Drinking alcohol and smoking pot – what are your thoughts?

[GaryTaylor]

so long as one doesn’t drink to the point of becoming drunk or so buzzed they lose control of their mental and physical faculties.

The point Ellen. The responsible, moderation point? Where is it? Right before the above?

And what about when they drink and smoke.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

And for the record, I don’t smoke pot, I wouldn’t even if I could (say, in Amsterdam), I don’t drink to excess (I do enjoy a good dark beer or glass of wine once a week or so), and I’ve never smoked cigarettes (I find it disgusting and wouldn’t be at all upset if tobacco were actually banned. Yeah, I know, Libertarian I ain’t! ), so it doesn’t bother me at all that marijuan is illegal, I was just giving an answer based on what Church teachings about laws and moderation.

In Christ,
Ellen

 

[GaryTaylor]

And for the record, I don’t smoke pot, I wouldn’t even if I could (say, in Amsterdam), I don’t drink to excess (I do enjoy a good dark beer or glass of wine once a week or so), and I’ve never smoked cigarettes (I find it disgusting and wouldn’t be at all upset if tobacco were actually banned. Yeah, I know, Libertarian I ain’t! ), so it doesn’t bother me at all that marijuan is illegal, I was just giving an answer based on what Church teachings about laws and moderation.

In Christ,
Ellen

Amen, That responsible point, we in agreement, its a slippery slope?

 

[Mickey]

I’m not glorifying it.

It seems that you are.

You seem to have an issue with my way to god.

I am not your judge. You have free will.

What would happen if someone came into your life, and tried to tell you following the church is “demonic”?

I am obedient to the teachings of my Church and my spiritual father.

My friend, please stop judging people.

I have judged no one. I am simply saying that the justification to recreationally smoke drugs…is demonically inspired.

the road has many paths.

There is one truth. The path is narrow.

 

[Kush]

Hi Gary, The only advice I can give is is non spiritual. You do not seem to have a good relationship with god. you seem to have a relationship with the ideas instilled to you by Man. I can say that, as your replies to my views are very closed minded, and I’m sure your ideals did not come to you from god, Jesus, or anything other than man.

If you have never tried something, you really should not have an opinion on it. My original view stands. It does bring me closer to god, it brings many christians closer to god, and even many world religons use it ceremonially as it brings people closer to god. Have you ever even tried? if not, how can you possibly even have an opinion?

Kush, you been smoking to much weed and your thinking is fragmented as a result. The thought enacted to get stoned isn’t a divine thought, its acting off a self destructive impulse to escape that which you cannot deal with. Its an escape, your are self medicating. I know you heard this in your last treatment facility. I imagine your response is more polished now. You are on the merry-go-around emotionally frozen in time. And when the weed no longer is God enough for you. By your logic why not go for Heroin?

And no Kush your not God, that is exactly the issue I referred to which has become the issue with man in the past.

You can through free-will choose the path to divinization in this state of mans inclination to sin/thus Grace, or your own path and rationalize what you think God will accept? Its not the Kush will be done. Its Thy Will be Done=Gods.

 

[Kush]

Not really, your example points out something harmeless (smoking herb), and compares it to hitler?

a 10 year old would see thought this logic

Whats not logical is your above sentence.

Do you always miss the point, or you don’t want to hear.

Geography and popularity are no reason for “legal”. Killing jews being the example.

popular/geography=Hitler/Germany= legally killing jews

popular/geography=Kush/home= legalizing marijuana

Pretty much straight forward Kush. Common doesn’t wash.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Hi Gary, The only advice I can give is is non spiritual. You do not seem to have a good relationship with god. you seem to have a relationship with the ideas instilled to you by Man. I can say that, as your replies to my views are very closed minded, and I’m sure your ideals did not come to you from god, Jesus, or anything other than man.

Kush, your not suggesting this self proclaimed enhanced delusion is a well formed relation with the Almighty?

If you have never tried something, you really should not have an opinion on it. My original view stands. It does bring me closer to god, it brings many christians closer to god, and even many world religons use it ceremonially as it brings people closer to god. Have you ever even tried? if not, how can you possibly even have an opinion?

Kush, If I told you how many times I heard this, “You never shot dope, how would you know” line you wouldn’t believe me. Nevertheless, we don’t have to agree, just think about it, I’m almost as certain as you no resolve will come today. But the seed of truth is planted.

 

[Kush]

Hi allgirls,

I belive way back up there, the point was this. Law and spiritualy are not the same. The law is unjust, and stupid in my opinion. Jesus never followed roman law. He never preached roman law. he was a rebel. today we are all just pansies. How did our governmetn get the church to start idolizing them?

BTW, the priamay reason weed became illegal in the US is due to Mexians (it was a racist law). Today its illegal as legaizing it would cost the pharmacuitcal companies billions in proffit. (its good for everything from headachs and mestral cramps to cancer).

Drinking in moderation is fine. Jesus drank alcohol. Smoking pot in the U.S. is currently (for the most part) illegal, and since it’s not an unjust law, we’re obliged to follow it. If marijuana were to be decriminalized then a Catholic could partake, again, in moderation, and not doing things like smoking pot and driving.

In Christ,
Ellen

 

[Kush]

Morality is our choice. following his teachings is what helps each of us develop our own sence of morality.

Kush,

Explain how following Christ helps you decide what is and what is not moral?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Kush pot smokers are not a race.

 

[Kush]

For sure, you can read all about it in this book called the bible

Just follow his story, (not the killings, and the things man added to the bible), but simply his teachings. He taught by example. Live your life the way he lived his, and you will find enlightenment.

Live the way the church teaches, and you’ll surely get confused, and spend the rest of your life trying to figure out meaninless things. Never forget, the church is just man. I wish they would stick to his teachings, and stop trying to add to it.

His way was simple. Be kind to everyone… Love everyone from the prositues, to the poor, to the lost. forget the rest, and focus on just this… then you’ll find truth.

Kush,

Where can someone read about this formulation of belief or is it your own?

So you are telling me that Spiritual is following lessons of a teacher. Which Teachers are valid to cause you to be Spiritual?

 

[Kush]

Its in the bible dude

Kush,

How is it anyone can know all that Jesus taught? What is the source for that information?

 

[Kush]

Jesus died, (he was mortal at the time), we all die. What bothers me today is how the Church and many Christians focus on his crusificion. This takes your mind away from important lessons he taugh… and keeps people in a state of (guilt, anger, and other things that are “un christlike”.

Death asside, do you really feel if he was here today, he would just want to talk about his death, or do you think he would get back to the “love everyone message”?

Kush,

What point are we missing?

His death is irrelevant? Explain why you believe this to be true.

 

[CopticChristian]

Morality is our choice. following his teachings is what helps each of us develop our own sence of morality.

Kush,

Then you are saying that Morality is relative and not absolute. Is this correct?

 

[CopticChristian]

For sure, you can read all about it in this book called the bible

Just follow his story, (not the killings, and the things man added to the bible), but simply his teachings. He taught by example. Live your life the way he lived his, and you will find enlightenment.

Live the way the church teaches, and you’ll surely get confused, and spend the rest of your life trying to figure out meaninless things. Never forget, the church is just man. I wish they would stick to his teachings, and stop trying to add to it.

His way was simple. Be kind to everyone… Love everyone from the prositues, to the poor, to the lost. forget the rest, and focus on just this… then you’ll find truth.

Kush,

What did man add to the Bible?

The Bible says that when we disagree to get a witness and then if you can’t resolve it to take it to the Church.

The Bible says that the Church is the Pilar and Foundation of Truth and it is where the manifold wisdom of God is known.

You say that the Church teaches and we should not follow it.

How do you get that out of the Bible?

 

[CopticChristian]

Its in the bible dude

Kush,

your dudeness…

So are you saying that all I need to do is follow what is in the Bible?

 

[ALLGIRLS]

The point Ellen. The responsible, moderation point? Where is it? Right before the above?

And what about when they drink and smoke.

That’s depends on the individual to monitor. But the Church gives us the freedom to do it. Of course some people will abuse it (and getting intoxicated is considered a grave sin, mortal if all the qualifications are met). The same arguments can be made against eating too much (gluttony) and eating unhealthy foods. But the Church has never said we can’t have cake or soda, even though they really no nutritional value, and are eaten for pleasure. Overeating until you’re sick can be sinful, but it’s up to each individual to make sure he or she doesn’t cross that line. And it’ll be different for different (a 6’ 5" construction worker is going to need to eat a lot more than I do. It would be sinful for me to eat that same amount of food).

In Christ,
Ellen

 

[GaryTaylor]

Heres some Bible info on wine.

tektonics.org/lp/nowine.html

Conclusion at bottom.

1 Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

This verse does not refer to wine, but is taken as an admonition of teetotalism.

 

[GaryTaylor]

That’s depends on the individual to monitor.

I follow what you saying Ellen. you sound very responsible. I just want to ask, would you agree that individual monitoring system is well, individual? Slippery slope?

 

[JHow]

Funny how fads come and go. Years ago people ate whatever food they had, the fatter, the tastier, and gave this behavior no moral consideration whatsoever. Modern people will engage in any sort of sexual behavior without any thought, but consider certain foods “sinful”.

I don’t smoke but I feel sorry for smokers who have been driven outdoors, refugees from polite society. In a society as varied (and divided) as ours, doesn’t anyone pause to consider that moral concensus may not be all its cracked up to be?