Due to so much confusion in the Catholic Church, my friends have joined the SSPX group

[catholic03]

“Due to so much confusion in the Catholic Church, my friends have joined the SSPX”

probably got it confused with SSPV

Or possibly claim to be part of SSPX but other SSPX would disagree?

Or the offshoot group SSPX Resistance, which is indeed sedevecantist and definitely schismatic.

I was always under the impression that SSPX is not in communion with the Pope and their sacraments are invalid.

Whatever their stance on liturgical changes they are not outside the church if they are SSPX.

SSPX is not sedevacantist.

This screams Sedevacantists to me.

Don’t worry, there’s absolutely no confusion about the SSPX!

 

[Fauken]

Don’t worry, there’s absolutely no confusion about the SSPX!

I don’t see how mixing them up with another group means there’s confusion with the SSPX. The SSPX are not sedevacantist. That is a fact. It is a common misunderstanding, along with the idea that their Sacraments are invalid.

 

[catholic03]

I know it isn’t sedevacantist. I was just showing the many different opinions of CAF members about the society to show that the whole topic is so confusing I usually just stay out of it.

 

[Aquinas11]

Due to so much confusion in the Catholic Church, my friends have joined the SSPX group.

Don’t worry, there’s absolutely no confusion about the SSPX!

I believe he was discussing confusion in the Catholic Church, not SSPX

 

[whatistrue]

The point was confusion about SSPX, not in SSPX.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

Which SSPX sacraments would you call illicit?

Their holy orders are now not only valid, but entirely licit:

News Headlines | Catholic Culture

You correctly note the SSPX situation regarding marriage. These are the rules presently in force regarding SSPX marriages:

Pope approves provisions to recognize marriages of SSPX faithful

Continuing initiatives aimed at a reconciliation with the Priestly Society of St. Pius X, Pope Francis has made it possible for bishops to ensure the validity of marriages celebrated in the traditionalist communities.

www.ncronline.org

I would normally not use the National Catholic Reporter as a source, but this article simply contains factual information without commentary. It’s merely a news story.

NCR does some good social justice reporting and commentary, but they are not always faithful to the magisterium, and I can’t recommend them as a Catholic news source.

Also:

https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2...-paves-way-for-recognition-of-sspx-marriages/

 

[po18guy]

Welcome! But, what confusion?

In any event, the solution is not schism!

 

[Wampa]

I was always under the impression that SSPX is not in communion with the Pope and their sacraments are invalid.

Here is a link from Church Militant
https://www.churchmilitant.com/main/generic/sspx

Based on the Church Militant video about the SSPX I watched earlier this year (I can’t remember which one, but it was a roundtable with 4 of the main CM people all contributing), I would call CM an unreliable source of information re SSPX. In the video I watched, much of the info was either a highly hyberbolic angle on a disputed point, or just flat-out incorrect.

 

[Wampa]

@Paulfdesouza, the circumstances you’ve described do sound more extreme for SSPX than I’d expect. Like @GordonP, I wonder if you’re dealing with the offshoot group SSPX Resistance, which broke away from SSPX over the Society’s continued dialogue with the Vatican.

 

[fedup19]

I feel that is very wrong, not going to Mass

even though I do agree more w/ SSPX than novus ordo folks

 

[fedup19]

Front Page Featured | MRCTV

cnsnews.com

was wondering if you could post this since I am not worthy to post new topics, I guess…

been here a few days, still can’t do that. Don’t get it

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

Extended indefinitely

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

Because people who don’t know any better keep saying things that are incorrect. Such as they are sedevacantists when they aren’t, schismatic when they aren’t, don’t have faculties that Rome has actually given them, etc., etc. These people may mean well but they should learn the truth rather than mislead people.

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

Those rules apply to any religious order priest as well if I understood Fr. Hardon correctly.

NCR does some good social justice reporting and commentary, but they are not always faithful to the magisterium, and I can’t recommend them as a Catholic news source.

Probably should put catholic in quotes when citing them since they’ve been told to stop saying they’re catholic.

 

[JSRG]

whatistrue:

Or possibly claim to be part of SSPX but other SSPX would disagree?

Or the offshoot group SSPX Resistance, which is indeed sedevecantist and definitely schismatic.

SSPX Resistance isn’t sedevacantist either, but in my experience they can come so close that it’s hard to tell the difference.

 

[GiftofMercy]

They are still Catholic. It is only the Priests who belong to the SSPX, not the laity.

 

[Dovekin]

I would normally not use the National Catholic Reporter as a source, but this article simply contains factual information without commentary. It’s merely a news story.

The article you cited is from Catholic News Service, though it was printed in NCR. CNS is a news organization that provides news about Catholic topics to newspapers and other organizations to reprint, like Associated Press and Reuters provide stories to newspapers.

Having siad that, I will say that with the advent of Pope Francis, NCReporter seems more faithful to the magisterium than NCRegister with its talk of filial corrections, etc. And it is certainly more faithful than Church Militant or LifeSite News, who miss no opportunity to attack the Pope.

 

[Margaret_Ann]

They’re still Catholic. Technically, only clergy and religious can be members of the SSPX.

 

[commenter]

It is only the Priests who belong to the SSPX, not the laity.

Officially, that is correct. Theoretically all laity who happen to show up at SSPX chapels on a given Sunday, even those who attend or teach at SSPX schools, “belong” to a parish somewhere else, with a pastor and bishop Ordinary. At SSPX they officially are just visitors for that Mass.

Of course, some argue that many laity are not being told by SSPX to remain loyal to their diocesan parish or bishop…that SSPX chapels are functioning as parishes…that many SSPX laity now have no current connection to any parish or diocese…that children are bring brought up in SSPX.

If SSPX acknowledged they do have their own laity, they would be labelled in schism.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

NCR does some good social justice reporting and commentary, but they are not always faithful to the magisterium, and I can’t recommend them as a Catholic news source.

I carry no water for the NCReporter. In times past they were opposed to the magisterium, regarding Humanae vitae and other matters. I do not read it enough to know if they have changed their editorial tendencies since then.

Who told them to quit calling themselves “Catholic”? And what were the repercussions of not obeying these instructions? They could always call themselves the “National Reporter” with the tagline “serving Catholics”, similar to Church Militant. Or perhaps the tagline “serving the Catholic Church and all of God’s people”. Some publications do not have overtly Catholic names — Our Sunday Visitor, The Tablet, The Wanderer, and so on. And many diocesan newspapers have names that sound like secular dailies.

Having said that, I will say that with the advent of Pope Francis, NCReporter seems more faithful to the magisterium than NCRegister with its talk of filial corrections, etc. And it is certainly more faithful than Church Militant or LifeSite News, who miss no opportunity to attack the Pope.

Being “faithful to the magisterium” also means adhering to Humanae vitae, Pope Benedict’s encyclical Dominus Jesus (which reaffirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus), the whole ball of wax. Has NCReporter changed to be more observant of magisterial teachings? Even Pope Francis reaffirmed Humanae vitae not long ago.