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michaeldaniels
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I think a lot of Catholics who are of the progressive and modernist flavor are going to be in for a rude awakening when it is my generation that becomes the priests and bishops of the Church…and a lot of the issues I opine about are met head on…we are fed up and this crayon, touchy feely, whatever makes you feel good Theology isn’t cutting it…we reject it. We want the truth. There isn’t a shortage of Catholics…and granted when The Church shifts back towards orthodoxy, we will surely lose some…but we don’t need several billion Catholics, but we do need good, faithful Catholics in The Church. Quality rather than quantity…that is important. Quality will breed quantity. On the other hand, if you have too many rotten apples, it will ruin the whole bunch.
I am glad that I can remain anonymous, because if some of you knew my true identity, I am sure there would be attempts to prevent my acceptance to Seminary and subsequent ordination (God Willing). Who knows, I may end up in your parish one day if ordained…God willing. Love you all and God Bless, Michael
I am glad that I can remain anonymous, because if some of you knew my true identity, I am sure there would be attempts to prevent my acceptance to Seminary and subsequent ordination (God Willing). Who knows, I may end up in your parish one day if ordained…God willing. Love you all and God Bless, Michael
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tweetymom
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God Bless you in your walk with God and I respect your beliefs, just do not agree with them, Thankfully God will be our judge in the end. Who would want to stop you from doing what God wants? If God is for you who can be against you? People cannot stop what God has ordained for you, short of death. So on your journey, be at peace and live up to what God wants of you.
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japhy
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Rather than attack other people or guess at their intentions – neither of which seems like a spiritually edifying Lenten practice to me – I am going to simply relay the mind of the Church on the matter of extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.
The faithful who are [extraordinary] ministers of communion must be persons whose good qualities of Christian life, faith, and morals recommend them. Let them strive to be worthy of this great office, foster their own devotion to the eucharist, and show an example to the rest of the faithful by their own devotion and reverence toward the most august sacrament of the altar. No one is to be chosen whose appointment the faithful might find disquieting. (Immensae Caritatis 1, VI)
This function [of extraordinary minister of Holy Communion] is supplementary and extraordinary and must be exercised in accordance with the norm of law. It is thus useful for the diocesan bishop to issue particular norms concerning extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion which, in complete harmony with the universal law of the Church, should regulate the exercise of this function in his diocese. Such norms should provide, amongst other things, for matters such as the instruction in eucharistic doctrine of those chosen to be extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, the meaning of the service they provide, the rubrics to be observed, the reverence to be shown for such an august Sacrament and instruction concerning the discipline on admission to Holy Communion. (Ecclesiae de Mysterio Art. 8)
Extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion should receive sufficient spiritual, theological, and practical preparation to fulfill their role with knowledge and reverence. (USCCB Norms on Communion under Both Kinds 28)
The faithful who are [extraordinary] ministers of communion must be persons whose good qualities of Christian life, faith, and morals recommend them. Let them strive to be worthy of this great office, foster their own devotion to the eucharist, and show an example to the rest of the faithful by their own devotion and reverence toward the most august sacrament of the altar. No one is to be chosen whose appointment the faithful might find disquieting. (Immensae Caritatis 1, VI)
This function [of extraordinary minister of Holy Communion] is supplementary and extraordinary and must be exercised in accordance with the norm of law. It is thus useful for the diocesan bishop to issue particular norms concerning extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion which, in complete harmony with the universal law of the Church, should regulate the exercise of this function in his diocese. Such norms should provide, amongst other things, for matters such as the instruction in eucharistic doctrine of those chosen to be extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, the meaning of the service they provide, the rubrics to be observed, the reverence to be shown for such an august Sacrament and instruction concerning the discipline on admission to Holy Communion. (Ecclesiae de Mysterio Art. 8)
Extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion should receive sufficient spiritual, theological, and practical preparation to fulfill their role with knowledge and reverence. (USCCB Norms on Communion under Both Kinds 28)
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Sir_Knight
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I will pray for you that you do get accepted into the Seminary and are ordained a priest AND that you are assigned to a Bishop whose views you disagree with. Then your faith will be put to the test. Will you be obedient to your Church superiors (one of the vows that you will take upon becoming a priest) or will you follow your own will as you seem to be doing here showing little regard to what the church teaches if it does not agree with your view of things?
For example: If your bishop tells you that you WILL have EMHC every week to assist with the distribution of Communion. Will you obey? Something to think about before you invest all of that time in the Seminary.
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benedictgal
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Japhy, that last quote certainly bears repeating. Often, EMHCs, as I have experienced it, are not given sufficient “spiritual, theological and practical preparation.” At our Cathedral, the EMHCs still approach the altar during the Sign of Peace and some of them still assist in the purification, even though the administrator and his predecessor have been told that the EMHCs should not approach until after the celebrant has communicated. At other parishes, not only do the EMHCs approach the altar at the improper time, some of them come forward and engage in a particular practice during the Pater Noster with the celebrant around the altar and one goes and retrieves the Ciborium from the Tabernacle. Retrieving the ciborium from the Tabernacle is also, unfortunately, commonplace at many of our parishes. This is a huge problem.
At my parish, my pastor has trained us to follow the GIRM. Unfortunately, when visiting priests come (who may not necessarily follow the GIRM), this causes a lot of confusion. I told one of them before Mass (when it was my turn to assist) that I cannot go to the Tabernacle to retrieve the Ciborium and replace it. That was his duty. Furthermore, I would not be approaching until after he received. He had a puzzled look, but, after I showed him in the GIRM, that cleared it up.
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benedictgal
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However, I think what he is referring to (and I don’t want to type words into his post), is that, lamentably, there are some bishops and priests who are not in accord with the liturgical norms and mandates of the Church. Were this not so, the Holy See would not have had to promulgate documents like Ecclesia de Mysterio and Redemptionis Sacramentum to reiterate what can and cannot be done during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
The bishops are just as much bound to obedience as the priests under their care are. Cardinals, in particular, take a particular vow of obedience to the Church and to the Holy Father to the point of martyrdom.
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michaeldaniels
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Exactly Benedictgal…and I was emphasizing when “my generation” becomes the Bishops, hence the leadership…and there are those like-minded as I in power…there are a bunch of us that want to return to the ways I have been discussing…there are a greater number of young men in my age bracket that think like me than you can imagine…so while myself and others might have to obey our Bishops obediently while they are the bishops, sooner or later priest of my generation will be elevated and it is then when some real progress can be made…
and to you Sir Knight, it never ceases to amaze me the hostility that one encounters for desiring to try to return to a more reverent and respectful time and form of worship…Why must I be a bad, disobedient person, just because as a priest, I would offer both the TLM and OF daily, have only ordained priest or deacons distribute Holy Communion, have the parishioners kneel to receive (unless they are unable to), and to have them receive on the tongue? Why is that such a bad thing??? Why would that make me a disobedient rebel? And if I were a priest, I came into your parish requesting that these changes be made and followed, as a Knight, especially a 4th Degree Knight, I would expect your cooperation and support…am I wrong? In solidarity right?
and to you Sir Knight, it never ceases to amaze me the hostility that one encounters for desiring to try to return to a more reverent and respectful time and form of worship…Why must I be a bad, disobedient person, just because as a priest, I would offer both the TLM and OF daily, have only ordained priest or deacons distribute Holy Communion, have the parishioners kneel to receive (unless they are unable to), and to have them receive on the tongue? Why is that such a bad thing??? Why would that make me a disobedient rebel? And if I were a priest, I came into your parish requesting that these changes be made and followed, as a Knight, especially a 4th Degree Knight, I would expect your cooperation and support…am I wrong? In solidarity right?
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whatevergirl
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*’‘in power??’’ 
I don’t disagree with what you say here michael, but if your desire is to create a sterile environment where the rubrics of the parish need to be strictly followed without love for the congregation…and a genuine appetite for listening to your ‘‘flock’’, what will you gain? Jesus taught that ‘‘the greatest of these’’ is love…sometimes, we lose that message if we become too legalistic. Again, I’m not disagreeing…there needs to be reform in the Church, but not at the risk of appearing legalistic. And priests are not ‘‘in power’’ over lay people…we all must answer to the same God. *
I don’t disagree with what you say here michael, but if your desire is to create a sterile environment where the rubrics of the parish need to be strictly followed without love for the congregation…and a genuine appetite for listening to your ‘‘flock’’, what will you gain? Jesus taught that ‘‘the greatest of these’’ is love…sometimes, we lose that message if we become too legalistic. Again, I’m not disagreeing…there needs to be reform in the Church, but not at the risk of appearing legalistic. And priests are not ‘‘in power’’ over lay people…we all must answer to the same God. *
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Sir_Knight
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That is my point exactly. Obedience to our church leaders – the Pope, bishop, priest. If my priest, in union with our bishop, tells us that we are to receive communion only on the tongue, then that is what we do. If they say that it is alright to receive it in the hand, then we don’t question that either. If they say the EMHCs are to to be used only in extreme cases, then that is the way that it is. If they decide that they are needed EVERY week, then we don’t question that either. Unless they are doing something in direct opposition to Rome, we owe them our obedience.
Why the hostility? Because in many of your posts you seem to imply that these “new ways” (communion in the hand, etc.) are wrong. If they are approved by the Church, they can not be wrong!
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michaeldaniels
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Sorry…in power was used for lack of a better word at the time…perhaps I should have said, “charged with sheperding and leading” the faithful…does that have a better ring ?
Now sometimes, teachings can be harsh, but if it is the truth, you can’t back away from it out of fear of losing some people…look at the Gospels when Jesus lost followers over his teachings about The Eucharist…he didn’t fold or change because people left him…we must be prepared to defend what is right at all costs at all times…don’t you agree?
Now sometimes, teachings can be harsh, but if it is the truth, you can’t back away from it out of fear of losing some people…look at the Gospels when Jesus lost followers over his teachings about The Eucharist…he didn’t fold or change because people left him…we must be prepared to defend what is right at all costs at all times…don’t you agree?''in power??’’
I don’t disagree with what you say here michael, but if your desire is to create a sterile environment where the rubrics of the parish need to be strictly followed without love for the congregation…and a genuine appetite for listening to your ‘‘flock’’, what will you gain? Jesus taught that ‘‘the greatest of these’’ is love…sometimes, we lose that message if we become too legalistic. Again, I’m not disagreeing…there needs to be reform in the Church, but not at the risk of appearing legalistic. And priests are not ‘‘in power’’ over lay people…we all must answer to the same God.
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tweetymom
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I might add whatever you do, do in the Love of God and not on your own. As I have said God be with you on your walk with God.
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michaeldaniels
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I would never disobey or advocate it…however, I can question and object…however out of obedience I still follow. I do think that in the future though, this practice will fall to the wayside along with other modern practices…that is all I am saying. I don’t have to understand or even like it…but out of obedience I will accept and do what I am told…and continue praying that The Holy Spirit will guide the powers that be to fix the situation
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Sir_Knight
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Are you implying that the current church leadership is doing things which are not “right”?Sorry…in power was used for lack of a better word at the time…perhaps I should have said, “charged with sheperding and leading” the faithful…does that have a better ring ?
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tweetymom
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If you defend in love and peace, that God gives.Sorry…in power was used for lack of a better word at the time…perhaps I should have said, “charged with sheperding and leading” the faithful…does that have a better ring ?
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michaeldaniels
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Sir Knight in light of Church History, are you implying that it is impossible for the Church and Her Leadership to err in some things? I am not making an accusation and saying for sure they are engaging in something that isn’t right…there is however evidence to support it is an abuse that should stop and it is possible that it isn’t right and that with time they will learn this and end it.
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Sir_Knight
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Again, are you implying that the current situation is broken? If it needs “fixing”, then it must be broken. Are you saying that our Pope & Bishops have led us down the wrong path? If not, then what needs fixing? If so, then what of Christ’s promise to alway to with the Church and to guide it in all truths and keep the gates of hell from over-coming it?
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michaeldaniels
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Sir_Knight
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I’m saying that the OFFICIAL Church is incapable of misguiding it’s members with regards to the truth of the faith. We have Jesus’s promise on that.
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michaeldaniels
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How does one minute problem, in the whole scope of the Church, constitute as the gates of hell from over coming the Church…that quite frankly just asinine and I expected a more intellectual approach from you Sir Knight. Did the Gates of Hell prevail when we had scoundrel popes? No Cardinal Richielieu? No…my point being is that there will me some mistakes made (of course not doctrinal or anything of that magnitude) and there will be some setbacks along the way throughout Church history, but that in no way means the Church has been defeated and Christ promise was bogus…these minor problems and mistakes are all ordained by God in order to achieve a bigger and higher purpose…to get us to focus on something that may not be clear to us yet in order for the Church to thrive and be really successful in the future. Do you understand what I am trying to say?
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