Elton John: Religon encourages hatred

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jman507 said:
That might conjure up that image in your mind, but it would be a fallacy to think that just because a group does it in Saudi Arabi does it, doesn’t mean you have to do it that way. I’m sure you could conjure up an image of some one posting something to a forum on the computer or someone telling friends how he feels when the subject is brought up.
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I could conjure that, but that would be a very watered down version of what Acolyte said. Here’s what he said:

“If a Catholic is aware that one is committing an act contrary to the love of God then it is an obligation of the Catholic motivated by charity to inform the person committing the act concerning the gravity of it.”

I suppose the Catholic could hide behind the anonymity of the nternet or talk to friends when the subject arises, but is that really what Acolyte means by “informing the person committing the act concerning the gravity of it?” Maybe Acolyte can tell us.
 
Honesty said:
There is more to a gay person than anal sex if that’s what’s disgusting you, Eireann and there are married straight couples who do that. But by the way, since you’re so focused on what goes on in other people’s bedrooms, don’t worry, that doesn’t appeal to me either, but maybe you should think what goes on in people’s hearts (including yours) rather than just their bedrooms.
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I’m not bothered what goes on in their bedrooms, it’s their souls not mine.
I don’t care if they’re homosexual, straight or any other way, I find anal sex disgusting no matter who performs it.
Lots of “gay bashing” sadly is carried out by people who claim to be Christian as this thread proves. Maybe we should rethink who exactly are the ones who should be censored….
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Actually not gay bashing, I’m pointing out my opinion on a vile disgusting act, like I posted up above.
It’s bad enough if they’re straight, but two men copulating is not right.

It’s not ok for man to lie down with man, unless of-course we don’t want to follow the Bible.

Leviticus 20:13 **If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination, let them be put to death: their blood be upon them. **

A very unChristian thing to say right there in the Bible if we go by your standards, and as for judging what is in peoples hearts, you’ve already judged what is in my heart, thank you, by saying self-righteous.
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I want to apologise for my last message, I didn’t mean to insult anyone and I certianly don’t think people’s responses should be censored.
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Sorry, viewed this a little late, apology accepted.
 
And yet, I think Sir Elton has a point. Somewhere along the line, dislike of homosexuality seems to have become a charism of Christianity, easily nosing out of the way concepts of Grace, love of God, self-sacrifice and all the other things I think of when I think of Christianity. Somehow, homosexuality became a far greater sin than unmarried sex between straight couples, even though they violate the same rule (no sex outside of marriage). Whatever the case, I don’t think it helps the cause of Christianity.
 
a_cermak said:
And yet, I think Sir Elton has a point. Somewhere along the line, dislike of homosexuality seems to have become a charism of Christianity, easily nosing out of the way concepts of Grace, love of God, self-sacrifice and all the other things I think of when I think of Christianity. Somehow, homosexuality became a far greater sin than unmarried sex between straight couples, even though they violate the same rule (no sex outside of marriage). Whatever the case, I don’t think it helps the cause of Christianity.
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Sometime ago before the forum crash, someone said and I believe them, that it isn’t just being homosexual that gets to some people.
We could put up with that, but they want same sex marriage be able allowed to adopt children, (scandalizing the little ones) not knowing who’s who gender wise.
When their marriage breaks up they want half their partners property.

The want gay priests etc; the list goes on, like I say being gay isn’t all that hard to accept, but they don’t seem satisfied with that.
And as I read on this forum, rainbow sash warriors disrupting Mass, (not the place to protest)
I know quite a few gays and lesbians here, I don’t pay their rent nor they mine, but they do seem to cut a rod for their own back by demanding more and more from society, especially the Catholic Church, but the Church won’t appease them.

So I don’t know if Eltons problem is with religion or more-so the Catholic Church, he did have a gripe over Pope Benedict Vxi appearing on live aid, accusing him of creating the problem in Africa, instead of people being responsible for their own downfall, and unfortunately passing it onto the innocent children.
 
Eireann said:
Sometime ago before the forum crash, someone said and I believe them, that it isn’t just being homosexual that gets to some people.
We could put up with that, but they want same sex marriage be able allowed to adopt children, (scandalizing the little ones) not knowing who’s who gender wise.
When their marriage breaks up they want half their partners property.

The want gay priests etc; the list goes on, like I say being gay isn’t all that hard to accept, but they don’t seem satisfied with that.
And as I read on this forum, rainbow sash warriors disrupting Mass, (not the place to protest)
I know quite a few gays and lesbians here, I don’t pay their rent nor they mine, but they do seem to cut a rod for their own back by demanding more and more from society, especially the Catholic Church, but the Church won’t appease them.

So I don’t know if Eltons problem is with religion or more-so the Catholic Church, he did have a gripe over Pope Benedict Vxi appearing on live aid, accusing him of creating the problem in Africa, instead of people being responsible for their own downfall, and unfortunately passing it onto the innocent children.
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So because some gays are vocal about wanting, in the case of society, not the Church, what they perceive as their civil rights; then its OK to hate homosexuality and to single it out as a terrible sin far worse than fornication amongst straights?

As to adoption, I know some families headed up by gay parents, some within my own family. I am sure, if you did an exhaustive survey that you would find that some gays make fantastic parents and some make dismal parents and a lot fall in between the two extremes, just like amongst straight parents. I suspect that gay parents don’t tend to get the perfect babies, as they would not be considered ideal parents in the case of open and private adoption arrangements and not many perfect babies are placed with public agencies. So the fact that they are adopting children at all is probably a benefit to society. Plus adoption is also wanted by gay parents because many gay people have children of their own that they would like their partner to adopt. This can be highly useful when you’re dealing with things like needing parent’s permission for things if the biological parent is unavailable. Or just the issue of a gay couple wanting to adopt the children of their blood relatives in order to give them a decent upbringing in the case of an untimely death of the original parents.

Yes, people should not disrupt Catholic masses. It’s rude. No question about it. However, I don’t believe an eye for an eye is the current teaching of Christianity.
 
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So because some gays are vocal about wanting, in the case of society, not the Church, what they perceive as their civil rights; then its OK to hate homosexuality and to single it out as a terrible sin far worse than fornication amongst straights?
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I don’t think I used the word hate, fornication among straights is also wrong.
You may call it civil liberties or whatever you want, but in the Catholic Church anyone straight or otherwise is not allowed to receive Holy Communion.
I don’t have a problem per-se with homosexuals, but the list does seem to go on and on.

And I don’t agree that two men living as lovers or otherwise is a good place to bring up children, you may well do, but no-one on this forum will convince me other–wise.
 
The danger from gay adoption is the kids will grow up to be married, happy, heterosexual, well adjusted, and productive members of society.
 
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