Elected Catholic Democrats to release "Statement of Principles"

[Brendan]

Gee, their party supports the denial of human rights to an entire class of people, and willing resists all efforts to grant to this class of people the same Civil Rights that all other Americans enjoy.

This party even goes to the extent of advocating the removal of all legal obstacles to the extermination of this class at will.

And all these Catholics can do is call the situation “undesirable”

Sheesh

 

[Maranatha]

Full text and list of signers.

 

[bones_IV]

bones_IV:

There are problems with the SD law, it puts the intention of committing an abortion on a par with lesser crimes (eg. carrying a concealed weapon to committ a felony, encouraging another to become a prostitute.)

Read this! I think that HB 1215 should be vetoed.

Link

 

[estesbob]

frommi:

Every life is of equal weight. Sorry to break it to you.

Yes they are . But as our Church makes very clear the death penatly is not in and of itsef evil. Abortion is. The idea that their is a any moral equivalence between supporting the death penatly and supporting abortion is complete and utter nonsense. But of course we see this nonsesne all the time-mainly by those trying to justify their continued support of the party of abortion. Thus they rationaliz etheir vote for a candidate who supports the killing of of 1.2 MILLION children a year by pointing out he oposes the execution of a 100 or so convicted criminals a year.

And just to head you off at the pass-I vehemently oppose the death penatly. I havestood in silent prayer at numerous exections that took place in Huntsville texas. I always had to bite my tongue at the high profile executions(like Gary Graham) where por-abortion stalwarts like Jesses jackson condemned the injustice of puting a murdering, raping crook to death. I can never understand the sympathy for those who had commited heinous crimes that were being executed while at the same time supporting the killing of 47 million innocent children.

 

[Elzee]

I hope the USCCB comes back and and makes it clear with their own statement that a Catholic politician cannot support abortion.

I’ll be curious to see the take Bill O’Reilly gives on this. God help us if Fr. McBrien is asked to comment. **Hey Karl - how about getting a jump-start on this and offering up a few people to be guests on the news shows this week???
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Maybe Bill Donohue or Fr. Pavone will step up if our Bishops do not.

 

[MulusChristi]

Well, I held my nose and read the statement and I honestly believe that Donohoe has is right. There is nothing new in that statement. Now they have openly defied the Church’s teaching and we are entering public scandal territory. Where are the bishops? Oh, I forgot, they’re busy opposing the death penalty for the ten millionth time.

 

[estesbob]

buffalo:

needless to say the one’s that survive infanticide get trapped into s cycle of poverty.

They do? Always? Are you promoting the “better dead than underfed” philisophy?

 

[buffalo]

estesbob:

They do? Always? Are you promoting the “better dead than underfed” philisophy?

Absolutely not. I was making the point that the libs lock the poor into a cycle of poverty with their programs.

 

[MikeWM]

SnorterLuster:

Well, from the Marginal Revolution’s blog referring to a Washington Times Article:

Facts about Sweden

1. No new net jobs have been produced in the Swedish private sector since 1950.

1. “None of top 50 companies on the Stockholm stock exchange has been started since 1970.”
2. “…well over 1 million people out of a work force of around four million did not work in 2003 but lived on various kinds of public welfare programs, such as, pre-pension schemes, unemployment benefits, sick-leave programs, etc.”
3. “Sweden has dropped from fourth to 14th place in 2002 among the OECD countries (i.e., affluent industrialized countries) in terms of GDP per capita since 1970.”

Go to the link for further coverage, marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/04/facts_about_swe.html

Does any of that really matter if the Swedes are happy, healthy, long-lived, well-educated and content? Money in and of itself doesn’t make you happy.

Wednesday post

in which I disagreed with his characterization of Sweden as a “beacon of light” after which the United States should model itself. I made three points: (1) Sweden collaborated with the Nazis in World War Two, and with various unsavory types afterward; (2) Sweden has more crime than America; and (3) Sweden is poorer than Mississippi.

I don’t think we should judge what happened in world war 2 with now, really. Do you shun Germany for the same reason?

As to point 3 - money isn’t everything, again. I’m amazed sometimes that I have to even say this on a Catholic forum, but apparently I do. The amount of money you have is not an indication of how successful or happy you are.

For point 2 - does it? I’ve not seen figures for this that I can recall. In any event, it doesn’t seem to bother them all that much. One thing you can’t deny is that Sweden is a happy, healthier, more contented place than the USA.

Mike

 

[bones_IV]

MikeWM:

Does any of that really matter if the Swedes are happy, healthy, long-lived, well-educated and content? Money in and of itself doesn’t make you happy.

I don’t think we should judge what happened in world war 2 with now, really. Do you shun Germany for the same reason?

As to point 3 - money isn’t everything, again. I’m amazed sometimes that I have to even say this on a Catholic forum, but apparently I do. The amount of money you have is not an indication of how successful or happy you are.

For point 2 - does it? I’ve not seen figures for this that I can recall. In any event, it doesn’t seem to bother them all that much. One thing you can’t deny is that Sweden is a happy, healthier, more contented place than the USA.

Mike

A country that promotes immorality is not happiness. Promoting immorality is a false happiness. We shouldn’t judge WWII? Come on Mike! Get real. You seem to be jumping around the bush as you do flaunting your pro-socialist, pro-abortion sharades.

 

[stbruno]

Chicago is a democratic town and inevitably during election time, the democrats make the rounds even at home parties wherever they can earn some votes. Recently, I was in attendance at one and our state sen. who is running for re-election was there. He quickly listed his Catholic affiliations…attending Cath. high and grade school, his kids currently are in Catholic schools and he attends the neighboring church. However, when I quizzed him how he likes one of the deacons at his church but I omitted the title deacon and just mentioned his name…he said, he didn’t know him. When I asked about the other deacon, without saying a name…he didn’t know that one either. And then when I asked him why he was not pro-life…he said, that he was at one time but was put off because Cardinal George had written or called each of the Catholic politicians and explained to them the church’s stand on issues of life and morality…and because he cosponsored some gay rights bill…he was no longer going to listen to the Cardinal. I said that was too bad…because he wouldn’t get my vote…and not only that…as far as I know being a good “democrat” never guaranteed anyone getting into heaven…but being a good “Christian” surely might! The Cardinal was concerned with his soul and that is job as our spiritual shepherd. He walked away. I can guarantee I might find his name on that list of so-called Catholic politicians.

 

[David_Zampino]

estesbob:

I am disapointed that many pro-life congressman lent credibitly to this statement by adding their names.

I am as well. Party over principle. Again.

Blessings,

 

[David_Zampino]

frommi:

America is a VERY unique country, in that it has been determined that there is a right to an abortion.

???

I think that you will find that many, many nations esp. in Europe have also “discovered” this so-called right. America may be unique in that there are significant numbers of vocal OPPONANTS to abortion.

Blessings,

 

[mike182d]

frommi:

My faith influences a great deal about my politics. Find me a true pro-life candidate, and I’ll vote for him/her. I’m not going to surrender my vote like a lemming to someone who’s idea of being pro-life is phoning into the Roe V. Wade march once a year, telling people they are doing a good job…and then proceeds to bomb a country and preside over executions.

So, you’ll surrender your vote to some of the wealthiest men in America who will tax hard working individuals into oblivion to “help the poor” but hire attorneys to get them out of paying a dime into those very same taxes. Brilliant.

First of all, war and abortion are not the same evil. There is a just war theory but I am not aware of their being a just abortion theory. One can support the war in Iraq without sacrificing their faithfulness to Church teaching but one *cannot *under any circumstances support abortion and still be a Catholic.

Second, is food a more fundamental right than freedom from a murderous tyrant? Is it better to feed the hungry while we sit idly by and watch 1.3 million human beings be slaughtered under an oppressive, lying, tyrannical government?

Your idea of social “justice” is horribly skewed.

 

[David_Zampino]

Maranatha:

I wonder if John F. Kennedy would associate with the Democrats of today? He supported tax cuts for the wealthy, was strongly anti-communists and was not adverse to going to war over missiles in Cuba. The abortion debate was not an issue back then. He was the arch-typical old style Catholic Democrat.

Agreed (his moral life notwithstanding). And he presided over one of the largest across-the-board tax cuts in history, believing that “a rising tide lifts all boats”.

Blessings,

 

[cathgal]

MulusChristi:

Well, I held my nose and read the statement and I honestly believe that Donohoe has is right. There is nothing new in that statement. Now they have openly defied the Church’s teaching and we are entering public scandal territory. Where are the bishops? Oh, I forgot, they’re busy opposing the death penalty for the ten millionth time.

They do not want to tread on controversial ‘issue’; taking on the death penalty is a cowardly way out for them.

 

[mike182d]

buffalo:

needless to say the one’s that survive infanticide get trapped into s cycle of poverty.

Was there a rise in abortions during the Great Depression?

Are people in a worst state of poverty than they were during the Great Depression?

I’m sorry but poverty doesn’t cause abortions. That’s liberal, pro-abort tripe and giving people all the money in the world isn’t going to eradicate abortion.

Democratic Party Platform: If there exists in the world a problem of great evil, it can only be solved by throwing exorbitent amounts of money at it.

Love isn’t sending someone a welfare check funded by your taxes, its going out there yourself and personally helping people with your own two hands. That is what Republicans advocate. The Government is not the solution to people’s problems but more often than not is the cause.

 

[MikeWM]

bones_IV:

A country that promotes immorality is not happiness.

And what country doesn’t? Sweden has a lower abortion rate than the USA, for example. And it’s got almost the lowest infant mortality rate - so those that do get born have a better chance of surviving.

We shouldn’t judge WWII? Come on Mike! Get real.

I am. If you want to judge a country by its actions over 60 years ago, then feel free, but I thought we’d moved on from the ‘sins of the fathers’ stuff with Jesus. You really mustn’t like the Germans or the Japanese, and I guess you really liked the communist Russians given they were our allies in WW2.

You seem to be jumping around the bush as you do flaunting your pro-socialist, pro-abortion sharades.

I don’t think one flaunts a charade

Mike

 

[bones_IV]

MikeWM:

And what country doesn’t? Sweden has a lower abortion rate than the USA, for example. And it’s got almost the lowest infant mortality rate - so those that do get born have a better chance of surviving.

I am. If you want to judge a country by its actions over 60 years ago, then feel free, but I thought we’d moved on from the ‘sins of the fathers’ stuff with Jesus. You really mustn’t like the Germans or the Japanese, and I guess you really liked the communist Russians given they were our allies in WW2.

I don’t think one flaunts a charade

Mike

Don’t be rediculous. Russia was the greater of the two evils. I was using Germany to prove a point, and you use it to seem as if I have a “holier than thou” “naked hatred” agenda. Either your short on brains or you suffer from schizophrania.

 

[Maranatha]

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