim to forgive sins.
This was Jesus instruction before leaving the earth:
Matthew 28:18-20: “Then Jesus came to them and said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.’”
If what you’re teaching is not in line with what Jesus taught, its false doctrine. The disciples and apostles that Jesus instructed carried His message…not their own. They didn’t come up with new laws or sacraments or change what God had instituted. God’s remnant church would be like the original and follow what was originally established.
You know, when someone is intoxicated, as you’re probably aware, it means their judgment is skewed. Notice in Revelation 17:2 where John writes of the Great Whore that, “…the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.” So I’m not surprised at the things I’m reading here or why some people out-right reject God’s word in favor of false doctrines (“adulteries”) handed down by men. It’s just another example of history fulfilling biblical prophecy.
Unfortunately, the Bible reveals that not everyone will be saved. Many will go to their graves clinging tightly to these man-made traditions because of their individual level of intoxication no matter how much the Holy Spirit pleaded with them to open their eyes (Revelation 3:18) and come out of Babylon (Revelation 18:4).
But at some point we have to “Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy” (Revelation 22:11).
God bless you all.
In Christ,
Andrew
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happilycatholic
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Seriously? Would it matter if I did?
I posted a quote that proved that there were Christians worshipping on Sunday in 90 AD. What do you have to say about that? You ignore what you wish and point out that others ignore you and your questions.
But then again, it would really matter.
Gerbels on a wheel go round and round, round and round, round and round.
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BibleTruth
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You can try to paint me into that corner if you want to, but I’d at least suggest you take what I’m saying at face value first.
Yes…notice I said “it’s in the forehead of the Great Whore because it’s embedded in her way of thinking”…just as the Seal of God is in the forehead of those who accept it. The mark of the beast, however, is not only in the forehead (as it clearly is with many) but in the hand indicating one’s actions. Satan doesn’t care about sincerity…as long as people comply. And when that time comes and his mark is enforced, many will lose faith and comply for the sake of saving their lives. But God will judge them accordingly also - Luke 17:33: “Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.”
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Soutane
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I hadn’t considered that-sounds good to me.
How horrible to have as a basis for your Faith the hatred of another.Pray for them to come out of the darkness and into the Light of the True Church founded by Christ and not a false prophetess who suffered from probable brain damage and delusions caused by a blow to the head.
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BibleTruth
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You asked for biblical support for something you questioned. It was provided and you ignored it. That only reinforces the fact that your position is unstable and should be evaluated. Perhaps if you considered it you would see that you, too, are a spiritual Israelite, subject to God’s Ten Commandment Law…of which, nothing has been changed or omitted.Seriously? Would it matter if I did?
I posted a quote that proved that there were Christians worshipping on Sunday in 90 AD. What do you have to say about that? You ignore what you wish and point out that others ignore you and your questions.
But then again, it would really matter.
Gerbels on a wheel go round and round, round and round, round and round.
The Didache quote you posted is based on Catholic tradition…it has no biblical grounds. It wasn’t even accepted by all of your Early Church Fathers because they recognized it as false doctrine. You may want to consider basing your faith on Jesus Christ and His word and not in the writings of uninspired, sinful men. They will only lead you to death and destruction.
I haven’t ignored anything, but I can’t say that for those who I’ve responded to. In all honesty, I think my time here is winding down. Thankfully, the words we’ve all posted, as Patrick has stated, will be here for future reference. Based on what the Bible says, most people will continue to reject God’s truth, but there may be one who sees the light and comes out of Babylon. If my contributions to this forum can assist in the process of even one person being saved, then it’s been well worth it. As a disciple of Christ, I can only plant the seed; the Holy Spirit will find a way to water it.
God bless you.
Andrew
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BibleTruth
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Who said anything about hating another? Just because I believe you belong to a false religion doesn’t mean I don’t love you.I hadn’t considered that-sounds good to me.
How horrible to have as a basis for your Faith the hatred of another.Pray for them to come out of the darkness and into the Light of the True Church founded by Christ and not a false prophetess who suffered from probable brain damage and delusions caused by a blow to the head.
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Soutane
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But I AM my Faith-it permeates my being.It is not an accessory it is who I am.Funny how you describe Catholicism as false:I guess Christ really did let the Gates of Hell prevail upon His Church for 1800+ years until the false prophetess was bonked in her noodle.
It’s funny also in that is exactly what I’ve heard Dougie say on Amazing Made-up Facts.
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josie_L
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She is a FALSE PROPHET.
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greggy53
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Really? Then why does Jesus say “Whatsoever”?
18 “Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven. 19 Again I say to you, that if two of you shall consent upon earth, concerning any thing whatsoever they shall ask, it shall be done to them by my Father who is in heaven”
The books that were omited from the cannon were omited by a rebellious priest a thousand years after the Church put them in the cannon. If God did not want to give to men this authority then why did he tell St Peter that upon this Rock he would build his church and the gates of Hell would not prevail against it."? And don’t tell me Jesus was talking about himself, that’s nonsense. Why would our Lord say such a thing? Why would our Lord say “I give to you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven”? Why would he say those things if he were not giving St Peter and the apostles the authority over his Church.??? If you say that the church became lost or irreversibly corrupt at some later date you are calling our Lord a liar. For he said that the gates of Hell would not previail against His Church.
One more thing. No where in scripture does it say that the bible is the sole measure of truth. However, it does tell us that the *Church *is the pillar and foundation of truth.
1 Timothy 3
15" But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."
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happilycatholic
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I believe and correct me if I’m wrong, what Christ is telling the Galatians is that IF they belong to Christ, they will be the TRUE children of Abraham. As in there is no division among THE TRUE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST.
Also, it’s always a curious thing how you pluck these passages out and use them in your own context. Christ is actually telling them this:
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM.” 11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Hmm, kinda like what you’re doing. That is refusing to see how Christ has come to save you and done away with the law. And letting EGW bewitch you.
**Why don’t you try posting a few passages in their correct context. **
Oh, and I’m done with the Sabbath and communion. Sabbath, no. Eucharist, yes. That’s about it.
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BibleTruth
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Now Patrick, come on…you know that the “rock” that Jesus built His church on was the “petra” or “large stone” meaning Himself and not the “petros” (“pebble”) that is only used to describe Peter. Look at the word for “Rock” used in 1 Corinthians 10:4 that is clearly talking about Jesus Christ.
In reference to the passage in John 20, realize that Jesus sent the disciples as the Father sent Him (John 6:38; 7:16; 8:28; 12:49)…not to run off and do their own thing.
Consider 2 Corinthians 5:18-20: “All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.”
As Christ’s ambassadors, disciples carry His word of reconciliation to the world to show everyone that our sins are not counted against us if we belong to Christ and abide in His word. I know you can twist the Scriptures to say anything you want it to say, but that doesn’t make it right.
These manufactured doctrines are ridiculous and only serve the purpose of separating you from God. Catholics love to talk about Seventh-day Adventists being swayed by various doctrines, but I really think you all should look in the mirror.
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BibleTruth
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Wow…you just posted an entire passage and missed the whole point of it. We who belong to Christ have faith in Him, leaving no divisions amongst us. Abraham’s faith was shown by his actions in being willing to kill his son in obedience to God. Faith, alone, won’t save you (James 2:14). In fact, “You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone” (James 2:24).
Maybe your fail to realize that I agree that the Book of the Law has been abolished. Even with that said, I don’t believe any of us can gain access to God’s kingdom by trying to simply obey the Ten Commandments. I’ve stated repeatedly here that we are saved by God’s grace and our faith in Jesus Christ. But as the Bible clearly states, it doesn’t stop there…that’s just the start.
Your actions are being judged by God right now. Perhaps one day you’ll realize that simply claiming to be a Christian will not grant you access into God’s kingdom. Our love for God is expressed by our obedience to him (John 14:15). Unfortunately, for now, you’ve chosen to ignore that fact and have used man-made tradition to sidestep what God has established and called for you to do.
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josie_L
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An Unbroken String of Failures Predicting Christ’s Return
The 1856 prediction was the last in an amazingly unsuccessful series of predictions of Christ’s return made by Ellen White. Lucinda Burdick, a friend of Mrs. White in the 1840’s, explains how Mrs. White often predicted Christ’s return:
I became acquainted with James White and Ellen Harmon (now Mrs. White) early in 1845. … She pretended God showed her things which did not come to pass. At one time she saw that the Lord would come the second time in June 1845. The prophecy was discussed in all the churches, and in a little “shut-door paper” published in Portland, Me. During the summer, after June passed, I heard a friend ask her how she accounted for the vision? She replied that “they told her in the language of Canaan, and she did not understand the language; that it was the next September that the Lord was coming, and the second growth of grass instead of the first in June.” September passed, and many more have passed since, and we have not seen the Lord yet. It soon became evident to all candid persons, that many things must have been “told her in the language of Canaan,” or some other which she did not understand, as there were repeated failures. I could mention many which I knew of myself.
Once, when on their way to the eastern part of Maine, she saw that they would have great trouble with the wicked, be put in prison, etc. This they told in the churches as they passed through. When they came back, they said they had a glorious time. Friends asked if they had seen any trouble with the wicked, or prisons? They replied, “None at all.” People in all the churches soon began to get their eyes open, and came out decidedly against her visions; and, just as soon as they did so, she used to see them “with spots on their garments,” as she expressed it. I was personally acquainted with several ministers, whom she saw landed in the kingdom with “Oh! such brilliant crowns, FULL of stars.” As soon as they took a stand against the visions, she saw them “doomed, damned, and lost for ever, without hope.” (An Examination of Mrs. Ellen White’s Visions, Miles Grant, Boston: Published by the Advent Christian Publication Society, 1877)
Despite her failures in 1844 and 1845, Mrs. White continued predicting Christ’s imminent return. In 1849 her associate Joseph Bates announced that the “time of trouble has began.” In the summer of 1849 a local pestilence struck the region. Mrs. White, seeing this as a fulfillment of prophecy indicating the end of the world, predicts this pestilence will soon become widespread:
“What we have seen and heard of the pestilence, is but the beginning of what we shall see and hear. Soon the dead and dying will be all around us.” (Present Truth, Sept. 1849).
(Note: Not long after this prophecy was penned the pestilence ended and the United States entered a period of relative peace and prosperity that lasted for many years. The above quote was removed from the article when it was republished in Early Writings in 1882 and few Adventists are aware of its existence.)
By April of 1850 Mrs. White was claiming that the final shaking had begun:
“The mighty shaking has commenced.” (Present Truth, April, 1850)
On June 27, 1850, Mrs. White wrote that only a few months remained for the people to get ready:
“My accompanying angel said, ‘Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.’ . . . now time is almost finished. . . and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.” (Early Writings, pp. 64-67).
This is a very significant statement. Mrs. White was saying that the truths that she and her associates had spent five years learning would have to be learned by new converts in only a few months. By September of 1850 Mrs. White was warning that Jesus was nearly finished in the Most Holy Place:
“I saw that the time for Jesus to be in the most Holy place was nearly finished, and that time cannot last but a very little longer. … The sealing time is very short and soon will be over.”—Experience & Views pp. 46-47.
When Christ did not return as expected in the early 1850s, Mrs. White gradually stopped making specific predictions about His return. Her statement at the 1856 conference was the last time she ever made a specific prediction about the time of Christ’s return, and, like all of her previous statements on the subject, time has proven her prophecies wrong.
[www.(name removed by moderator)lainsite.org/html/ellen_white_false_prophecy.html](www.(name removed by moderator)lainsite.org/html/ellen_white_false_prophecy.html)
The 1856 prediction was the last in an amazingly unsuccessful series of predictions of Christ’s return made by Ellen White. Lucinda Burdick, a friend of Mrs. White in the 1840’s, explains how Mrs. White often predicted Christ’s return:
I became acquainted with James White and Ellen Harmon (now Mrs. White) early in 1845. … She pretended God showed her things which did not come to pass. At one time she saw that the Lord would come the second time in June 1845. The prophecy was discussed in all the churches, and in a little “shut-door paper” published in Portland, Me. During the summer, after June passed, I heard a friend ask her how she accounted for the vision? She replied that “they told her in the language of Canaan, and she did not understand the language; that it was the next September that the Lord was coming, and the second growth of grass instead of the first in June.” September passed, and many more have passed since, and we have not seen the Lord yet. It soon became evident to all candid persons, that many things must have been “told her in the language of Canaan,” or some other which she did not understand, as there were repeated failures. I could mention many which I knew of myself.
Once, when on their way to the eastern part of Maine, she saw that they would have great trouble with the wicked, be put in prison, etc. This they told in the churches as they passed through. When they came back, they said they had a glorious time. Friends asked if they had seen any trouble with the wicked, or prisons? They replied, “None at all.” People in all the churches soon began to get their eyes open, and came out decidedly against her visions; and, just as soon as they did so, she used to see them “with spots on their garments,” as she expressed it. I was personally acquainted with several ministers, whom she saw landed in the kingdom with “Oh! such brilliant crowns, FULL of stars.” As soon as they took a stand against the visions, she saw them “doomed, damned, and lost for ever, without hope.” (An Examination of Mrs. Ellen White’s Visions, Miles Grant, Boston: Published by the Advent Christian Publication Society, 1877)
Despite her failures in 1844 and 1845, Mrs. White continued predicting Christ’s imminent return. In 1849 her associate Joseph Bates announced that the “time of trouble has began.” In the summer of 1849 a local pestilence struck the region. Mrs. White, seeing this as a fulfillment of prophecy indicating the end of the world, predicts this pestilence will soon become widespread:
“What we have seen and heard of the pestilence, is but the beginning of what we shall see and hear. Soon the dead and dying will be all around us.” (Present Truth, Sept. 1849).
(Note: Not long after this prophecy was penned the pestilence ended and the United States entered a period of relative peace and prosperity that lasted for many years. The above quote was removed from the article when it was republished in Early Writings in 1882 and few Adventists are aware of its existence.)
By April of 1850 Mrs. White was claiming that the final shaking had begun:
“The mighty shaking has commenced.” (Present Truth, April, 1850)
On June 27, 1850, Mrs. White wrote that only a few months remained for the people to get ready:
“My accompanying angel said, ‘Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.’ . . . now time is almost finished. . . and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.” (Early Writings, pp. 64-67).
This is a very significant statement. Mrs. White was saying that the truths that she and her associates had spent five years learning would have to be learned by new converts in only a few months. By September of 1850 Mrs. White was warning that Jesus was nearly finished in the Most Holy Place:
“I saw that the time for Jesus to be in the most Holy place was nearly finished, and that time cannot last but a very little longer. … The sealing time is very short and soon will be over.”—Experience & Views pp. 46-47.
When Christ did not return as expected in the early 1850s, Mrs. White gradually stopped making specific predictions about His return. Her statement at the 1856 conference was the last time she ever made a specific prediction about the time of Christ’s return, and, like all of her previous statements on the subject, time has proven her prophecies wrong.
[www.(name removed by moderator)lainsite.org/html/ellen_white_false_prophecy.html](www.(name removed by moderator)lainsite.org/html/ellen_white_false_prophecy.html)
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happilycatholic
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How in the world does the paragraph at the top reconcile with the paragraph at the bottom? You have been doing nothing but separating Christ from his people here on this thread.
**Every faith doctrine we have is rooted in Scripture, including Sunday worship and you continue to say things like we are pagan and worship a sun god. That is the most rediculous thing I’ve ever hear come out of another supposed Christian’s mouth. **
You should be ashamed of yourselves. You follow a false prophet and are too stubborn to admit it and so you accuse others of doing so. No prophet found in the catholic faith has ever made a false prophesy. In fact ALL OUR PROPHETS ARE FOUND IN SCRIPTURE. Where is EGW in Scripture???
Well, you know where stubborness got the Isrealites. I think it’s you who had better look in the mirror.
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BibleTruth
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I’m not ignoring you, but I’m simply not going to respond because it would be of no use. I just urge you to study the Bible for yourself.
I’m finished here for now. Take care of yourself.
Lovingly,
Andrew
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Verisimilitude
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If that was the case Acts 1:21-26 would not have been required.
All humans are purified by Christ sacrifice. All they need do is acknowlege it. What sinful man told you about Christ?
Why do you not follow it then? If you are going to quote something like Hebrews 8 or John’s Revelation, do not limit it to fit your view but read all of it in context which the Church fully embraces unlike your cherry picking.
The stones you throw at her (Catholic Church) are fulfilling biblical prophecy and if any are drunk with skewed judgments it is not those remarkable examples of humans who walk the talk such as the Priests and Nuns that Matthew 19:11 describes. Where is this example in your faith?
The cup of misunderstanding you hold with both hands has made you drunk.
The reality that all are sinners should dispel the myth you preach in error and arrogance.
Christ said he came to call the sick, not the healthy. The Jews that condemned Jesus were strict in their adherence to the Law much like you are trying to claim for yourself and your sect, yet they displeased God for having eyes and still unable to see.
The Fall describes the pride of individuals to choose what is good and what is evil by their own judgments, dismissing the authority reserved by God alone. Our Parents were influenced by an illegitimate authority and thus later generations were given it by Moses which established a legitimate authority for them. Jesus did nothing less than this and as God knows man is fallible He established a legitimate authority for later generations.
The Jews offered blood sacrifice to atone for their sins. Christ, the sacrifice for all human sins may be more universal than you want to believe. The Sacrament of Reconciliation recognizes this and where you may feel acknowledging Christ’s sacrifice is sufficient to cleans your personal inequity both Jewish and Christian history disagree with you. If anyone is making new law and sacraments it is not the Catholics, but those who think they are a legitimate authority outside of the Church founded on Peter though Jesus.
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BibleTruth
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You never provided any support from the Bible that God’s word instituted Sunday worship. You only ignored the quote that was provided by the Catholic church that acknowledged that it’s not in the Bible and that the Catholic church instituted it.
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happilycatholic
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FIRST YOU HAVE TO BELONG TO CHRIST. These people were obvisouly mistaken about that. Nowhere does it talk about a “claim” to be Christian. You MUST BELONG TO CHRIST. Do you know what that means Bible Truth?
Again, you subsitute the Sabbath for Christ. I subsitute Christ for the Sabbath.
You are the one who has misinterpreted the passage with your individual self-proclaimed divine ability to interpret Scripture.
Your actions are being judged by God right now
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