Drinking alcohol and smoking pot – what are your thoughts?

[MikeG85]

That is wrong. It does the opposite. It opens the door to the passions.

Lord have mercy!

Be watchful.

That is pretty ridiculous. Cannabis does not “open the door to passions”, if by passions you mean lots of snacks, then yes. Cannabis was outlawed because of racism and corporate greed. God created the Cannabis plant which has been found to have literally hundreds of medicinal and healing properties. The people who still believe the yellow journalism of the 50’s are totally lost.

To deny the goodness of any of Gods creation, is to say God made a mistake. God doesn’t make mistakes. The point being, all things in moderation, as Jesus said that its not what you put in your body, its what comes out of it …I.E Love being the greatest command. Cannabis has only served to help me be more understanding toward other people and see the world in a different perspective. It is also far more beneficial than alcohol. We have plenty of documented evidence on the horrors of alcohol.

In the Bible it says God gave man every seed bearing herb. Remember when God looked at what he created and said… “it is good” …?

Condemning people for using a God given herb is utterly ridiculous and wildly ignorant.

 

[Kush]

All I can say is you do not understand. You are right, weed is incredible for sex… and you can enjoy the flesh very immencly on it… I do - but always with my wife. We are both very spiritual.

At the same time, weed does not really open a door, or change anything. It simply enhances everything. So, in your example below, yes, it enhances joys of the flesh (aka sex, and passion). However, for some, it enhances taste (therefore, eating is incredible joy for them), others find they become one with the music, others find they become one with god. It has the ability to strip out what is false in your life, and allow you to connect with what Jesus refered to as “the kindgom”. He didn’t mean a real kingdom with a castel and a moat. He meant whats inside you. That is heven. He never said it was a place outside. He said it was in you. Cannabis by its nature can make those who choose to - dive deep within.

Why do you think so many people have said it has helped them, and made thier lives better…

Anyhow, my point was it can do many different things for many different people. We really should never tollerate a government that tells us what our morals should be. That should have only come from what we discover inside, and from the teachings of Jesus.

Peace

Exactly. It places a barrier between you and God and focuses on the flesh.

 

[Kush]

Its not confusing. The truth is in everything. Religon is just one door that can show you some paths. Spirituality is another, I truly love the teachings of the buddhist - even John II was totally in awe with the dalai lama (he refered to him as the smartest man he has ever met).

If you truly want God, you need to open your eyes to all that is true. Only following one path will truly ensure you miss what you were meant to learn in this life.

Basically I’m saying what Jesus said. He did not label himself a “catholic, or a protistant, or an athiest”. He simply was, and was open to everything.

Just curious. What does “Catholic, Buddhist, Spirtual” mean? Sounds like confusion to me.

 

[Mickey]

That is pretty ridiculous .

Not at all.

Cannabis does not “open the door to passions”,.

It certainly does…gluttony, sloth, and paranoia for starters.

God created the Cannabis plant

God created everything. It does not mean that everything is for our edification.

Cannabis has only served to help me be more understanding toward other people and see the world in a different perspective.

Recreational cannabis only serves to enhance the passions. They are now finding that there is a great increase in the chances of stroke.

Condemning people for using a God given herb is utterly ridiculous and wildly ignorant.

Glorifying a drug because the plant from which it is derived was created by God…is utterly ridiculous and wildly ignorant.

 

[Kush]

Hey Gary,

You are divine thought. I do not really understand your point though. I do agree with what you said, - the only morality which is relavant is Christ. So, saying so, Jesus once said " man will search high and low for the kingdom of God, but he will not find it… for what he does not know is that the kingdom is inside him". Yes, heaven is not out there… heaven is not a place you will reach one day… you are already there.

Jesus also said, you can do anything he has done, and greater things… Gary, if that does not prove to you that you are devine… I do not know what else will. You are god We are all god… there is simply no separation. And your thoughts are important, and you yourself are devine.

Peace my friend.

Morality laws are subject to tyranny. Its really that simple. The thinking resides in removing Divinity from the equation and man becoming divinity. When man deems himself divine or all-knowing with what is best for the rest, then man defines morality.

Closer to God in the sense that you were stoned and suddenly realized there was slightly more than the dimensions you thought there were. Should only serve to re-enforce why you should follow Christ correctly. Just saying, the only morality which is relevant is Christs.

 

[MikeG85]

Not at all.
It certainly does…gluttony, sloth, and paranoia for starters.
God created everything. It does not mean that everything is for our edification.
Recreational cannabis only serves to enhance the passions. They are now finding that there is a great increase in the chances of stroke.
Glorifying a drug because the plant from which it is derived was created by God…is utterly ridiculous and wildly ignorant.

Agree to disagree is pretty much all I can tell you.

Live and let live.

 

[Kush]

Hi LSK,

Sorry, but you are wrong, but its really not my place to convince you otherwise.

Your faith has you believe in things most would find rediculus (not me by the way, but many others). You have an open enough mind to belive in gods, yet you do not belive me and many others that this has reshaped our faith. - and you call it “rediculous” Isn’t that being judmental?

Peace be with you,

I am not sure exactly what your point is with this post.

As for ‘weed’ bringing you ‘closer to God’ - that is the most asinine and ridiculous statement I have seen written on this forum in a long time. And believe me there have been some really asinine and ridiculous statements written here - just look at some of MY posts.

Now, as to your question as to why Christians care about secular laws - it is simply because we are a part of the secular world. We cannot simply withdraw and pretend the secular world does not exist. Many of us have done our best to influence laws so that the greater good is served. There is nothing particularly wrong with that - Jesus told us to render unto Cesear that which belongs to Cesear. Our participation in the secular world allows us to do just that - participate as Christians.

simple.

 

[Kush]

Totally agree Mike. I really would like to stress your point… condeming people for using a herb that they have no knowlege of is also being judgmental. Isn’t that like a massive sin?

That is pretty ridiculous. Cannabis does not “open the door to passions”, if by passions you mean lots of snacks, then yes. Cannabis was outlawed because of racism and corporate greed. God created the Cannabis plant which has been found to have literally hundreds of medicinal and healing properties. The people who still believe the yellow journalism of the 50’s are totally lost.

To deny the goodness of any of Gods creation, is to say God made a mistake. God doesn’t make mistakes. The point being, all things in moderation, as Jesus said that its not what you put in your body, its what comes out of it …I.E Love being the greatest command. Cannabis has only served to help me be more understanding toward other people and see the world in a different perspective. It is also far more beneficial than alcohol. We have plenty of documented evidence on the horrors of alcohol.

In the Bible it says God gave man every seed bearing herb. Remember when God looked at what he created and said… “it is good” …?

Condemning people for using a God given herb is utterly ridiculous and wildly ignorant.

 

[aspirant]

Cannabis does not “open the door to passions”, if by passions you mean lots of snacks, then yes.

I suppose an immoderate desire for snacks could be? A partial listing from St. Isaac of Syria: “The passions are… love of riches, desire for possessions, bodily pleasures from which comes sexual passion, love of honor gives rise to envy, lust for power, arrogance and pride of position, the craving to adorn oneself with luxurious clothing and vain ornaments, the itch for human glory which is a source of rancor and resentment, and physical fear.”

To deny the goodness of any of Gods creation, is to say God made a mistake. God doesn’t make mistakes… In the Bible it says God gave man every seed bearing herb. Remember when God looked at what he created and said… “it is good” …?

A person doesn’t have to believe something is evil in order to think consuming it is a bad idea and/or wrong. God also made jimson weed and castor beans, but that doesn’t mean they’re good eating.

 

[Kush]

Mike, do not not glorify and appriciate the sun? and thank god for the gift? Do you not thank god for the beatiful world you live in? do you not thank god for the children in your life, for the love in your life?

Mike - Your thinking is dangerous, as you turn your back on amazing gifts given to you by god. In reality, you should never condem anything good on this plannet… its all been given to you as a gift form god. Why would you be against anything given to you by your creator?

Not at all.

Glorifying a drug because the plant from which it is derived was created by God…is utterly ridiculous and wildly ignorant.

 

[CopticChristian]

Can someone explain to me, why christians get so hung up over things like morality laws (i.e. prohabition, weed, and all that).

I don’t ever recall Jesus getting himself all hung up over what roman law was at the time? I kinda remember him being a rebel. He had no issues with alcholol (and in my opinion, he would have been quite fine with weed).

Why do churches still get wrapped up in “government laws”. Jesus taught us to look inside, not to the romans.

I personally am very happy weed is becoming legal. Now we just need to find a way to make tobaco illegal, and the world will be a better place.

PS: Weed does bring you closer to god… many who have never tried will disagree, but I’m sure some know what I’m talking about.

Peace

Kush,

This is CAF where Catholic points of view are expressed. Since you asked…we believe in a God…we believe God founded a Church and that Church has revealed truths…The Catechism is a summation of those truths and is dividied into a paradigm of thinking…

As Catholic Christians

We profess our Faith…we Believe, these are elements of the Creed
We live a Sacramental life based on what we believe
We model Christ, attempting to be Holy as God is Holy with help of God adhering to Moral Law
We pray and ask for help

So the morality is part of revealed truth, what we believe and how we believe we follow Christ…adhering to Moral law…

Does that answer your question?

 

[CopticChristian]

All I can say is you do not understand. You are right, weed is incredible for sex… and you can enjoy the flesh very immencly on it… I do - but always with my wife. We are both very spiritual.

At the same time, weed does not really open a door, or change anything. It simply enhances everything. So, in your example below, yes, it enhances joys of the flesh (aka sex, and passion). However, for some, it enhances taste (therefore, eating is incredible joy for them), others find they become one with the music, others find they become one with god. It has the ability to strip out what is false in your life, and allow you to connect with what Jesus refered to as “the kindgom”. He didn’t mean a real kingdom with a castel and a moat. He meant whats inside you. That is heven. He never said it was a place outside. He said it was in you. Cannabis by its nature can make those who choose to - dive deep within.

Why do you think so many people have said it has helped them, and made thier lives better…

Anyhow, my point was it can do many different things for many different people. We really should never tollerate a government that tells us what our morals should be. That should have only come from what we discover inside, and from the teachings of Jesus.

Peace

Kush,

Help me understand what it is you mean by Spritiual.

 

[CopticChristian]

Its not confusing. The truth is in everything. Religon is just one door that can show you some paths. Spirituality is another, I truly love the teachings of the buddhist - even John II was totally in awe with the dalai lama (he refered to him as the smartest man he has ever met).

If you truly want God, you need to open your eyes to all that is true. Only following one path will truly ensure you miss what you were meant to learn in this life.

Basically I’m saying what Jesus said. He did not label himself a “catholic, or a protistant, or an athiest”. He simply was, and was open to everything.

Kush,

Differentiate for me the difference between Religion and Spiritual with examples so I may understand.

 

[CopticChristian]

Hey Gary,

You are divine thought. I do not really understand your point though. I do agree with what you said, - the only morality which is relavant is Christ. So, saying so, Jesus once said " man will search high and low for the kingdom of God, but he will not find it… for what he does not know is that the kingdom is inside him". Yes, heaven is not out there… heaven is not a place you will reach one day… you are already there.

Jesus also said, you can do anything he has done, and greater things… Gary, if that does not prove to you that you are devine… I do not know what else will. You are god We are all god… there is simply no separation. And your thoughts are important, and you yourself are devine.

Peace my friend.

Kush,

You tell me what Jesus said. Who do you believe Jesus to be?

 

[MikeG85]

Mike, do not not glorify and appriciate the sun? and thank god for the gift? Do you not thank god for the beatiful world you live in? do you not thank god for the children in your life, for the love in your life?

Mike - Your thinking is dangerous, as you turn your back on amazing gifts given to you by god. In reality, you should never condem anything good on this plannet… its all been given to you as a gift form god. Why would you be against anything given to you by your creator?

AMEN

 

[Mickey]

Your thinking is dangerous,

I am sorry…but it is your thinking that is dangerous. The attempt to glorify a mind altering drug is…in my opinion…demonic.

as you turn your back on amazing gifts given to you by god.

I do not turn my back on God’s grace and mercy…I turn my back on recreational hallucinogenic drugs

 

[Kush]

See, thats the problem. You either follow Christ, or you follow mans idea of what morality is. you cannot do both.

Kush,

So the morality is part of revealed truth, what we believe and how we believe we follow Christ…adhering to Moral law…

Does that answer your question?

 

[Kush]

Spiritual, or spirituality is what Jesus teaches. You are in fact a spirit now. There really is nothing mortal about you. You are god. As Jesus said, the kingdom is inside you. As he also said, each of us can do what he did and greater things. Its not because you are a man… its because Jesus gave us lessons that taught us we are so much bigger than what we think. We all come from a source - some label as god, others label it as something else. In the end however, labels are meaningless, and nothing more than words. Spiritual is just a label depicting the lessons of Christ, the lessons of Buddha, the lessons of all our teachers.

Kush,

Help me understand what it is you mean by Spritiual.

 

[Kush]

does it matter? why do you need a label so badly?

Follow Christ my friend, and ditch the label. Jesus never said he was "catholic, he never
said he was religous, some say he was Jewish, but he never followed their traditions either.

He taught love, compassion, understanding, well… I don’t need to tell you what he taught. He was not anti-gay, he hung out with prostitues, desalates, the poor. He did not judge or need to label anyone.

I think your still following “mans” words… not a good thing. Simply follow him… it will take you to where you truly want to be.

Peace

Kush,

Differentiate for me the difference between Religion and Spiritual with examples so I may understand.

 

[Kush]

Jesus is a teacher. Weather he existed or not, what color he was, or even the fact that he was crusified is totally irelevant. Many people seem to miss the point…

btw - the original meaning of the word SIN is “to have missed the point”.

Listen to his teachings… forget the word of man (very bad idea), and follow what he said. Drop the obsession of his crusifiction (that will keep your mind where it does not belong), and instead embrace the love the wanted us too to have for each other. It hurts to see people follow him, and at the same time miss the point of it all. Mans church has killed his message. He message was very very simple.

Love everyone. Tollerate everyone, don’t judge anyone. That is the true way.

Kush,

You tell me what Jesus said. Who do you believe Jesus to be?