Eastern Rite and Pope Benedict XIV

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Isa_Almisry said:
It’s your Vatican which says we have some special status among those who don’t fit its definition of Catholic, to the point of giving us communion (without asking us, of course). We’re keeping the dialogue honest when the **Vatican makes pronouncements of the “Two Lungs.” **
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The two lungs analogy was reffering to Eastern Catholics. At least when I read the quote thats what I got out of it.
 
Formosus said:
The two lungs analogy was reffering to Eastern Catholics. At least when I read the quote thats what I got out of it.
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Yes, I am aware of that. We keep an eye on how healthy that lung is when the Western Vatican comes talking to us about “reunion.”
 
Hesychios said:
I am not surprised, since I have been posting here since 2004. Would you like to provide a link? I am curious. 🙂 I am sure everyone else here is curious too.
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I think I remember a thread that went on and on over at the Eastern Orthodox forum that you regularly post on. It was all about how bad it was over here for the Eastern Orthodox and how some of you were gonna stick it out and how you were going to respond over here.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
Yes, and that’s the only reason why we don’t take you all up on the invitation to your communion.:rolleyes:

When there are no restrictions on married priests serving in the “diaspora,” then it will be past. Not until.

And sorry if our insistence on Apostolic practice seems “angry” to you.

As we say the ORIGINAL Creed till this day, we believe in the One, Holy, Catholic and APOSTOLIC Church.
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You know very well, that in the atmosphere of ecumenism today, that the Catholic Chruch would allow you a married clergy.
Also, you don NOT say the original Creed. If you remember the original creed was composed at Nicea. Then it was altered by the addition of certain clarifications at Constantinople. This whole “We have the original Creed” thing is just not true.
 
East_and_West said:
You know very well, that in the atmosphere of ecumenism today, that the Catholic Chruch would allow you a married clergy.
Also, you don NOT say the original Creed. If you remember the original creed was composed at Nicea. Then it was altered by the addition of certain clarifications at Constantinople. This whole “We have the original Creed” thing is just not true.
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Isn’t it most technically the Nicene-Constantinopolean Creed shortened to Nicene Creed. The early church councils used creedal formula’s to define the faith, and it was at Constantinople that the Church made the final definition of face through the creed.

Also, we could take the regressive approach back even further and say that the Apostle’s creed is more original. 😉

It’s all not true! Derrida wins!!! JK

God Bless,
R.
 
Allyson said:
Isn’t it most technically the Nicene-Constantinopolean Creed shortened to Nicene Creed. The early church councils used creedal formula’s to define the faith, and it was at Constantinople that the Church made the final definition of face through the creed.

Also, we could take the regressive approach back even further and say that the Apostle’s creed is more original. 😉

It’s all not true! Derrida wins!!! JK

God Bless,
R.
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My point is that the creed was altered and Changed at Constantinople. In fact, information about the Holy Spirit was was added at Constantinople.
BTW, very witty post.
 
But the Pope can judge things regarding science also.

**Just ask Galileo.

Seriously, I think you’re taking Papal infallibility beyond what Vatican 1 taught.**
 
bpbasilphx said:
But the Pope can judge things regarding science also.

**Just ask Galileo.

Seriously, I think you’re taking Papal infallibility beyond what Vatican 1 taught.**
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Actually, that was a matter of faith. Galileo said that sun does not moving, thereby contradicting what the book of Joshua says. The Church was right, scientifically, but that was only accidental to asserting that Scripture is inerrant, even if we don’t fully understand it.
 
This is a problem of egalitarianism.
People hate to admit that something is superior to another.

The Latin Rite is superior, but that does not mean undermine the others.
 
Pro_Domina said:
This is a problem of egalitarianism.
People hate to admit that something is superior to another.

The Latin Rite is superior, but that does not mean undermine the others.
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Shlom lekh,

I hope you’re joking. If not, could you elaborate on this? This shows a distinct problem with the Latins, considering that they see their Church as a ritual, rather than a Church in communion with other autonomous Churches. That is what “rite” means, afterall.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew
 
Pro_Domina said:
This is a problem of egalitarianism.
People hate to admit that something is superior to another.

The Latin Rite is superior, but that does not mean undermine the others.
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I agree on your first point, somethings are superior to others. Such as the Church’s view declared at an Ecumenical Council, is superior to your fallible human opinion

"3. These individual Churches, whether of the East or the West, although they differ somewhat among themselves in rite (to use the current phrase), that is, in liturgy, ecclesiastical discipline, and spiritual heritage, are, nevertheless, each as much as the others, entrusted to the pastoral government of the Roman Pontiff, the divinely appointed successor of St. Peter in primacy over the universal Church. **They are consequently of equal dignity, so that none of them is superior to the others as regards rite **and they enjoy the same rights and are under the same obligations, also in respect of preaching the Gospel to the whole world (cf. Mark 16, 15) under the guidance of the Roman Pontiff. "
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_orientalium-ecclesiarum_en.html
 
“…as regards rite…”

So it can still be inferior in a way. There are only three beings that are truly equal to each other.

Everything else is hierarchical.
 
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“…as regards rite…”

So it can still be inferior in a way. **

**** W * R * O * N * G * !!!*

The Eastern Churches are inferior in NOTHING AT ALL!

As long as Latins persist in the attitude that the Latin Church is intrisically superior, so long will the Eastern Churches be uninterested in reconciliation.**
 
So, could you please so kindly inform us ignorant easterners why the latin rite is superior.
 
Pro_Domina said:
“…as regards rite…”

So it can still be inferior in a way. There are only three beings that are truly equal to each other.

Everything else is hierarchical.
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And ditto to Basil’s comment above.

ProDomina, Please do explain yourself.

God Bless,
R.
 
They are consequently of equal dignity,

What part of “equal” do you not understand?
 
ASimpleSinner said:
Yes, reading the entire document rather than speculating and responding to a cherry-picked passage that out of context was remarkably provacative… Well it ends up being a very different experience painting a very different picture.

One wonders how committed some are to actually doing all the due dilligence before flying into a discussion with both fists a flyin’.

Something for us all to think and pray about, I suppose.
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As usual thanks for your participation in the thread for clearing things up Simple Sinner. (As a Catholic seeker) I was pretty worried for a while reading this last night. It could have been a deal breaker…!

🙂
 
There is a phrase that limits the equal at the end of the sentence.

It is the same as saying that all men are created equal. In a sense it is true, all men require certain dignity. But God does not studder, He has never created anything equal. Everything is hierchical. I am not saying that the other rites must be treated inferior or that the Latin Rite should be boastful. I am saying that there is an obvious superiority. Without counting details, isn’t the Mother of God superior to other mothers? Sure she is a mother like every mother is a mother, equal in that she is a mother. But the fact that she is THE MOTHER OF GOD, it makes her superior for that very fact. The Latin Rite is the mother rite of the whole church. And what is pure pride is that tendentious attititude of minimalizing the fact they are in submission to the Roman Pontiff and that the Church is overwhemingly Roman!

That is like not sinning but wanting to. Oh I am in communion with the Pope, but you sure hate the fact that the West is the head.
 
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