Drinking alcohol and smoking pot – what are your thoughts?

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Here’s my thought regarding pot:
(Sounds like a poem…)

I am unfortunate to live with two heavy smokers. (It was this or be homeless.) Smokers of both types. While I am in no way advocating the use or excessive use, of anything drug or drug like, I at least understand the goal, which is to get high, numb, whatever.
But with tobacco, what is the goal? I am also in no way unsympathetic to those who are addicted. I am in no way judging those who willfully took that first cigarette; it is a powerfully addictive ‘drug.’ But while one is high or imbibed, there is that fleeting sense of, well, high.
But with tobacco, there is no high, so what is the goal? If these two yahoos said anything like, “Man, I’d like to quit but I just can’t,” or “Where do I go? What do I do?” they would would have more of my sympathies than that which stems from addiction. But, no.
Not even 50 years of age and each have been smoking for 35+ years. I need no alarm clock; I wake up to two people hacking up lungs every morning. I can’t describe that further. Wouldn’t want to make someone here toss their cookies. It is quite disgusting. And for what? Again, no high. It’s not as if they are so high and thus unaware of their hacking. No one on this planet would willfully say, “Ah, hacking is the life.”
When they smoke the other stuff, it is worse!! 'cause, ya know, ya gotta hold it in. Good Gravy!! How you can you do that when all that smoking has turned the lungs into a tar pit??!!
Yes, there is a high for that one. But they are not so high that they cannot tell how ridiculous they look and sound while coughing their brains and lungs out. At what point does someone like this say, “Gee, that was disgusting. Maybe I should do something about it.” With alcohol, it might be, “Gee, don’t remember anything, maybe I should get help.” With drugs, well, we know that one. I just can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t get the clue of wretching every morning and actually thinking this is a good sign. They are 46 and 48; I doubt they’ll make to 50. For me, I cannot help but think how they are purposefully throwing their God given lives and bodies away. (They are confirmed atheists for whom I pray.) And again, I am not judging their initial decision to take up these habits; both are incredibly addictive. They chose that first decision; I know that that decision now controls them; I get that. Addiction is a disease that takes over. But, c’mon. When you are looking at your lungs every morning, what bigger clue do you need??
 
Here’s my thought regarding pot:
(Sounds like a poem…)

I am unfortunate to live with two heavy smokers. (It was this or be homeless.) Smokers of both types. While I am in no way advocating the use or excessive use, of anything drug or drug like, I at least understand the goal, which is to get high, numb, whatever.
But with tobacco, what is the goal? I am also in no way unsympathetic to those who are addicted. I am in no way judging those who willfully took that first cigarette; it is a powerfully addictive ‘drug.’ But while one is high or imbibed, there is that fleeting sense of, well, high.
But with tobacco, there is no high, so what is the goal? If these two yahoos said anything like, “Man, I’d like to quit but I just can’t,” or “Where do I go? What do I do?” they would would have more of my sympathies than that which stems from addiction. But, no.
Not even 50 years of age and each have been smoking for 35+ years. I need no alarm clock; I wake up to two people hacking up lungs every morning. I can’t describe that further. Wouldn’t want to make someone here toss their cookies. It is quite disgusting. And for what? Again, no high. It’s not as if they are so high and thus unaware of their hacking. No one on this planet would willfully say, “Ah, hacking is the life.”
When they smoke the other stuff, it is worse!! 'cause, ya know, ya gotta hold it in. Good Gravy!! How you can you do that when all that smoking has turned the lungs into a tar pit??!!
Yes, there is a high for that one. But they are not so high that they cannot tell how ridiculous they look and sound while coughing their brains and lungs out. At what point does someone like this say, “Gee, that was disgusting. Maybe I should do something about it.” With alcohol, it might be, “Gee, don’t remember anything, maybe I should get help.” With drugs, well, we know that one. I just can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t get the clue of wretching every morning and actually thinking this is a good sign. They are 46 and 48; I doubt they’ll make to 50. For me, I cannot help but think how they are purposefully throwing their God given lives and bodies away. (They are confirmed atheists for whom I pray.) And again, I am not judging their initial decision to take up these habits; both are incredibly addictive. They chose that first decision; I know that that decision now controls them; I get that. Addiction is a disease that takes over. But, c’mon. When you are looking at your lungs every morning, what bigger clue do you need??
Empan,

Addiction is not now or ever been a disease. It is a model that is touted by unsupported science.

People smoke cigarettes because rather than have highs and lows that we normally have with our moods…Nicotine prevents the low of mood swings so that the smoker never experiences mood alteration and is constantly in an up mood artificially produced by the Nicotine…and that is why they keep smoking…to prevent the low moods…
 
Empan,

Addiction is not now or ever been a disease. It is a model that is touted by unsupported science.

People smoke cigarettes because rather than have highs and lows that we normally have with our moods…Nicotine prevents the low of mood swings so that the smoker never experiences mood alteration and is constantly in an up mood artificially produced by the Nicotine…and that is why they keep smoking…to prevent the low moods…
I will politely disagree with your first thought, and defer to your better knowledge on the second. Thank you. But still, are you telling me that their addiction is so mind altering that wretching as they do - or me literally seeing drips of nicotine running down their bathrooms walls - is not of question to them because their smoking doesn’t allow to see a problem worse than their mood?
 
Empan,

Addiction is not now or ever been a disease. It is a model that is touted by unsupported science.

People smoke cigarettes because rather than have highs and lows that we normally have with our moods…Nicotine prevents the low of mood swings so that the smoker never experiences mood alteration and is constantly in an up mood artificially produced by the Nicotine…and that is why they keep smoking…to prevent the low moods…
I smoked cigarettes for 27 years. When trying to quit…I would go long periods without a cigatette. The next time I would have one…I would get extremely relaxed and a bit light-headed…it was very high-like. But if I did my usual one or two every hour…there was no noticeable buzz. I have been off cigarettes for more than six years. Quitting was the hardest thing I have ever done.
 
I will politely disagree with your first thought, and defer to your better knowledge on the second. Thank you. But still, are you telling me that their addiction is so mind altering that wretching as they do - or me literally seeing drips of nicotine running down their bathrooms walls - is not of question to them because their smoking doesn’t allow to see a problem worse than their mood?
Empan,

You should defer to my knowledge on both.🙂
 
Quitting was the hardest thing I have ever done.
I for one really appreciate that. It seems to me I have read repeatedly - and I could be wrong on which drug - that quitting tobacco is tougher than heroine?? If true, I can further appreciate how tough it is to quit. So kudos to you!!👍
 
I smoked cigarettes for 27 years. When trying to quit…I would go long periods without a cigatette. The next time I would have one…I would get extremely relaxed and a bit light-headed…it was very high-like. But if I did my usual one or two every hour…there was no noticeable buzz. I have been off cigarettes for more than six years. Quitting was the hardest thing I have ever done.
Mick,

Nicotine is one of the most addictive substance on the planet and people do quit. Not easy but it can be done. It is natural DDT and no animal eats it. Glad you got your health back.🙂
 
I for one really appreciate that. It seems to me I have read repeatedly - and I could be wrong on which drug - that quitting tobacco is tougher than heroine?? If true, I can further appreciate how tough it is to quit. So kudos to you!!👍
Empan,

Heroin addicts say Nicotine is harder to quit than heroin.
 
Mick,

Nicotine is one of the most addictive substance on the planet and people do quit. Not easy but it can be done. It is natural DDT and no animal eats it. Glad you got your health back.🙂
Thanks. And to tie this into the topic…cigarettes have powerful physical and psychological addictive properties. Although marijuana has not YET been shown to have powerful physical addictive properties (but I know it does), it has immense psychological addictive properties. So let’s think this oue out for a moment:

The government is moving toward the legalization of a drug for recreational use that:

Is a powerful psychotic.
Is psycholgically addictive (and most likely physically).
Destroys pulmonary function.
Induces anti-social behaviour, sloth, and gluttony.
Is a gateway to harder substances.
Disrupts brain activity and memory function.

But it will increase our tax base! Hmmmmm? :hmmm:
 
I asked first…
Empan,

I like chess, usually play black, love the sicilian defense, French Defense and the reason I play black is because if I lose, I was supposed to…so anyway here you go…this website below has all the reasons that addiction is not a disease…

soberforever.net/current_research.cfm

• The Baldwin Research Project of 1990
• Alcoholism is Not a Disease
• Treatment Doesn’t Work
• New York State OASAS Certified Treatment Programs
• Adolescent Treatment Research
• ‘Addiction and the Brain’
• Alcoholism is Not a Disease
• No Genetically or Biological Predisposition found in ‘Addictive’ Behaviours

A book, called Heavy Drinking, exposes the myth of the Disease and from that book comes the following, same as what you will find above…

The disease model was proposed by a guy named Jellinek…subsequently dispelled as untrue by even him and is referred to as Junk Science…
Jellinek’s highly influential articles were based on questionnaires completed by 98 male members of A.A. Of the 158 questionnaires returned, Jellinek had eliminated 60, ex¬cluding the data from some A.A. members who had pooled and averaged their answers on a single questionnaire because they shared their newsletter. Jellinek also excluded all ques¬tionnaires filled out by women because their answers differed greatly from the men’s. No wonder Jellinek spoke of the limi¬tations of the data. And no wonder his data conformed so closely to the A.A. model. Even in 1960, Jellinek acknowl¬edged the lack of any demonstrated scientific foundation for his proposals.
and what you don’t know can hurt you…the reason you are told it is a disease is to cause you to seek help…
Misleading the Public for Its Own Good
Another important influence on the public conduct of sci¬entists is the concern that revealing the bankruptcy of the classic disease concept might discourage heavy drinkers from seeking help. The essence of this rationale is that if chronic drinkers are told that there is no disease of alcoholism, they will see their drinking as a personal failing; out of guilt and shame, they will tend to hide or deny their problems. But however well-intentioned, this line of thinking can confuse the issue for the public. When scientists use the word disease in regard to alcoholism, the public naturally assumes that de¬cisive scientific evidence justifies the usage.
In technical publications unread by the general public, at least several scientists have discussed the social utility of clas¬sifying alcohol abuse as a disease:
In specific circumstances it may be desirable for sociocultural, legal, political, and therapeutic goals to label alcohol dependenceas a “disease,” perhaps especially at the time of acute physical symptomatology. At the same time the alcohol-dependent per¬son may appropriately be labeled as “sick.” Such circumstances should be carefully delineated and limited in application to spe¬cific situations.
To have persuaded society to shift a particular type of deviancy from the bad role to the sick role could . . . whatever the logic, whatever the science, prove to be an event of importance.
The decision as to when a syndrome is to be designated a disease is in large measure socially determined and must be congruent with wider cultural interests and habits.
Calling alcoholism a disease, rather than a behavior disorder, is a useful device both to persuade the alcoholic to admit his alco¬holism and to provide a ticket for admission into the health care system. I willingly concede, however, that alcohol dependence lies on a continuum and that in scientific terms behavior disorder will often be a happier semantic choice than disease.23
  1. The four sources quoted are Pattison, “The Selection of Treat¬
    ment Modalities for the Alcoholic Patient” (1985), 192; Edwards,
    “The Status of Alcoholism as a Disease” (1970), 161; Edwards et
    al., Alcohol-Related Disabilities (1977), 9; and Vaillant, The Natural
    History of Alcoholism (1983), 20.
Checkmate…👍
 
So let’s think this oue out for a moment:

The government is moving toward the legalization of a drug for recreational use that:

Is a powerful psychotic.
Is psycholgically addictive (and most likely physically).
Destroys pulmonary function.
Induces anti-social behaviour, sloth, and gluttony.
Is a gateway to harder substances.
Disrupts brain activity and memory function.
You are right on all counts. Same with alcohol. I do think alcohol is considerably worse, on so many levels, including the reasons you provided, regarding murjuana.
 
Thanks. And to tie this into the topic…cigarettes have powerful physical and psychological addictive properties. Although marijuana has not YET been shown to have powerful physical addictive properties (but I know it does), it has immense psychological addictive properties. So let’s think this oue out for a moment:

The government is moving toward the legalization of a drug for recreational use that:

Is a powerful psychotic.
Is psycholgically addictive (and most likely physically).
Destroys pulmonary function.
Induces anti-social behaviour, sloth, and gluttony.
Is a gateway to harder substances.
Disrupts brain activity and memory function.

**But it will increase our tax base! ** Hmmmmm? :hmmm:
Mick,

I saw the tail end of a TV program of what is happening in Colorado, with Marijuana and the Marijuana industry. 9 Billion dollars for the State of Colorado from the Marijuana industry…money seems to talk…🤷
 
Mick,

I saw the tail end of a TV program of what is happening in Colorado, with Marijuana and the Marijuan industry. 9 Billion dollars for the State of Colorado from the Marijuana industry…money seems to talk…🤷
Yes…in reality…the hippies think they have a victory…but the state does not care about their issues or their health. They just want the money.
 
Not really. One hit can get you intoxicated within seconds…and with most levels of THC out there today, you can get very high.

Alcohol takes many drinks to be intoxicated.

And then of course, I refer you back to the CCC.
That is a completely untrue. And what’s worse is you couldn’t put forth any evidence that it does other than “not really”.

All the people/friends that I have been around who’ve smoked pot ALL agree that it takes more than one hit to get you stoned. How high you get depends on how much you smoke and your tollerance.
I’m not just saying what I think, but what I see and hear from those that do. It’s a completely separate drug than alcohol. You can not compare being under the influence of marijuana to being under the influence of alcohol. There is vast difference between effects they have on one’s ability to reason.

Also tolerance is subjective. Just like somebody may not be intoxicated off of two rips,two beers in a row and I’m already rocking a strong body buzz. And I wouldn’t call two beers many drinks
 
Judaism’s restrictions on drugs of any kind are based solely on the prohibition against self-harm. Alcohol plays an important role in many Jewish rituals, so certainly temperance is not a Jewish virtue. Pot is a tricky issue, given that it is unclear how harmful it is.
 
The body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit so any activity the damages the body is a sin.

Drunkenness is a sin and causes people to behave sinfully.

An occasional drink is not a problem for a responsible person, however, drinking around the irresponsible or the young can be considered a sinful influence.

Smoking is a sin because is damages the body. Smoking is a slow form of suicide.
Any consistent tobacco use causes biological damage.

Marijuana damages the brain and leads to psychosis. Marijuana is very harmful to the lungs. Children shouldn’t be anywhere near marijuana.

Illegal drugs damage the body and brain.

Sin can be defined as an activity or decision that causes harm to oneself or to others.
Substance abuse seems to fit that model.
 
Another fun thread that seems to continue too. What is not done in faith is sin. :hey_bud:
 
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