EDITED: New translation used in any musical settings at Mass yet?

[liturgyluver]

The new text - including the new settings - have been used in the UK since the beginning of September. Sometimes the simple chants are used, and in other cases new musical settings. I agree with the previous poster that the Gloria (particulalry the opening line) seems to be difficult to set to music succcessfully, and sounds rather clumsy (the “peace to people of goodwill” bit!) Our local parish uses the Lourdes responsorial Gloria (with the main text being sung by the cantor). The Sanctus seems to be much easier to get to grips with.

 

[DaveBj]

We’ve been using a new Gloria that is rewritten version of an old Gloria that we were using. It’s not all that different. I didn’t like it before, and I don’t care for it now; it’s very modern and folky, even if it is played on the organ.

 

[Phemie]

In Canada that option wasn’t there until the 25th of September and only in those dioceses where the bishop allowed it. AFAIK, our bishop hasn’t spoken on this.

This weekend I was at a conference in another province/diocese and attended Mass. That parish is rehearsing the Dawson setting and will start to use it by mid October, progressing to the full setting by the 27th of November. The Dawson Gloria is a responsorial one and sounds odd. It’s as though he changed his mind in certain spots or he’s compensating for missing or added words. Not nice to sing at all.

 

[FAB]

My parish started using the revised sung parts in the mass in September, We have had bulletin inserts for the past eight weeks, and have held a couple of seminars, that have not been well attended on the changes.
As liturgy director of my parish, I have gotten very little feedback and almost no interest in the changes or their reasons.
Either people aren’t paying attention or just do not care or are just accepting it as part of the life of the Church.

 

[Corki]

We aren’t using the new translation in the sung parts yet. I doubt we will, even after the First Sunday of Advent. Our music leader is fond of several versions that don’t even follow the words of the current translation so I don’t see her changing just because the translation changes.

On the other hand, I heard someone ask Father why we weren’t since the Bishop ok’d it. There is hope.

 

[jwinch2]

My parish started using the revised sung parts in the mass in September, We have had bulletin inserts for the past eight weeks, and have held a couple of seminars, that have not been well attended on the changes.
As liturgy director of my parish, I have gotten very little feedback and almost no interest in the changes or their reasons.
Either people aren’t paying attention or just do not care or are just accepting it as part of the life of the Church.

There are tons of resources outside the church that people have access as well. There have been CD’s for sale and free handouts in our parish for months. There are tons of online resources, shows on EWTN, and various Catholic Radio outlets, etc.

You are likely right that many don’t care or are just accepting it, but there are probably quite a few as well who just found something and did it on their own. My wife and I fall into that category. We bought a CD and read a book on the changes. Then, we wen’t to a parish session and heard the exact same things so we stopped going to them.

Hopefully, many of your parishioners fall into that latter category.

Peace,

 

[juno24]

We have not begun using the revised translation yet, but we have been receiving instruction weekly on the parts that are going to change. We will begin using the new translation this year at Advent.
This past Sunday the woman who leads the congregation in the hymns and responsorial psalm (can’t rightly call her the Cantor, and I don’t know if she has an official title!) was going over the latest piece of instruction and I could not help but smile broadly when she explained. This Sunday was the instruction on how the Lamb of God was to be sung. She said that we use the Mass of Creation and the name Jesus is not supposed to be at the beginning of the Lamb of God. She said, “We’ve always sung it that way, but it was just, well, WRONG. From now on we will sing it correctly.” I tell you, I almost let out a loud “Hallelujah!” at that point. It was the first time since my return to the Church that I had heard ANYONE flat out state that something we were doing was just plain wrong! Usually, when the Bishop mandates a change, it is just instituted with a statement along the lines of, “This is what the Bishop wants, so we are doing it.” Of course, when the Bishop instructed the priests of the diocese to stop doing something, it was because it was… WRONG!

 

[Asperges_Me]

We have not begun using the revised translation yet, but we have been receiving instruction weekly on the parts that are going to change. We will begin using the new translation this year at Advent.
This past Sunday the woman who leads the congregation in the hymns and responsorial psalm (can’t rightly call her the Cantor, and I don’t know if she has an official title!) was going over the latest piece of instruction and I could not help but smile broadly when she explained. This Sunday was the instruction on how the Lamb of God was to be sung. She said that we use the Mass of Creation and the name Jesus is not supposed to be at the beginning of the Lamb of God. She said, “We’ve always sung it that way, but it was just, well, WRONG. From now on we will sing it correctly.” I tell you, I almost let out a loud “Hallelujah!” at that point. It was the first time since my return to the Church that I had heard ANYONE flat out state that something we were doing was just plain wrong! Usually, when the Bishop mandates a change, it is just instituted with a statement along the lines of, “This is what the Bishop wants, so we are doing it.” Of course, when the Bishop instructed the priests of the diocese to stop doing something, it was because it was… WRONG!

Thanks be to God! That “Jesus” in front of “Lamb” about drives me insane every time i hear it.

 

[gh4]

We have not yet started using the new parts in the mass. We have, however, begun to teach the parish the songs of the mass. It’s going well actually. We are singing everything that we can possibly sing. We have a new priest and he likes singing and that’s a very good thing.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

I said yes because they anounced this past Sunday that we would begin thins coming Sunday.
Yeah I have only Benn looking to this for about 4 years now since I first heard it was happening.
:extrahappy::clapping::bowdown2:

 

[A2SciTeach]

Our parish has been singing these acclamations in Latin, this past Sunday we had to sing the new Gloria in English in obedience to the Bishop. Seemed like we were going backwards.:banghead:

 

[Corki]

Our parish has been singing these acclamations in Latin, this past Sunday we had to sing the new Gloria in English in obedience to the Bishop. Seemed like we were going backwards.:banghead:

I think someone misunderstood. The Bishop has the authority to allow the new English translations be used prior to the first Sunday of Advent to help people get used to singing them. I doubt they were mandated since that would have been going beyond the authority granted. I know our Bishop has given the same permission but we haven’t made the change yet. It was permission not requirement.

Even after the first Sunday of Advent, there is no mandate to use the English translations. Latin is always approved. It is just that IF you use English, it must be with the new translations beginning in Advent.

 

[Brendan]

I think someone misunderstood. The Bishop has the authority to allow the new English translations be used prior to the first Sunday of Advent to help people get used to singing them. I doubt they were mandated since that would have been going beyond the authority granted. I know our Bishop has given the same permission but we haven’t made the change yet. It was permission not requirement.

Even after the first Sunday of Advent, there is no mandate to use the English translations. Latin is always approved. It is just that IF you use English, it must be with the new translations beginning in Advent.

The Bishop might have requested (note: requested) that the Gloria be sung in English for a period of time.

One of the things that the Bishops are looking at are the Catholic who attend Mass infrequently. For them, it would be likely that they would hear the new English Gloria for the first time on Christmas, as the Gloria is not used during Advent.

So the bishop might have requested that all the parishes in the diocese expose their parishioners to the new translated Gloria and the priest is honoring the request.

 

[zab]

No singing this morning at daily Mass, but we are still learning to use the new translations. Many had to catch themselves at one time or another even though we had the cards in our hands. It is not that difficult. It is just a matter of getting used to it.

 

[zab]

Does anyone know if these “new translations” are really “new”? Some of it sounds so familiar to me. But I don’t recall if we actually used these translations before or if these were the translations that were in our missal when the Mass was in Latin.

 

[WoundedIcon]

Does anyone know if these “new translations” are really “new”? Some of it sounds so familiar to me. But I don’t recall if we actually used these translations before or if these were the translations that were in our missal when the Mass was in Latin.

You mean when you used to attend the EF, right? Yes, they’re basically the same as the EF missal’s translations.

 

[zab]

You mean when you used to attend the EF, right? Yes, they’re basically the same as the EF missal’s translations.

What I mean is when the Mass used to be in Latin and we were not yet celebrating Mass in the vernacular. The missals would have the Latin on one side and the English translation on the other.

 

[Phemie]

Does anyone know if these “new translations” are really “new”? Some of it sounds so familiar to me. But I don’t recall if we actually used these translations before or if these were the translations that were in our missal when the Mass was in Latin.

Some of them are very similar to what we were saying when the Mass first was allowed in English in the mid 60s. The translation changed greatly with the 1970 Missal.

 

[centurionguard]

Some of them are very similar to what we were saying when the Mass first was allowed in English in the mid 60s. The translation changed greatly with the 1970 Missal.

Exactly; in some ways there resemblance to the old 1966 Jerusalem translation used in the Sacramentary.

My parish just started reviewing musical changes with the congregation to the Gloria last Sunday. For the next eight Sundays the pipe-organist is going to review new addition musical liturgical variations with the congregation until the first Sunday of Advent.

I find it strange that the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops have waited so so long to release copies of the New Roman Missal. Its like everything is such a huge hushed secret.

 

[Phemie]

Exactly; in some ways there resemblance to the old 1966 Jerusalem translation used in the Sacramentary.

My parish just started reviewing musical changes with the congregation to the Gloria.
For the next eight Sundays the pipe-organist is going to review new addition variations with the congregation until the first Sunday of Advent.

I find it strange that the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops have waited so so long to release copies of the New Roman Missal. Its like everything is such a huge hushed secret.

The final approval from Rome wasn’t given until the last couple of months, whereas the US had theirs last year.

At least we now have the English GIRM on the CCCB website. If we want to read the French one we have to buy “L’art de célébrer la Messe”, the official French GIRM (PGMR) which has been out for a couple of years but which is not available online (although there is an unofficial French version available on a few websites from France).

What Mass settings are they going with at your parish? Last Sunday I was in Summerside and attended Mass there. They’re teaching the new setting with the goal of having them able to sing at least the Gloria & Kyrie for the Mass of October 16, adding more of the new setting every Sunday until the full Mass (minus the Gloria, obviously) is sung in the new setting on November 27.

They’ve opted for the Dawson setting and frankly that Gloria leaves a lot to be desired. His form 3 Greek Kyrie is nice though.

I hope that my choir opts for the Guimont if they don’t choose the chant setting. His sounds less ‘pop’ than the other two. At this point we’re stuck with guitar strummers for accompaniment, our organist having just retired and moved to TO, so I hope they opt for chant and keep it simple.