Election 2012 - Who to vote for?

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catholictiger said:
I’m going to vote romeny but I know many conservatives out there hold to the opinion of one or the other. Personally I don’t mind people voting third party, it sends a message to the people in Washington I don’t like what options you are giving me so I’m voting for someone who I think should win, even though he has little to no chance. If enough people did something like this Washington would take note. But too many people say you must vote dem or GOP never vote third party.
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It does not send a message to vote third party–it helps the incumbent President win. People who vote third party to avoid the two major candidates think they are making a bold move, yet they are essentially helping one of the major candidates. Like it or not, Obama or Romney will be the next President, and taking votes away from the two major candidates does NOT help.

Washington will NOT take care if a third party candidate gets some votes–it never does, and I mean literally never. It will just be a blurb on the election radar screen, and pundits might say that third party candidate “x” helped get major party candidate “x” elected, but that is as far as it will go. It will be a footnote, nothing else and nothing more than that. Yet, make no mistake, every third party vote that is cast will help one of the major party candidates.
 
irishpatrick said:
Nonsense.

We live in the world, but are not of this world. However, we are to do everything we can to improve this world in whatever way we can, and to make it more friendly for people of God.
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And, I take it you believe voting for Romney does that. Needless to say, I disagree; just as I also disagree that voting for Obama does that.
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irishpatrick:
We should pray for both people (Romney and Obama),
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I agree.
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irishpatrick:
yet we MUST also make a wise choice from the two–because whether we totally agree with them, or not, one of them will be elected President for the next four year term.
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What is the wise choice when no matter which one is elected, we will get more war, more abortion, more “gay marriage”, and more economic exploitation? As I said, we would do better to work and pray for their conversion. I only wish our bishops would stress this message rather than their mistaken focus on “religious liberty”.
 
Actually mine was Cain until the lib media messed it up. But Romney less of the 2 evils. Think its safe to say at least he doesn’t want socialism.
Seamus_L said:
How many people here were actually excited about Romney when the GOP still had a full slate of candidates ? Did he even make your top 4 or 5. Remember when there was Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Gingrich, etc. Now he’s supposedly our best hope, or is it really just another case of picking the lesser of two evils, even if in this case it appears to be the much lesser of two evils. Barack Obama has been disaster for America, and if Mitt Romney is the next president, I really don’t see too much change. The bus will still be going over the cliff, because both are globalist, Wall St, New World Order puppets.
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Jeffrey said:
But Romney less of the 2 evils. Think its safe to say at least he doesn’t want socialism.
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Neither does Obama, who bailed out Wall St: the beating heart of predatory capitalism. Note also that Obama didn’t prosecute the Wall streeters who caused the economic collapse. Some “socialist”.
 
This healthcare act he got passed… means he’s socialist.
gnjsdad said:
Neither does Obama, who bailed out Wall St: the beating heart of predatory capitalism. Note also that Obama didn’t prosecute the Wall streeters who caused the economic collapse. Some “socialist”.
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Romney was dead last on my list of Republican candidates, but I will still vote for him in November.

Most Catholics seem divided between the life issues with which the Republicans agree with the Church, and the issues of poverty, with which it seems that the Democrats are more in line with the Church.

However, there are problems with each party. The Republicans tend to be wimpy, but they have gotten a lot of pieces with the life issues. Abortion is still legal, but more people now disagree with abortion-on-demand than every before, and the Supreme Court has finally stopped ruling every single law that could possibly be seen as a restriction to abortion as unConstitutional. So I see the Republcans making steps in the right direction on these issues, even if they haven’t managed to accomplish everything we would like them to.

In terms of the Democrats, yes, they are for giving taxpayer-earned money to poor people. And this looks good when compared to Church teaching. But I gotta admit, when I see someone working on a problem and everything they do makes the problem *worse, *I gotta wonder how invested they are in truly *solving *the problem.

When I see that the “solutions” the Democrats propose almost uniformly don’t work, I have to wonder what is going on with that? Why is it that the state of the poorest among us after 40 years of the War on Poverty is really much worse than it was? Why is it that the poor are much more likely to be put into prison with all the aid they receive from the government than they were back when there was very little government aid? Why is it that the schools for the poor are in every way worse off then they were back then? (except in terms of drop-out rates, since back then it was much less of a problem to drop out than it is now). Why is it that Americans spend generations in poverty?

And the one thing I have to wonder most of all: why is the party of the “little guy” so intent on not protecting the littlest ones among us?

So I can’t really say that I would be inclined to vote for the Democrats if the life issues weren’t an issue. I am not thrilled with the Republicans and would be very happy to see another party come along which was more truly in line with Church teaching *in every area. *
 
gnjsdad said:
And, I take it you believe voting for Romney does that. Needless to say, I disagree; just as I also disagree that voting for Obama does that.

I agree.

What is the wise choice when no matter which one is elected, we will get more war, more abortion, more “gay marriage”, and more economic exploitation? As I said, we would do better to work and pray for their conversion. I only wish our bishops would stress this message rather than their mistaken focus on “religious liberty”.
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Romney states he is for traditional marriage and will defend it. Romney states he is prolife and will defend innocent life. Romney states he will repeal Obamacare and will change the tax code to help the middle class and corporations so more jobs can remain in the USA.

Now, Obama takes the opposite position on every issue, and he said he did before he was elected and he remained true to his word. Why should feel that Romney will not remain true to his word just as Obama did?

BTW, the message of religious liberty is critical because we are staring at the very real possibility of losing them. The Bishops know that…and the HHS mandate proves it is true.

As for praying for their conversion–yes, of course, and always for everyone and the world.
 
St_Francis said:
Romney was dead last on my list of Republican candidates, but I will still vote for him in November.

Most Catholics seem divided between the life issues with which the Republicans agree with the Church, and the issues of poverty, with which it seems that the Democrats are more in line with the Church.

However, there are problems with each party. The Republicans tend to be wimpy, but they have gotten a lot of pieces with the life issues. Abortion is still legal, but more people now disagree with abortion-on-demand than every before, and the Supreme Court has finally stopped ruling every single law that could possibly be seen as a restriction to abortion as unConstitutional. So I see the Republcans making steps in the right direction on these issues, even if they haven’t managed to accomplish everything we would like them to.

In terms of the Democrats, yes, they are for giving taxpayer-earned money to poor people. And this looks good when compared to Church teaching. But I gotta admit, when I see someone working on a problem and everything they do makes the problem *worse, *I gotta wonder how invested they are in truly *solving *the problem.

When I see that the “solutions” the Democrats propose almost uniformly don’t work, I have to wonder what is going on with that? Why is it that the state of the poorest among us after 40 years of the War on Poverty is really much worse than it was? Why is it that the poor are much more likely to be put into prison with all the aid they receive from the government than they were back when there was very little government aid? Why is it that the schools for the poor are in every way worse off then they were back then? (except in terms of drop-out rates, since back then it was much less of a problem to drop out than it is now). Why is it that Americans spend generations in poverty?

And the one thing I have to wonder most of all: why is the party of the “little guy” so intent on not protecting the littlest ones among us?

So I can’t really say that I would be inclined to vote for the Democrats if the life issues weren’t an issue. I am not thrilled with the Republicans and would be very happy to see another party come along which was more truly in line with Church teaching *in every area. *
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Republicans want to help the poor just as much as the Democrats do…the difference is that the Republicans feel it should be done through charity, while Democrats feel it should be through taxes. It is no accident that Republicans give far more to charities, then do Democrats, they put their money where there faith is a lot more than do Democrats.

Further, Democratic policies make the economy weaker, and a weaker economy leads to the nation having less money to give to the poor through taxation, even if that was the route we chose to take.
 
gnjsdad said:
What is the wise choice when** no matter which one is elected, we will get more war, more abortion, more “gay marriage”, and more economic exploitation**? As I said, we would do better to work and pray for their conversion. I only wish our bishops would stress this message rather than their mistaken focus on “religious liberty”.
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Wow. That is about as cynical as you can get. I’m glad you are praying…
 
gnjsdad said:
Neither does Obama, who bailed out Wall St: the beating heart of predatory capitalism. Note also that Obama didn’t prosecute the Wall streeters who caused the economic collapse. Some “socialist”.
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Why would he do that, they give him too much money. 🤷
 
edwest2 said:
I am open to hearing about which of the two leading Presidential candidates are more in line with Catholic teaching (yes, I know one is a Mormon).

Peace,
Ed 🙂
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I always vote for the one with the nicest hair.
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austenbosten said:
You mean you were for Huntsman before Romney? :eek:
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Oh, I forgot about him and Perry. They were kind of already out before I started thinking about it. But then each person I liked left the field–I felt like a bad-luck charm!
 
St_Francis said:
Oh, I forgot about him and Perry. They were kind of already out before I started thinking about it. But then each person I liked left the field–I felt like a bad-luck charm!
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Huntsman had as much of a chance as I did. 🤷
 
_Abyssinia said:
You support the most pro abortion president ever Obama and you say Romney is not pro life?

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I support Obama and I don’t think he is the most pro-abortion President.
Romney is NOT pro-life. He only says what he thinks is necessary to get elected. Americans are free to believe what they want. Apparently on this issue Romney continues to fool many people, and some are Catholic.
 
obama obviously has you fooled. He is the most pro death president to date. Romney is by far and away more pro life than obama. But hey… twist it around has much as you needto if it helps you sleep at night. Meanwhile… thousands of more babies will be murdered.
Personanongrata said:
I support Obama and I don’t think he is the most pro-abortion President.
Romney is NOT pro-life. He only says what he thinks is necessary to get elected. Americans are free to believe what they want. Apparently on this issue Romney continues to fool many people, and some are Catholic.
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irishpatrick said:
It does not send a message to vote third party–it helps the incumbent President win. People who vote third party to avoid the two major candidates think they are making a bold move, yet they are essentially helping one of the major candidates. Like it or not, Obama or Romney will be the next President, and taking votes away from the two major candidates does NOT help.

Washington will NOT take care if a third party candidate gets some votes–it never does, and I mean literally never. It will just be a blurb on the election radar screen, and pundits might say that third party candidate “x” helped get major party candidate “x” elected, but that is as far as it will go. It will be a footnote, nothing else and nothing more than that. Yet, make no mistake, every third party vote that is cast will help one of the major party candidates.
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We have to start somewhere 👍 I don’t know who I will vote for, certainly not Obama…but I’m having a hard time swallowing Romney’s lies also. I’m not saying it won’t change, but right now I’m hoping that a good third party candidate will show up.

But it is very defeatist to declare that all you have to choose from is who the major parties put on the ballot. We have other choices, just folks have given up.
 
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