Due to so much confusion in the Catholic Church, my friends have joined the SSPX group

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Bataar said:
I can’t blame you for going the SSPX route. I’ve gone one step further and am nearly sedevacantist myself. SSPX is not sedevacantist at all.
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I don’t blame those who go that route.
 
Dovekin said:
Being “faithful to the magisterium” also means adhering to Humanae vitae , Pope Benedict’s encyclical Dominus Jesus (which reaffirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ), the whole ball of wax.
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To the extent that AL and LS reiterate Catholic teaching, yes, and I know of nothing in either document that strictly contradicts that teaching. Some bishops and cardinals have asked for clarification on AL. That’s their prerogative, if not their responsibility. St Paul rebuked Peter.

If I am not mistaken, the big brou-ha-ha regarding AL was whether Francis would allow divorced and remarried (without annulment) couples to receive the Eucharist. That didn’t happen. Some hoped it would, but it didn’t, the same way that many hoped Paul VI would change Catholic teaching to allow contraception. That didn’t happen either.

I look to the entire two-thousand-year history of the Church, not just to what the most recent occupant of the See of Peter at a given moment says and how he says it, or what he emphasizes and how he emphasizes it. I have observed this “recentism” beginning with the papacy of John Paul II — if I had to guess, it was a reaction to the widespread dissent from Humanae vitae (let’s face it, this was a “wedge issue” if there ever was one), faithful Catholics becoming “uber-papists” in their desire to defend the Faith against dissent.

I am faithful to the magisterium and all that it has taught for the past 2000 years.
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Like the Novus Ordo Mass and the FSSP’s TLM (which split from the SSPX), the SSPX names Pope “Francis” in the Canon of the Mass. That fact assures the SSPX’s communion with the Pope and therefore, the Roman Catholic Church. Sedevacantists (chair-empty) do not recognize Francis as a valid pope, yet they DO believe in the office (seat) of the Roman Pontiff … they simply view the seat as empty … the current occupant, a false-Pope. . . .
 
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phil3 said:
I can respectfully disagree but to adhere to something that I believe is sinful I will not.
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And you should not.
This is the “have a clearly formed conscience” argument. It is as true now as it was 50 years ago.

But it does not allow for the disrespect you describe:
phil3 said:
I seldom go to mass because of modernism in the church. I can’t remember the last time I went to communion, maybe 7 years ago. I don’t miss it and I don’t think I am condemning my soul to hell. I think God is crying over what progressives have done to the church. After this latest synod he is going to be really upset with the leaders. In the past 60 years, the church leaders have a track record of doing much more wrong than right.
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Sometimes you have to hold many ideas together even though they do not fit together easily. You shouldn’t let then keep you from Christ. Other people face difficulties like yours, and you should feel compassion for them, not condemnation.

I recommend you read Paul VI’s Ecclesiam Suam. This has his truly important moral teaching, on dialogue and humility.
 
Wampa said:
I wonder if you’re dealing with the offshoot group SSPX Resistance, which broke away from SSPX over the Society’s continued dialogue with the Vatican.
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No they are the SSPX and not an offshoot like I said before, I am on the WhatsApp group so I know they are “The SSPX group”
 
Paulfdesouza said:
Due to so much confusion in the Catholic Church, my friends have joined the SSPX group.
(Society of Saint Pius X)
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As fars as I am aware, only priests can actually join the SSPX. Lay people can sympathize, support and attend their masses. But that’s not the same as being a member.
 
Paulfdesouza said:
…the link […] was very informative, and clears my mind of the doubts I had.
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A lot of movement on that front since Pope Benedict’s time. Pope Francis granted the SSPX jurisdiction to hear confessions in 2016 and he gave the local ordinary the choice of letting the SSPX witness marriages. So it’s definitely no longer true that SSPX priests exercise no legitimate ministry in the Church.
 
I have another question, to all those who have in the above comments stated that SSPX group are in communion with the R.C. Church and my question is:

If there are Catholic churches in the vicinity, and if the SSPX are in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, why don’t the SSPX priests approach the local Bishop and have TLM in the church, for the benefit of all the laity, but celebrate they rather TLM in an apartment, and secondly please explain
Why do the people who follow SSPX do not send their children to the local parish for learning catechism, and why do they receive 1st Holy Communion in the house, but not in the local R.C. Church.
 
Paulfdesouza said:
…why don’t the SSPX priests approach the local Bishop and have TLM in the church, for the benefit of all the laity, but celebrate they rather TLM in an apartment…
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The SSPX are not always on good terms with the local ordinary, and a lot of the time they unfortunately assume bad faith. This is, if you ask me, as much a political issue as it is ecclesiastical. So, even if the SSPX is not in schism, if the local Bishop thinks otherwise, it makes no sense for him to lend out his churches to the SSPX. This means that some places the SSPX go they are in direct opposition to the wish of the local ordinary.
It’s one of the reasons the Pope’s allowance for marriage in the SSPX is a really good thing. Even if the SSPX claims to have always had the jurisdiction supplied anyway, the fact that they can get ordinary jurisdiction.
Paulfdesouza said:
Why do the people who follow SSPX do not send their children to the local parish for learning catechism
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Have you ever been to a parish catechism class? I used to help out at one, and the class starts out so basic, and some places the education is so orthodox. I would rather send my kids to a class where I knew they’d get their horisons widened and get good, tradional, orthodox Catholic teaching.
Paulfdesouza said:
why do they receive 1st Holy Communion in the house, but not in the local R.C. Church
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I guess that’s just about where you feel at home. It’s obvious if the local Church only offers the Novus Ordo, otherwise it might just be where they go to Mass more often.
 
Well where I live all Parishioners are registered, with the church, and all Parishioners are supposed to send their children to atten Catechism classes, and that to on a regular basis, unless there is an issue, attendence is taken at every class.
In our church itself every year there are a total of 500 children of the English community who receive 1st Holy Communion.
Additionally the Arabic community have another 50 or so kids who receive 1st Holy Communion every year.
And another of the
 
The catechism teachers have to do a 1 years course and then another year of training as an assistant teacher and observer, before they can teach, besides the have to complete various Dayton courses to help them in their own understanding of The Catholic faith and it’s traditions.
 
Paulfdesouza said:
I have another question, to all those who have in the above comments stated that SSPX group are in communion with the R.C. Church and my question is:

If there are Catholic churches in the vicinity, and if the SSPX are in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, why don’t the SSPX priests approach the local Bishop and have TLM in the church, for the benefit of all the laity, but celebrate they rather TLM in an apartment, and secondly please explain
Why do the people who follow SSPX do not send their children to the local parish for learning catechism, and why do they receive 1st Holy Communion in the house, but not in the local R.C. Church.
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My local branch of the SSPX definitely do not meet in somebody’s appartment but have a passably nice church building. I think it was a protestant church of some denomination that was closed and that they were able to buy. They are gradually refitting the interior to make it feel more Catholic.
 
Paulfdesouza said:
The catechism teachers have to do a 1 years course and then another year of training as an assistant teacher and observer, before they can teach, besides the have to complete various Dayton courses to help them in their own understanding of The Catholic faith and it’s traditions.
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Well, that’s certainly not the case everywhere.
Paulfdesouza said:
Well where I live all Parishioners are registered, with the church, and all Parishioners are supposed to send their children to atten Catechism classes, and that to on a regular basis, unless there is an issue, attendence is taken at every class.
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Sure, but that all depends on where you’re registered. Where I live, all parents get a note, that if you want your kid to receive 1st Communion this year, you must sign them up. If the parents don’t, or if they sign the kids up elsewhere, the parish is none the wiser.
 
Cirdan_XII said:
only priests can actually join the SSPX. Lay people can sympathize, support and attend their masses. But that’s not the same as being a member.
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There’s a difference between official membership, and de facto membership in SSPX.

Years ago all the laity still had some kind of parish connection. Today some of the younger generation grew up in SSPX. Some attended only SSPX for parochial school or religious education. There is no other parish.
 
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I think everyone missed the part where the OP said he lives in an Islamic country and attends the largest parish in the world. He has a special circumstance, not like in North America or Europe.
 
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