Elected Catholic Democrats to release "Statement of Principles"

[LCMS_No_More]

frommi:

My faith influences a great deal about my politics. Find me a true pro-life candidate, and I’ll vote for him/her. I’m not going to surrender my vote like a lemming to someone who’s idea of being pro-life is phoning into the Roe V. Wade march once a year, telling people they are doing a good job…and then proceeds to bomb a country and preside over executions.

YES! Exactly! Well said! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Additionally, Bush and his cronies are working hard to kick the poor, the immigrant, the elderly and the sick to the curb.

Those are not the signs of Christian people.

I left the part of the ballot that dealt with the President BLANK because I could not vote for EITHER in good conscience as I believe that BOTH are equally anti-life.

 

[vern_humphrey]

JOHNYJ:

Abortion and Gay Rights are the rocks that stops Catholics from supporting democrats. Except for that the democratic party is obviously the more christian of the 2 parties. To put it more bluntly . If it wouldn’t be for abortion Jesus would be a Communist befor he would be a Republican .

And if it wasn’t for starting the war and the Holocaust, Hitler was a real nice guy.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

Or to put it into perspective, almost 4 times more innocent human beings have been killed by abortion in this country than in the Holocaust.

 

[Fitz]

Della:

What they really mean is that Catholic parishes ought not to talk about this issue as if it really mattered in elections. They’re scared to death we will go on opposing them and keep them and their death agenda on the run. Pretty ironic when they reserve to themselves the right to speak at black Baptist churches in an effort to rouse one of their main bases to elicit votes for their candidates. In other words, faithful Catholics should shut up, sit down, and pray while they, the Democrats, continue to wreak havoc with the lives of the vulnerable, whom they have hoodwinked into thinking they care about them, when all they really want is their votes.

I agree with you!

 

[irenaeus1]

LCMS_No_More:

YES! Exactly! Well said! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Additionally, Bush and his cronies are working hard to kick the poor, the immigrant, the elderly and the sick to the curb.

Those are not the signs of Christian people.

I left the part of the ballot that dealt with the President BLANK because I could not vote for EITHER in good conscience as I believe that BOTH are equally anti-life.

The candidates of the last presidential election were not equally anti-life BECAUSE abortion and capital punishment or war are not of equal moral weight.

BTW, how exactly are Bush and his cronies working hard to kick the poor, the immigrant, the elderly and the sick to the curb? It’s easy to make such generalities.

In Chirst,
Irenaeus

 

[frommi]

irenaeus1:

The candidates of the last presidential election were not equally anti-life BECAUSE abortion and capital punishment or war are not of equal moral weight.

Every life is of equal weight. Sorry to break it to you.

 

[WanderAimlessly]

It is time the Church hierarchy stand up to these demagogues of Church teaching and place them were they should be, on the outside looking in.

While they are at it, the same should go for groups like CTA, VOTF, and CFFC

PF

 

[mlchance]

frommi:

Every life is of equal weight.

True. And as you well know, not all “life issues” are of equal weight. A war can be just. In fact, a war can be so just that it becomes a moral obligation. Self-defense, to include lethal use of force, can also be a moral obligation. Capital punishment is not impermissible.

But when it comes to abortion, everything suddenly looks very different. There is no excuse for abortion. Ever. Abortion is always wrong in every single circumstance.

Of course, all of the blather about big, evil Republican “cronies” is not only insulting and a lie, but is also completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

This thread is about the mendacity of the Catholic Democrats who put political gain ahead of their faith, which is precisely what they do when they actively work to keep abortion legal, support abortion-in-demand in the national platform, strive to legalize gay “marriage,” support embryonic stem cell research, et cetera.

No Catholic, regardless of his party or rationalizations, can legitimately support of the issues in the preceding paragraph.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[frommi]

mlchance:

Of course, all of the blather about big, evil Republican “cronies” is not only insulting and a lie, but is also completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

This thread is about the mendacity of the Catholic Democrats who put political gain ahead of their faith, which is precisely what they do when they actively work to keep abortion legal, support abortion-in-demand in the national platform, strive to legalize gay “marriage,” support embryonic stem cell research, et cetera.

No Catholic, regardless of his party or rationalizations, can legitimately support of the issues in the preceding paragraph.

– Mark L. Chance.

And near as I can tell, many don’t support these things, while many on the other side of the aisle do.

The reality is that many people give thier votes away because of a false belief any politician can actually stop any of this stuff.

And the other reality is that there hasn’t been a ‘just’ war since world war II…there hasn’t been a need for capital punishment in a 100 years…and that all politicians do a pretty good job contributing to the supposed ‘culture of death’…which seems to have become a popular misnomer.

 

[mary_bobo]

irenaeus1:

The candidates of the last presidential election were not equally anti-life BECAUSE abortion and capital punishment or war are not of equal moral weight.

BTW, how exactly are Bush and his cronies working hard to kick the poor, the immigrant, the elderly and the sick to the curb? It’s easy to make such generalities.

In Chirst,
Irenaeus

Very true. The Bush bashers (some, not all) seem to be able to rationalize anything he does as bad whether it is in keeping with church teaching or not. They can’t conceive that there are many ways to help the poor, and continually giving them government aid, in my opinion, is not a way that has worked. Giving them an opportunity to work, to get a better education thru vouchers and some of the other ideas that have been floated but immediately knocked down by the Dems, might be better ways. It’s a matter of philosophy and we have already seen in Europe that socialism does not work.

I don’t notice any party being anti-immigrant–they are crossing our borders illegally by the millions. I don’t know what about illegal some folks don’t understand. Illegals are taxing our schools, our hospitals, our welfare system. They are breaking the law. I understand why they want to come. I am a first generation American on my father’s side. He and his parents waited a long time to be able to come, they did not speak English, but they learned, and they never expected a handout from anyone. And no, I am not bashing the poor. I believe we should help those in need–as long as those in need who can, help themselves at the same time.

 

[MikeWM]

mary bobo:

It’s a matter of philosophy and we have already seen in Europe that socialism does not work.

Really? Do you want to tell Sweden that? By almost any indicator, it is one of the best countries in the world.

Mike

 

[SnorterLuster]

MikeWM:

Really? Do you want to tell Sweden that? By almost any indicator, it is one of the best countries in the world.

Mike

Well, from the Marginal Revolution’s blog referring to a Washington Times Article:

Facts about Sweden

1. No new net jobs have been produced in the Swedish private sector since 1950.

1. “None of top 50 companies on the Stockholm stock exchange has been started since 1970.”
2. “…well over 1 million people out of a work force of around four million did not work in 2003 but lived on various kinds of public welfare programs, such as, pre-pension schemes, unemployment benefits, sick-leave programs, etc.”
3. “Sweden has dropped from fourth to 14th place in 2002 among the OECD countries (i.e., affluent industrialized countries) in terms of GDP per capita since 1970.”

Go to the link for further coverage, marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/04/facts_about_swe.html

And from Instapundit:
ERIC ALTERMAN is unhappy with my Wednesday post in which I disagreed with his characterization of Sweden as a “beacon of light” after which the United States should model itself. I made three points: (1) Sweden collaborated with the Nazis in World War Two, and with various unsavory types afterward; (2) Sweden has more crime than America; and (3) Sweden is poorer than Mississippi.

Go to the link for more: instapundit.com/archives/003564.php

 

[grotto]

frommi:

Every life is of equal weight. Sorry to break it to you.

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God has created everyone equal - what happens next is the life story!
The value of the soul will be weighed and SORRY TO BREAK IT TO YOU BUT MANY WILL NOT WEIGH ENOUGH! Those souls that create and murder the unborn are NOT going to pass! Its our job to stop them from performing this evil and not support anyone who wants to “pass” on the job!

 

[frommi]

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God has created everyone equal - what happens next is the life story!
The value of the soul will be weighed and SORRY TO BREAK IT TO YOU BUT MANY WILL NOT WEIGH ENOUGH! Those souls that create and murder the unborn are NOT going to pass! Its our job to stop them from performing this evil and not support anyone who wants to “pass” on the job!

Did I say that this wasn’t an evil?

Didn’t I leave you and your rhetoric in the Bishop Carlson thread?

 

[JOHNYJ]

mary bobo:

Very true. The Bush bashers (some, not all) seem to be able to rationalize anything he does as bad whether it is in keeping with church teaching or not. They can’t conceive that there are many ways to help the poor, and continually giving them government aid, in my opinion, is not a way that has worked. Giving them an opportunity to work, to get a better education thru vouchers and some of the other ideas that have been floated but immediately knocked down by the Dems, might be better ways. It’s a matter of philosophy and we have already seen in Europe that socialism does not work.

I don’t notice any party being anti-immigrant–they are crossing our borders illegally by the millions. I don’t know what about illegal some folks don’t understand. Illegals are taxing our schools, our hospitals, our welfare system. They are breaking the law. I understand why they want to come. I am a first generation American on my father’s side. He and his parents waited a long time to be able to come, they did not speak English, but they learned, and they never expected a handout from anyone. And no, I am not bashing the poor. I believe we should help those in need–as long as those in need who can, help themselves at the same time.

The Border with Mexico like the Iraq war is the way it is by choice ! The Republicans use illegal aliens to push down wages and block increases in the minimum wage.
The Republican party has opposed every major Social program in the last 80 years.
Herbert Hoover wanted to solve the great depression with private charities and no govt. involvement President Bush while making a lot of War veterans .Didn’t want to care for them and tried to cut the Veterans budget. President Bush is a Big business for the rich Republican, its that simple.

 

[estesbob]

frommi:

My faith influences a great deal about my politics. Find me a true pro-life candidate, and I’ll vote for him/her. I’m not going to surrender my vote like a lemming to someone who’s idea of being pro-life is phoning into the Roe V. Wade march once a year, telling people they are doing a good job…and then proceeds to bomb a country and preside over executions.

I find that those who want to rationlaize their conitnued support of the party of abortion set the bar so high that Mother thresea herself would have a hard time qualifying as a “true pro-life candidate.” You seem to be one of those but also seem to not have such stringent standards when it comes for voting for pro-abortion candidates

 

[estesbob]

JOHNYJ:

The Russian Form of Communism.More accurately called Lenninism or Stalinism has diferences from pure communism of the Karl Marx variety.
Also the Republican party under President Bush is such an anti-poor,anti-worker party.
That has very little in common with Jesus teachings.

Can you givr us exampoles of the Bush policies that are anti-poor and anti-worker
?
Of ocurse one of the ways the Democrat party fights poverty is making it as easy as possble to kill all brown , black and yello wbabies that might end up being , in their opinion, a “burden” on society

 

[buffalo]

estesbob:

Can you givr us exampoles of the Bush policies that are anti-poor and anti-worker
?
Of ocurse one of the ways the Democrat party fights poverty is making it as easy as possble to kill all brown , black and yello wbabies that might end up being , in their opinion, a “burden” on society

needless to say the one’s that survive infanticide get trapped into s cycle of poverty.

 

[Della]

buffalo:

needless to say the one’s that survive infanticide get trapped into s cycle of poverty.

And why is that? Because Republicans believe in working hard and being responsible? Hardly.

It’s because the Democrats keep them on entitlements/welfare while all the while telling them to have all the sex they want (they’re going to do it anyway) as long as they use “protection.” Yeah, like that’s gonna happen! :banghead:

Republicans tell people to keep their pants up, get an education, stay in stable marriages, and make something of themselves, but we’re the bad guys. Right.

 

[bones_IV]

estesbob:

We will NEVER concede defeat. if the SD law is overturned we will push for the passing of another and another until we finally get a court that will overturn this abomination. 47 MILLION DEAD!!!. WE WILL NEVER NEVER QUIT and we will NEVER VOTE FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT SUPPORT OUR CAUSE.

Is that clear enbough for you?

There are problems with the SD law, it puts the intention of committing an abortion on a par with lesser crimes (eg. carrying a concealed weapon to committ a felony, encouraging another to become a prostitute.)

 

[Maranatha]

Abortion albatross plagues Catholic Dems

A “Statement of Principles” has been released by 55 Catholic Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives. The House Catholic Democrats who signed this statement—and 17 of them did not—are trying to convince the public, and especially Catholics, that one can be a good Catholic and differ with the Catholic Church on abortion.

They agree with the Church about the ‘undesirability of abortion,’ adding that ‘we do not celebrate its practice.’ What gives them pause is not explained, but one thing is certain: there is not a word in the statement that commits these Catholics to work towards a change in the Democratic Party’s Platform on abortion.

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