Drinking alcohol and smoking pot – what are your thoughts?

[CopticChristian]

It’s like telling a black person you know what it’s like being black when you’re Asian, you just can’t understand the full scope of drug addiction if you have never been in that black hole. Even as a former drug addict it’s hard for me to relate to “tweekers” or AKA meth users because my drugs of choice are downers and in my youth hallucinogenic. They are two very different kinds of high, and the reasons for use of uppers is different than that of downers. Most tweekers are not diagnosed with depression but sever forms of ADHD and people who favor depressants tend to be diagnosed with sever forms of depression, Bipolar-Manic is what I was labeled as a teen then just sever bipolar with extreme SADD as I got older with slight manic tendencies. Someone who does not have this problem may be able to sympathize with me and diagnose me but truly understand and relate to me, will be very hard if not impossible to do.

It’s just harder to find a person whose life was destroyed by marijuana alone, unless they are dealing it and get popped for felony intent.

Well in both the rehabs I was in the counselors where former users, because it’s just easier to relate to a former addict who knows what you’re going though because they have been there too. One of the facilities was based on the 12 step principal, but I was giving meds in both places.

Manic,

You focus on the drug use and not the underlying problem. People use things for different reasons and those reasons are common to humanity.

People are people regardless of color. Those that self medicate are people that have problems and medicate.

Diabetics don’t seek help from failing diabetics that don’t know how to handle their diabetes.

Cancer patients don’t seek help from physicians struggling with Cancer.

Schizophrenics don’t help Schizophrenics.

Do you align yourself with the theory of the disease model where addiction is touted to be a disease?

 

[Mickey]

My father has been an alcoholic for over 40 years and he never abused any other drug than alcohol, and that goes for many of the alcoholics I know.

Alcohol can be abused…as can any drug. That is not what this thread is about. This thread is about the tragedy of leglaizing a drug for recreational use… a drug which has been shown to be a gateway to harder drugs…a drug which does damage to the lungs and to the brain…a drug which Satan uses to open the door to the passions of gluttony and sloth.

Alcohol can be used in moderation…pot cannot. That is what this thread is about.

 

[joe370]

Alcohol can be abused…as can any drug. That is not what this thread is about. This thread is about the tragedy of leglaizing a drug for recreational use… a drug which has been shown to be a gateway to harder drugs…a drug which does damage to the lungs and to the brain…a drug which Satan uses to open the door to the passions of gluttony and sloth.

Alcohol can be used in moderation…pot cannot. That is what this thread is about.

I agree that many folks can use alcohol and pot in moderation. However, both can be abused. Regarding your comment on alcohol being used in moderation: Tell that to all of the people out there aggressively battling alcoholism, including myself at one time… They are both equally bad depending on one’s dependency…

 

[CopticChristian]

I agree that many folks can use alcohol and pot in moderation. However, both can be abused. Regarding your comment on alcohol being used in moderation: Tell that to all of the people out there aggressively battling alcoholism, including myself at one time… They are both equally bad depending on one’s dependency…

Joe,

This is poignant. The individual not the substance is the problem in terms of moderation or excess.

The thread is about thoughts on drinking alcohol and smoking pot.

Alcohol is legal. Some don’t drink, some do drink, some can drink moderately and some drink excessively. Some drink excessively and disregard reality.

Pot is illegal based on Federal Statutes. Some do not use pot. Some do use pot. Some use pot excessively and there are some that use pot and disregard reality.

One is legal based on Federal Statutes and the other is illegal based on Federal statutes.

 

[joe370]

Joe,

This is poignant. The individual not the substance is the problem in terms of moderation or excess.

The thread is about thoughts on drinking alcohol and smoking pot.

Alcohol is legal. Some don’t drink, some do drink, some can drink moderately and some drink excessively. Some drink excessively and disregard reality.

Pot is illegal based on Federal Statutes. Some do not use pot. Some do use pot. Some use pot excessively and there are some that use pot and disregard reality.

One is legal based on Federal Statutes and the other is illegal based on Federal statutes.

BTW, marijuana, as I am sure you know, is actually legal in certain states, for medicinal reasons.

 

[CopticChristian]

BTW, marijuana, as I am sure you know, is actually legal in certain states, for medicinal reasons.

Joe,

As you know, BTW, Federal Statutes remain unchanged regardless of what States do and it remains a crime to posess, sell or use base on Federal Statutes and if convicted it could cause you to lose your job, get a DUI, lose student loans all based on Federal Statutes.

BTW all of this nonsense about drugs commenced with the Harrison Act and regardless of the nonsense it is what it is.

 

[joe370]

Joe,

As you know, BTW, Federal Statutes remain unchanged regardless of what States do and it remains a crime to posess, sell or use base on Federal Statutes and if convicted it could cause you to lose your job, get a DUI, lose student loans all based on Federal Statutes.

BTW all of this nonsense about drugs commenced with the Harrison Act and regardless of the nonsense it is what it is.

The world would be a better place without alcohol and drugs IMHO.

 

[CopticChristian]

The world would be a better place without alcohol and drugs IMHO.

Joe,

That world exists for those that choose not to drink and use drugs, IMHO…your reality is created by your view of the world.

 

[joe370]

Joe,

That world exists for those that choose not to drink and use drugs, IMHO…your reality is created by your view of the world.

 

[ManicFaze]

Alcohol can be abused…as can any drug. That is not what this thread is about. This thread is about the tragedy of leglaizing a drug for recreational use… a drug which has been shown to be a gateway to harder drugs…a drug which does damage to the lungs and to the brain…a drug which Satan uses to open the door to the passions of gluttony and sloth.

Alcohol can be used in moderation…pot cannot. That is what this thread is about.

No, the real tragedy is that people don’t want to admit that alcohol is a more accessible gateway drug. I know allot of people who are daily marijuana smoker that function just as well as a teetotaler, and alcoholics who beat their families when they have just one too many to drink, but are able to function in a job and proved for their family so their drinking is looked at as a way to relief stress. I never beat and cussed out anyone when I took a few rips off a bong, but have had plates thrown at me and cussed out 10 ways to Sunday in front of friends when my Dad got home after a long day at work and a few drinks in him; I have looked Satan in his red eyes when my Father had one too many to drink, so preach you moderation of alcohol to my Dad for me. I just hate to see one drug being demonized over another when both can be just as harmful. If you remember at one time people felt the same what about alcohol, a little thing call prohibition almost 80 years ago that changed a whole generation and fueled the mafia to the top of the world, just like the prohibition of drugs now is doing for Mexican drug cartels today.

 

[Mickey]

I agree that many folks can use alcohol and pot in moderation.

Pot cannot be used in moderation. It is not possible.

 

[Mickey]

No, the real tragedy is that people don’t want to admit that alcohol is a more accessible gateway drug.

Evidence please?

I know allot of people who are daily marijuana smoker that function just as well as a teetotaler,

If they are getting high every day they are addicts and destroying their health and their minds.

and alcoholics who beat their families when they have just one too many to drink,

That is called being drunk…and it is a sin…and of course so is beating your family.

I never beat and cussed out anyone when I took a few rips off a bong,

It is still sinful. Read your CCC.

I have looked Satan in his red eyes when my Father had one too many to drink

Satan can appear in many different forms…sometimes very subtle.

so preach you moderation of alcohol to my Dad for me.

If your dad is drunk…throwing plates…and beating people…it certainly is not moderation. And I am not preaching anything to you.

I just hate to see one drug being demonized over another when both can be just as harmful.

Alcohol is not considered to be a drug…and can be consumed in moderation. Pot is a drug and cannot be consumed in moderation. High is high.

 

[joe370]

Pot cannot be used in moderation. It is not possible.

I am allergic to marijuana so I wouldn’t know.

 

[Mickey]

I am allergic to marijuana so I wouldn’t know.

That’s a blessing for you.

 

[CopticChristian]

No, the real tragedy is that people don’t want to admit that alcohol is a more accessible gateway drug. I know allot of people who are daily marijuana smoker that function just as well as a teetotaler, and alcoholics who beat their families when they have just one too many to drink, but are able to function in a job and proved for their family so their drinking is looked at as a way to relief stress. I never beat and cussed out anyone when I took a few rips off a bong, but have had plates thrown at me and cussed out 10 ways to Sunday in front of friends when my Dad got home after a long day at work and a few drinks in him; I have looked Satan in his red eyes when my Father had one too many to drink, so preach you moderation of alcohol to my Dad for me. I just hate to see one drug being demonized over another when both can be just as harmful. If you remember at one time people felt the same what about alcohol, a little thing call prohibition almost 80 years ago that changed a whole generation and fueled the mafia to the top of the world, just like the prohibition of drugs now is doing for Mexican drug cartels today.

MF,

With all due respect, the removal of inhibitions by whatever drug is not the problem of the drug but the person whose inhibitions are removed.

People drink and go to sleep.
People drink and take their clothes off.
People drink and get violent.

It is not the drink but the person and the underlying, sorry to say, Pathology that is what is the problem that the drink/drug unmasks…

 

[Mickey]

MF,

With all due respect, the removal of inhibitions by whatever drug is not the problem of the drug but the person whose inhibitions are removed.

People drink and go to sleep.
People drink and take their clothes off.
People drink and get violent.

It is not the drink but the person and the underlying, sorry to say, Pathology that is what is the problem that the drink/drug unmasks…

Ah yes…you explained it better than I.

 

[joe370]

MF,

With all due respect, the removal of inhibitions by whatever drug is not the problem of the drug but the person whose inhibitions are removed.

People drink and go to sleep.
People drink and take their clothes off.
People drink and get violent.

It is not the drink but the person and the underlying, sorry to say, Pathology that is what is the problem that the drink/drug unmasks…

 

[empantarhei]

Pot cannot be used in moderation. It is not possible.

It is possible, as in feasible. But it is a rare person that can keep it that way. Not an activity to take for granted as such, that’s for sure. Hate to sound like an old -word that rhymes with smart!- but there’s a reason it is called dope. Man I HATE the laziness it produces in people.I see kids acting stupid on it -ya know, the ones who can’t use it in moderation-and all I can think of is “Great…the Future of America.” Yikes…

 

[joe370]

It is possible, as in feasible. But it is a rare person that can keep it that way. Not an activity to take for granted as such, that’s for sure. Hate to sound like an old -word that rhymes with smart!- but there’s a reason it is called dope. Man I HATE the laziness it produces in people.I see kids acting stupid on it -ya know, the ones who can’t use it in moderation-and all I can think of is “Great…the Future of America.” Yikes…

Agreed. Pain killers are in vogue now, and it too has the same effect.

 

[arthra]

I’ve been to various Protestant churches…some discourage drinking, others prohibit it, and still others have no problem with it. I believe Catholics drink just like me. Since marijuana is now legal in Washington and Colorado, and medical marijuana is legal in many states, what do you believe about drinking and smoking pot?

Being a Baha’i alcohol is forbidden for me… If a doctor prescribes a medicine with alcohol we can take it… Marijuana is likewise forbidden for Baha’is.