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Mickey
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I am thinking that the principle reasons for justifying the support of a candidate who supports abortion…would be so that the voter can sleep at night.
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Rich_Olszewski
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You’ve got it nailed.
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irishpatrick
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Abortion is an economic issue. Every person added is both a cost, and a benefit to the nation. Babies and children need supplies, doctors, families, homes to live, prks to play in, schools to go to, etc…the less babies and children, the less we need those things and the less jobs there are.
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Mickey
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It seems that you like to support candidates who support abortion. I know how the Catholic Church teaches about this…so I asked if you were Catholic.
There is no need for you to get all huffy.
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Rich_Olszewski
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I think it shades over a number of issues, but is primarily a social issue.
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irishpatrick
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Again, we do not agree–I believe abortion has had an enormous negative impact on the USA, for many reasons. It is also a social issue, no doubt, yet it is not ONLY a social issue. Every person added is both a cost, and a benefit to the nation. Babies and children need supplies, doctors, families, homes to live, parks to play in, schools to go to, etc…the less babies and children, the less we need those things and the less jobs there are or will be.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Oh, but I do get huffy when someone chooses to presume that I am not a Catholic. Your challenge smacks of being childish.
BTW, other than Sen. Clinton, whom I considered the best qualified in '08, pro-life or pro-choice, what other pro-choice candidates did I say that I “like to support”?
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Rich_Olszewski
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A fair assessment to be sure, and one with which I don’t really disagree.
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irishpatrick
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Rich, take a calm and serious look at this. The Church is incredibly clear and strong about abortion, to the point of declaring those getting abortions receive automatic excommunications, and direct assistance in abortions also receives the same. It is a most serious teaching, and you stand in direct opposition to those formal Church teachings. So, if a person does not know you, how could it be unreasonable for them to ask if you are Catholic when your posts (regarding abortion) are so blatantly against Church teaching?Oh, but I do get huffy when someone chooses to presume that I am not a Catholic. Your challenge smacks of being childish.
BTW, other than Sen. Clinton, whom I considered the best qualified in '08, pro-life or pro-choice, what other pro-choice candidates did I say that I “like to support”?
I did not see a judgment against your faith–I saw a question.
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irishpatrick
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Thank you.A fair assessment to be sure, and one with which I don’t really disagree.
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Ridgerunner
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Interestingly, the abortion rate is followed by the rate of fatherless children with approximately a 20-year-delay. But the rates follow the same ups and downs thereafter. There might be a lot of economic and social repercussions from abortion that few have ever seen fit to address or even think about.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Where have I ever celebrated abortion or posted opinions that are “blatantly against Church teaching?” That’s an awful accusation to make.
My support of Clinton? Whom would you have had me support before '08 except the one I thought most competent for the office? I assure you that even the declared pro-life candidates had flaws, and not by my lights, but by those of a number of other conservatives.
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irishpatrick
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I never said you celebrated abortion, yet it seems you support keeping abortion legal through the votes you have spoken about. If you are against legal abortion, and if you think abortion is truly the taking of an innocent human life, than how could you ever vote for someone who supports legal abortion?
I think if someone came onto the scene saying they wanted to bring back legal slavery, you and I would be 100% in agreement in rejecting such a person from candidacy–yet somehow people justify away the horror of abortion and often ignore the issue when they vote. With full respect, I just don’t understand that, I really do not.
Other than nuclear war, I cannot think of anything remotely proportionate to the millions who die through abortion. IMO, it is the most pressing issue there is, well beyond jobs, the economy and really everything else. If we allow ourselves as a nation to legally murder our own citizens, than we do not deserve the other stuff.
Picture a baby/fetus happily growing in the womb of their mother…then suddenly bam! It’s life is gone, erased, snuffed out. We Christians are supposed to stand for the most vulnerable and the most weak–we are not supposed to kill them!
Personally, I wish we would end legal abortion, and also put a lgal protection around traditional marriage and families, while also making sure our religious freedoms remain intact. After that, the left and right can argue over all the other issues without be sooooo divided about it all. Those are the issues dividing this nation, and the left is on the wrong side regarding all three issues.
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Mickey
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I made no such presumption. I asked you a question.
Stick and stones.
My inquiry was based on your zeal for Clinton.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Yes, I would have voted for the pro-choice Sen. Clinton, but at least in my own mind, her positive qualifications outweighed her negatives. BTW, I doubt that even Rick Santorum’s election would have guaranteed the end to abortion, so I have a clear conscience about the effect a Catholic in the office would or would not have had on the issue.
It seems that a number of posters think that a Catholic President means an end to abortion by the end of his or her term. I don’t believe that.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Republican have been baiting the masses with this yard for 30 years and are no closer to it now then ever. It just isn’t going to happen.
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Mickey
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Neither do I. I am always dumbfounded when someone who claims to follow the teachings of the Catholic or Orthodox Church…in the next breath…proclaim their support for a pro-death candidate.
Agreed. This genocide includes about 56 million murdered babies since Roe v Wade.
Agreed. I can assure you that Chirst would not be so interested in the economy, the environment, or foreign policy. But I am certain that He is quite grieved about the murder of His precious children.
It breaks my heart.
Amen my brother in Christ.
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scipio337
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That’s a popular sentiment, but I’m not sure that’s entirely true. Who are the sponsors of every pro life legislation currently in debate?
priestsforlife.org/LEGISLATION/
Which party passed the PBA Ban Act? Do you think President Obama would have signed it? Is there any legislation you can think of, on a state or federal level that sought to limit or restrict abortion that wasn’t written or sponsored by a Republican?
While no one has been sucessful in overturning Roe, it isn’t due to insincerety, or lack of effort, and to claim so ignores history.
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irishpatrick
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It won’t happen unless the GOP gets a fillibuster proof congress and the WH–that is true.
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catholictiger
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I see what your getting at but what about the smaller scale stuff. Would a pro choice clinton do more to REDUCE abortion than a pro life Santorum?
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