Drinking alcohol and smoking pot – what are your thoughts?

[Kush]

I’m not glorifying it. I’m simply stating how things are.

Here is something for you to think about. You seem to have an issue with my way to god. What would happen if someone came into your life, and tried to tell you following the church is “demonic”? what if they said that because they thought differently than you do? My friend, please stop judging people. You know that is not the way. the road has many paths. In the end, its the journy, not the destination that gets us there. your way is right… my way is right.

I am sorry…but it is your thinking that is dangerous. The attempt to glorify a mind altering drug is…in my opinion…demonic.
I do not turn my back on God’s grace and mercy…I turn my back on recreational hallucinogenic drugs

 

[jackson3997]

I would ask the proponents of smoking weed to take a long hard look at the saints and martyrs. These are the people who are the role models for what it is to live like and to die for Christ. A whole lot of their lives consist of denying themselves to such pleasures…and I’m sorry to burst your bubble but they made judgements as well. Yes, Christ accepts and loves everyone, but He DOES NOT accept and love everyones behavior. A couple glasses of wine at a celebration or with a meal…no harm, actually good for you… sucking hot tar smoke into your lungs to alter your state of consciousness, sorry thats not what Christ would be doing or encouraging. Get your “high” from him. Also, I’ve had enough experience with it to tell you all firsthand that it does NOT bring you closer to God. Think about going into Mass or to adoration high…as a giggling imbecile…its ludicrous.

 

[mab23]

I personally feel this is a difficult topic because living in California I know its popular and common to use marijuana prescribed to deal with pain and certain other ailments -

 

[GaryTaylor]

That is pretty ridiculous. Cannabis does not “open the door to passions”, Mild hallucinations.

Weed is a Mild hallucination, and “proof” I submit “Kush” who see’s God [at least he believes so. then again maybe he’s just Stoned]. I’ll wait for his empirical proof which I assure you isn’t coming. Mild hallucination = Users have mild hallucinations.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I personally feel this is a difficult topic because living in California I know its popular and common to use marijuana prescribed to deal with pain and certain other ailments -

My dear friend, Geographical logic does not wash. Popular and Common doesn’t wash.

Its was popular and common for Hitler to kill jews and in the geography of what Hitler claimed was “Germany.”

 

[GaryTaylor]

You seem to have an issue with my way to god

Your self admitted way to God is a mild hallucination, still not seeing the issue?

 

[Kush]

I don’t recall at anytime Jesus ever wanting anyone to “die for him”. Sorry, but that is not coming from Jesus. You also seem to have a problem with people if they “gigle”? The Jesus I know wanted people to be happy. You glorify martyrs… Think my friend, is that really what the Jesus story has taught you?

PS: Most people today know alcohol is a much harder and dammaging drug than weed. You know its the number one cause of death for teens… just sayin

I would ask the proponents of smoking weed to take a long hard look at the saints and martyrs. These are the people who are the role models for what it is to live like and to die for Christ. A whole lot of their lives consist of denying themselves to such pleasures…and I’m sorry to burst your bubble but they made judgements as well. Yes, Christ accepts and loves everyone, but He DOES NOT accept and love everyones behavior. A couple glasses of wine at a celebration or with a meal…no harm, actually good for you… sucking hot tar smoke into your lungs to alter your state of consciousness, sorry thats not what Christ would be doing or encouraging. Get your “high” from him. Also, I’ve had enough experience with it to tell you all firsthand that it does NOT bring you closer to God. Think about going into Mass or to adoration high…as a giggling imbecile…its ludicrous.

 

[Kush]

Sorry, but the senence is not logical. Its like saying, you can eat chocholate. its fine to eat chocolate, but Hitler killed jews. No one on earth has ever died from weed. Manny however have died from intollerance in todays world. Hitler is irrelavant.

My dear friend, Geographical logic does not wash. Popular and Common doesn’t wash.

Its was popular and common for Hitler to kill jews and in the geography of what Hitler claimed was “Germany.”

 

[Kush]

Garry can you please do a google search. Weed is not a hallucinagen, 2, its not dangerous at all, 3, it acctually does have medical properties to it. google search “cannabis kills cancer”. checkout the studies from Birkly.

Peace

Your self admitted way to God is a mild hallucination, still not seeing the issue?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Hey Gary,

You are divine thought. I do not really understand your point though. I do agree with what you said, - the only morality which is relavant is Christ. So, saying so, Jesus once said " man will search high and low for the kingdom of God, but he will not find it… for what he does not know is that the kingdom is inside him". Yes, heaven is not out there… heaven is not a place you will reach one day… you are already there.

Jesus also said, you can do anything he has done, and greater things… Gary, if that does not prove to you that you are devine… I do not know what else will. You are god We are all god… there is simply no separation. And your thoughts are important, and you yourself are devine.

Peace my friend.

Kush, you been smoking to much weed and your thinking is fragmented as a result. The thought enacted to get stoned isn’t a divine thought, its acting off a self destructive impulse to escape that which you cannot deal with. Its an escape, your are self medicating. I know you heard this in your last treatment facility. I imagine your response is more polished now. You are on the merry-go-around emotionally frozen in time. And when the weed no longer is God enough for you. By your logic why not go for Heroin?

And no Kush your not God, that is exactly the issue I referred to which has become the issue with man in the past.

You can through free-will choose the path to divinization in this state of mans inclination to sin/thus Grace, or your own path and rationalize what you think God will accept? Its not the Kush will be done. Its Thy Will be Done=Gods.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Garry can you please do a google search. Weed is not a hallucinagen, 2, its not dangerous at all, 3, it acctually does have medical properties to it. google search “cannabis kills cancer”. checkout the studies from Birkly.

Peace

Don’t have to search I “know”. Its a schedule one Narcotic and a “mild hallucinogen” and effective by your own testimony.

Odd you would argue that after seeing God. That’s called “denial”. And btw anyone who see’s after “substance abuse” may indeed be dangerous.

Btw Kush I honestly don’t think your the right spokesman from the legal pot case. Imho you have damaged their case with incoherent testimony based on a mild hallucinogen, and self admitted.

 

[GaryTaylor]

the sentence is not logical. Its like saying, you can eat chocholate. its fine to eat chocolate, but Hitler killed jews.

Whats not logical is your above sentence.

Do you always miss the point, or you don’t want to hear.

Geography and popularity are no reason for “legal”. Killing jews being the example.

popular/geography=Hitler/Germany= legally killing jews

popular/geography=Kush/home= legalizing marijuana

Pretty much straight forward Kush. Common doesn’t wash.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I don’t recall at anytime Jesus ever wanting anyone to “die for him”. Sorry, but that is not coming from Jesus. You also seem to have a problem with people if they “gigle”? The Jesus I know wanted people to be happy. You glorify martyrs… Think my friend, is that really what the Jesus story has taught you?

PS: Most people today know alcohol is a much harder and dammaging drug than weed. You know its the number one cause of death for teens… just sayin

Aberrant thinking, part of your defense to insure denial. You running from yourself, don’t expect others to chase too long. And you will be confronted with those same thoughts you seek refuge from. As you are not dealing with them. They aren’t going anywhere.

We are talking legal marijuana, and substance abuse.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

Drinking in moderation is fine. Jesus drank alcohol. Smoking pot in the U.S. is currently (for the most part) illegal, and since it’s not an unjust law, we’re obliged to follow it. If marijuana were to be decriminalized then a Catholic could partake, again, in moderation, and not doing things like smoking pot and driving.

In Christ,
Ellen

 

[CopticChristian]

See, thats the problem. You either follow Christ, or you follow mans idea of what morality is. you cannot do both.

Kush,

Explain how following Christ helps you decide what is and what is not moral?

 

[CopticChristian]

As he also said, each of us can do what he did and greater things. Its not because you are a man… its because Jesus gave us lessons that taught us we are so much bigger than what we think. We all come from a source - some label as god, others label it as something else. In the end however, labels are meaningless, and nothing more than words. .

Kush,

Spiritual, or spirituality is what Jesus teaches. You are in fact a spirit now. There really is nothing mortal about you. You are god. As Jesus said, the kingdom is inside you.

Where can someone read about this formulation of belief or is it your own?

Spiritual is just a label depicting the lessons of Christ, the lessons of Buddha, the lessons of all our teachers

So you are telling me that Spiritual is following lessons of a teacher. Which Teachers are valid to cause you to be Spiritual?

 

[CopticChristian]

does it matter? why do you need a label so badly?

Follow Christ my friend, and ditch the label. Jesus never said he was "catholic, he never
said he was religous, some say he was Jewish, but he never followed their traditions either.

I think your still following “mans” words… not a good thing. Simply follow him… it will take you to where you truly want to be.

Peace

Kush,

He taught love, compassion, understanding, well… I don’t need to tell you what he taught. He was not anti-gay, he hung out with prostitues, desalates, the poor. He did not judge or need to label anyone.

How is it anyone can know all that Jesus taught? What is the source for that information?

 

[CopticChristian]

btw - the original meaning of the word SIN is “to have missed the point”.

Listen to his teachings… forget the word of man (very bad idea), and follow what he said. Drop the obsession of his crusifiction (that will keep your mind where it does not belong), and instead embrace the love the wanted us too to have for each other. It hurts to see people follow him, and at the same time miss the point of it all. Mans church has killed his message. He message was very very simple.

Love everyone. Tollerate everyone, don’t judge anyone. That is the true way.

Kush,

Jesus is a teacher. Weather he existed or not, what color he was, or even the fact that he was crusified is totally irelevant. Many people seem to miss the point…

What point are we missing?

His death is irrelevant? Explain why you believe this to be true.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Drinking in moderation is fine. Jesus drank alcohol. Smoking pot in the U.S. is currently (for the most part) illegal, and since it’s not an unjust law, we’re obliged to follow it. If marijuana were to be decriminalized then a Catholic could partake, again, in moderation, and not doing things like smoking pot and driving.

In Christ,
Ellen

Ellen, Jesus is the example par-excellence for alcohol and marijuana?

Whats moderation? Whats responsible?

I think Mickey made a excellent point with the One Hit marijuana.

One hit and you talk to God. So are you saying God comes in a bag? And when that’s no longer God enough, then what? Humm, switch seats on the Titanic? So one look and smell, and you know that’s God?

Alcohol? At the bottom of that glass is your fortune cookie. And it reads “Your running out of chance’s”

Just Saying, nothing personal, just another slippery slope we call responsible.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

Ellen, Jesus is the example par-excellence for alcohol and marijuana?

Whats moderation? Whats responsible?

I think Mickey made a excellent point with the One Hit marijuana.

One hit and you talk to God. So are you saying God comes in a bag? And when that’s no longer God enough, then what? Humm, switch seats on the Titanic? So one look and smell, and you know that’s God?

Alcohol? At the bottom of that glass is your fortune cookie. And it reads “Your running out of chance’s”

Just Saying, nothing personal, just another slippery slope we call responsible.

I never said anything of the sort! I just said we’re obliged to obey laws unless those laws are immoral or unjust (like the HHS mandate). So, currently speaking, it would be wrong to smoke marijuana in the U.S., with some rare exceptions, but alcohol consumption is legal, and the Church does not believe it’s immoral (as Jesus partook of it and actually manufactured it at Cana!), so long as one doesn’t drink to the point of becoming drunk or so buzzed they lose control of their mental and physical faculties. We’re obliged to obey the laws against drinking and driving, as well. We also shouldn’t abuse legally prescribed narcotics, but we are obviously allowed to use them for their intended purpose. Since the purpose of alcohol and marijuana is recreational, alcohol, and marijuana where it’s legal, is fine to use moderately. Heck, I think CCC even says smoking cigarettes isn’t totally prohibited, so why would marijuana be if it was legal? I’m not sure how you extrapolated what you did from my post!

In Christ,
Ellen