"Emilia Clarke reveals Hollywood's other #MeToo problem"

[Cricket13]

This reminded me of this weird fact I learn in art history that every nude image of a woman, (besides religious depictions of biblical stories like Susana and the elders) that was painted with respect to her dignity, had to be called “Venus” in some way or be a nymph. Because it wasn’t appropriate to paint, even in respect to the model, a nude woman that was mortal or showed to give away her real identity.

 

[ATraveller]

I’ve never watched the show before.
This performance (16 minutes) from a soundtrack concert recommended by algorithms on YouTube a few weeks ago is good enough for me. I think it counts as watching the show.

Nothing impressive about the music. And definitely still no interest in watching the show. Like most soundtracks, it could work with pretty much any fantasy show or movie.
Unfortunately, now I wish I had talent so I could be a professional musician in an orchestra. It looks like fun. That or a conductor. Being paid to wave my arms around and make faces, I think that’s even more fun.

 

[meltzerboy2]

But surely he understood that context plays a role. I doubt Archbishop Sheen objected to great works of art that displayed nude women. And in film, I think in certain contexts it may be called for, such as depicting the horrors of the Holocaust or slavery, or even less shocking situations, as well as nudity related to culture. Context can make all the difference in the visual (and acoustic) media.

 

[Freddy]

Snarky! The Cistine art was painted under a not-so-pornographic culture, IIRC.

Can we please be adults?

You said anything except spouse or baby. I said art. Don’t give me a hard time because that wasn’t one of your inclusions. The very essence of the question is how we differentiate between art and that which might be termed erotic and that which could be described as porn.

You suggested simply seeing naked bodies. Well that was obviously a non starter. Perhaps you could define it a little more accurately next time.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

For some it is also empowering (weaponizing their sexuality so to speak. Ever hear the saying “women control men”?). Women have long used sex as a form of power. Opening a history book and also studying sociology will tell you that.

You don’t even have to open those books. Just read Scripture and it will tell you that.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

When I was walking through the Sistene Chapel. But we’d all agree that that’s art.

Actually a lot of people thought the Sistine Chapel was porn when it was new.

How the Sistine Chapel spawned a public relations nightmare

When Michelangelo’s ambitious paintings premiered in the sixteenth century, they touched off a very modern-sounding social media scandal, says art historian Elizabeth Lev.

ideas.ted.com

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I’ve never watched the show before.

It’s got a really great episode with a bear.
I would recommend watching that one, just to see the bear.
He’s a famous bear actor.
Just be aware he is bear naked in the episode.

 

[ATraveller]

Bart the Bear

Bart the Bear

www.imdb.com

 

[Lea101]

She became an actress and signed on with HBO in today’s environment. It is very hard for me to believe that anybody forced her to make those decisions.

I think this is a lack of understanding about the industry. Actors do not have as much power as you think, especially for her case where she wasn’t as known as she is now.

I believe once she became more well known, she told them that she wouldn’t be nude unless it was very ‘necessary’. Of course her definition of necessary and ours would be very different, but it shows that she actually tried to protect herself when she had the ability to.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

It’s actually Bart the Bear II in Game of Thrones. He is a slightly smaller bear trained by the same trainer as was the original Bart the Bear.

The original Bart the Bear starred in “Legends of the Fall”, “The Bear” and “The Edge” and also handed an envelope to Mike Myers at the Academy Awards. He died of cancer.

 

[Pai_Nosso]

I don’t understand what this woman Emilia Clarke is even complaining about.
She knew what was required of her when she signed the contract. At that stage she was a no-name actress and so had no issue with a nude scene. Only now after the show made her famous does she feel like she has the right to claim some kind of sexual abuse.
Total rubbish, she signed a contract to get nude on camera only to now claim “metoo”.

 

[jack63]

Actors do not have as much power as you think

I would be sincerely curious if she was simply unable to find a part in another one of the ~85% of shows and movies where actors and actresses keep their clothing on. No doubt playing Daenerys is a massive career changing role, but was this really the only good opportunity she had?

 

[blackforest]

People can regret things they’ve done.

This was my take on it. Clarke realized she was doing something wrong, gathered the support she needed, and stood up to her employer for treating her like a piece of meat. There’s a glimmer of hope in Hollywood women finally standing up to the whole “mandatory s_x scene” gambit.

She knew what was required of her when she signed the contract.

You aren’t glad to see that she’s now standing up to it? As a Catholic and feminist, I’d rather see her do that then continue on unfettered with future nude scenes.

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

None of this will stop nude scenes. That takes the courage of people willing to not get the job, not of those who did it and don’t have to anymore. Anyone who says they will do whatever it takes rather than work in one of the thousands of other careers is the one that keeps it going.

 

[twf]

People on this thread are coming across as very judgmental and harsh. Wow. Surely Catholics should applaud her speaking out against the pressure for women actresses to do shots nude, regardless of her past choices or circumstances.

 

[jack63]

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) Pai_Nosso:

She knew what was required of her when she signed the contract.

It is not about whether she stood up or for herself or not. It’s that the article doesn’t get reality correct.

She came from nowhere and got the part of a lifetime in part because she was willing to do very graphic scenes on an HBO series that might have been forgotten…I mean GoT ratings weren’t that good for the first season.

No doubt she became a very good actress, but she struggled that first season. Right now there are dozens of actresses struggling with their careers in soap operas that are more talented than Emilia was when she started GoT.

She made a choice that many actresses would not make, and she seems to be portraying it as something other than a choice. Honestly, she’d do better by feminists to accept that she made a choice and either discuss alternatives or discuss why her choice was not a good one.

 

[LilyM]

blackforest:

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) Pai_Nosso:

She knew what was required of her when she signed the contract.

It is not about whether she stood up or for herself or not. It’s that the article doesn’t get reality correct.

She came from nowhere and got the part of a lifetime in part because she was willing to do very graphic scenes on an HBO series that might have been forgotten…I mean GoT ratings weren’t that good for the first season.

No doubt she became a very good actress, but she struggled that first season. Right now there are dozens of actresses struggling with their careers in soap operas that are more talented than Emilia was when she started GoT.

She made a choice that many actresses would not make, and she seems to be portraying it as something other than a choice. Honestly, she’d do better by feminists to accept that she made a choice and either discuss alternatives or discuss why her choice was not a good one.

I don’t think she’s portraying it as something other than a choice, I think she is portraying it as a choice made from a position where people other than her had the upper hand. Like I said earlier, there are dozens of aspiring actresses around for every role, nude or otherwise, so I tend to believe her.

Some women, thank God, manage to resist the pressure and take the high road, but that doesn’t mean the pressures aren’t real and heavy, nor does it mean the choice is always (or usually) free and unfettered.

If we were talking about something else, say a poor person starting out in the finance industry who is pressured by their mentors and bosses to act unethically and succumbs to that pressure, would you be so quick to say “they knew what they were getting themselves into and could easily have done otherwise”? Somehow I doubt it.

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

I think she is portraying it as a choice made from a position where people other than her had the upper hand.

What does that even mean? You make it sound like she can’t do one of thousands of other things to make a living. She absolutely could have.

but that doesn’t mean the pressures aren’t real and heavy,

Yes, the devil will offer you a lot to sell your soul so long as you’re not going to sell it for less.

say a poor person starting out in the finance industry who is pressured by their mentors and bosses to act unethically and succumbs to that pressure, would you be so quick to say “they knew what they were getting themselves into and could easily have done otherwise”?

Other than knowing what they were getting into, yes, they could easily have done otherwise. The difference is we all know and have known for decades that hollywood is a cesspool where women who want in have been expected to prostitute themselves on and off screen. All these women allow themselves to be used because they do not resist the temptations of fame and fortune. Your example is no different. He should refuse to do the evil thing, but instead he refuses to resist the temptation of wealth.

If the devil tempts me to sin and I do so, is the devil the only one who is guilty?

 

[po18guy]

If that was what we were exposed to, the world would be a better place.

 

[LilyM]

LilyM:

I think she is portraying it as a choice made from a position where people other than her had the upper hand.

What does that even mean? You make it sound like she can’t do one of thousands of other things to make a living. She absolutely could have.

but that doesn’t mean the pressures aren’t real and heavy,

Yes, the devil will offer you a lot to sell your soul so long as you’re not going to sell it for less.

say a poor person starting out in the finance industry who is pressured by their mentors and bosses to act unethically and succumbs to that pressure, would you be so quick to say “they knew what they were getting themselves into and could easily have done otherwise”?

Other than knowing what they were getting into, yes, they could easily have done otherwise. The difference is we all know and have known for decades that hollywood is a cesspool where women who want in have been expected to prostitute themselves on and off screen. All these women allow themselves to be used because they do not resist the temptations of fame and fortune. Your example is no different. He should refuse to do the evil thing, but instead he refuses to resist the temptation of wealth.

If the devil tempts me to sin and I do so, is the devil the only one who is guilty?

If the devil tempts me to sin and I do so, is.the devil guiltless?

What exactly do you think Our Lord meant when He said “whoever causes one of these little ones to sin …”? Makes no sense.given that you seem to think everything is the fault of the “little one”.