EDITED: New translation used in any musical settings at Mass yet?

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YoungTradCath said:
OBTW we just received a FOURTH permanent priest to our parish today. This church is nothing special, just a medium-sized parish in a medium-sized South Carolina town… these Redemptorists keep building up in our parish, our priest-to-parishioner ratio is like, crazy. Four priests, three deacons… it’s like we’re swimming in clerics when half of America’s parishes barely have a priest available.
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Send some up here, to Western Massachusetts! 🙂 My parish has one priest and one married permanent deacon, and a territory of 107.5 square miles. 2000 families, three towns. Yeah.
 
DaveBj said:
Sung responses? At daily Mass?

BWA-A-A-AHAHAHAHA

Um, nope.
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If I am not mistaken I think we are only allowed to use the sung responses for the New Missal at this time. We will be able to use “said” responses the first Sunday of Advent.
 
This is a rather helpful document. It can be used, I think, most effectively in those situations in which parishioners do not understand or refuse to accept based on ignorance the insufficiency of the current translation as compared to the Latin. I think this document will prove most helpful in those situations.

liturgyoffice.org.uk/Missal/Text/Compare-3-Peoples.pdf
 
YoungTradCath said:
This is a rather helpful document. It can be used, I think, most effectively in those situations in which parishioners do not understand or refuse to accept based on ignorance the insufficiency of the current translation as compared to the Latin. I think this document will prove most helpful in those situations.

liturgyoffice.org.uk/Missal/Text/Compare-3-Peoples.pdf
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Good document. Showing the Latin should add an element of transparency to the translation process.
 
Nothing has been done yet in my parish. I’ve been pushing to get the cards and the Celebrate in Song in the pews but the Liturgy Coordinator is resisting. She won’t even put the new Sunday Missal (annual, disposable) for sale yet so that all those people who use them would have a chance to see the changes. We have no pastor and the administrator isn’t overly concerned about the new translation since the parishes he’s otherwise assigned to don’t celebrate in English. He’s left everything to the Coordinator.

The choir has been practicing, but not letting us in on what they’re learning.

Interesting to note that the print edition of Celebrate in Song, Canada’s supplement to the CBW III for this new translation, only contains the melody line of the new settings for the PIP; the accompaniment and the choir editions of all the settings have been released on a CD and must be printed by the parishes for their choir. I don’t know how they propose to prevent copyright infringements since there is no way to determine what was printed legally and what wasn’t. Nothing prevents a parish from sharing its CD with another parish. I guess maybe they aren’t too concerned since they are working on a permanent replacement for the CBW III.
 
Things are finally getting rolling. Father held a workshop this past Sunday, using the “Understanding the Revised Mass Texts” booklet by Fr. Paul Turner as the basis.
Though the audience was primarily comprised of people with liturgical duties, I noticed a number of other interested persons were present also.

We ran through the reworked “Mass of Creation” (“Massive Cremation” :D). If nothing else we got to sing the new words. One positive note, though, is that the Sanctus in this reworked version uses the corrected punctuation from the new translation.
In case some have not noticed, the new translation removed the comma after the word “Lord” following the 3rd “holy.” So, instead of Holy, Holy, Holy Lord, God of…" we now have “Holy,Holy,Holy Lord God of hosts.” Biblically,the word Lord in this context belongs with “God” rather than “Holy.” The revised MoC now has reflected this in the longer holding of the 3rd Holy and then starting the next phrase with “Lord.”

We have not, however, used them at mass at our home parish.

Being out of town, though, we got to sing new versions of the Gloria on consecutive Sundays.
First, in Duluth, MN we sang what I believe is the version from the Missal. Very easy to sing, limited range, but dignified.

Second, in LaCrosse, WI we sang another version which I can’t identify but was a little too much like the Haugen/Haas stuff we’ve had to suffer through for years.
 
Phemie said:
Nothing has been done yet in my parish. I’ve been pushing to get the cards and the Celebrate in Song in the pews but the Liturgy Coordinator is resisting. She won’t even put the new Sunday Missal (annual, disposable) for sale yet so that all those people who use them would have a chance to see the changes. We have no pastor and the administrator isn’t overly concerned about the new translation since the parishes he’s otherwise assigned to don’t celebrate in English. He’s left everything to the Coordinator.
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Sounds like the usual childish parish politics at play. This is why I’m opposed to most lay “ministries.”
 
YoungTradCath said:
Sounds like the usual childish parish politics at play. This is why I’m opposed to most lay “ministries.”
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At this point, without her the parish would fall apart. Until we get a pastor, and without a secretary and with an administrator who only sets foot in there to get his mail and to say Mass, there would be no one else to do the work that she does well, consistently and on a volunteer basis. That I disagree with her on this point is beside the point.
 
Last night we had a meeting in the UK Arundel and Brighton diocese at a local parish centre with the composer Paul Inwood. He was there to demonstrate a few of the new mass settings and discuss the thought processes we should go through before choosing settings to use. He pointed out rhythmic problems, difficulty etc then took a few questions. A lot of time was spent on the Gloria discussing its extra long phrases and how composers have tried to tackle them.

Some of it was clearly a sales pitch and he did make one silly comment that i took objection to regarding hymns which was “Hymns don’t encourage you to breathe when you sing” - nonsense provided the organist is doing his job properly. Instead we were incouraged to use responsorial psalm style “gathering chants”; - the audience didn’t seem too keen on these, (me neither!)

There was also an explanation about the approval process for music in the UK which is apparently much more unpredictable than in the USA. We were also told that its permissible to write your own mass settings using the new words provided you use them internally in your parish and don’t distribute them to other parishes or people, especially for money. All in all an interesting meeting and a privilege to meet such well known liturgical composer.
 
ZachHildebrandt said:
Last night we had a meeting in the UK Arundel and Brighton diocese at a local parish centre with the composer Paul Inwood. He was there to demonstrate a few of the new mass settings and discuss the thought processes we should go through before choosing settings to use. He pointed out rhythmic problems, difficulty etc then took a few questions. A lot of time was spent on the Gloria discussing its extra long phrases and how composers have tried to tackle them.

Some of it was clearly a sales pitch and he did make one silly comment that i took objection to regarding hymns which was “Hymns don’t encourage you to breathe when you sing” - nonsense provided the organist is doing his job properly. Instead we were incouraged to use responsorial psalm style “gathering chants”; - the audience didn’t seem too keen on these, (me neither!)

There was also an explanation about the approval process for music in the UK which is apparently much more unpredictable than in the USA. We were also told that its permissible to write your own mass settings using the new words provided you use them internally in your parish and don’t distribute them to other parishes or people, especially for money. All in all an interesting meeting and a privilege to meet such well known liturgical composer.
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Well, Sacrosanctum Concilium did say Gregorian chant is to be given “pride of place” in the liturgy. Also, the chants use the propers of the mass which are really intrinsic to the mass, unlike hymns, which not.
 
Our parish began using the Gloria in mid Sept… Two weeks ago we began using the Sanctus, Mystery of Faith, and Amen. We start the Agnus Dei, and Gospel Acclamations in Nov…
 
drforjc said:
Well, Sacrosanctum Concilium did say Gregorian chant is to be given “pride of place” in the liturgy. Also, the chants use the propers of the mass which are really intrinsic to the mass, unlike hymns, which not.
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Ah but the ones being demonstrated were not in the gregorian style some being taize like chants which were quite boring frankly.
 
Ahhhhhhhhh, finally heard the new Gloria, Sanctus, and Mystery of Faith in one of the downtown churches this weekend.

I almost cried for joy when I heard “and peace to people of good will” for the first time. They used the “new People’s Mass” by Vermust/Proulx. Very nice, because the melody was familiar.

Only three more weeks and then we get the full treatment!!!

Thanks be to God.
 
Today we added a new piece from Dan Schutte’s Mass of Christ the Savior. We learned the Great Amen. We have already been doing the Gloria and Sanctus. So, as of now, we are doing the new Gloria, Sanctus, and Great Amen. We are still using the Memorial Acclamation and Lamb of God from Alstott’s Heritage Mass, but I think that we will be learning the Memorial Acclamation and Lamb of God from the new setting next week. I’m happy, though, because we will be doing the revised Heritage Mass all during Advent and the Ordinary Time season after Christmas. Only three more weeks with Dan Schutte’s setting!
 
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