"Emilia Clarke reveals Hollywood's other #MeToo problem"

[Aquinas11]

You haven’t addressed the point. Just used conclusions (“puritanical”, “a leap”, etc) without addressing why you believe the nudity can be practically limited to only those films like historical events where its warranted. Conclusions aren’t arguments.

 

[aper1]

You haven’t addressed the point. Just used conclusions (“puritanical”, “a leap”, etc) without addressing why you believe the nudity can be practically limited to only those films like historical events where its warranted.

The same can be said of why you believe (compared to other artistic pieces):

no, movies are unique in this context.

Providing premises to all conclusions in a forum isn’t a requirement until asked, nor was it truly the point. My intention is not to write a dissertation, but express conclusions. If asked, then I can expound. Nevertheless, you leapfrog my response to ask your own question. Very well.

Is truth and accuracy not important in a historical film? Is not portraying the dehumanizing conditions in the Holocaust part of the atrocities suffered? I imagine you could dress the actors with minimal clothing and run a subtitle underneath informing the audience that they were actually nude, but it just doesn’t have the same gravitas, no?

 

[Aquinas11]

Ok I see, you just wanted to provide baseless conclusions. IN that case, I’ll move on.

 

[blackforest]

I would think movies like Schindler’s List require the use of nudity not only for historical accuracy, but for people to grasp the gravity of the situation these people suffered in.

To be fair, there’s also a very gratuitous sex scene in that movie that didn’t need to be there.

2019: She pretends she didn’t know she agreed to get naked to further cash in, under #metoo

Did you read the article? She never pretended. She just decided she’d had enough. I’d hope that a forum full of Catholics would be all over applauding this decision.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

I’d hope that a forum full of Catholics would be all over applauding this decision.

No, you have a good point.

At the same time a lot of us remember how Hollywood pushed really hard, show creators and actresses too, to include nudity in their productions and those of us who objected were portrayed as crazy religious nutters…

 

[blackforest]

If Christ didn’t preach so much about humility, we could enjoy our I-told-you-so moment.

 

[Aquinas11]

Did you read the article? She never pretended.

ARTICLE: “Clarke recalls thinking when she first got ahold of the script, looking at the “f— ton of nudity” and sex scenes”

ARTICLE: ““I have no idea what I’m doing. I have no idea what any of this is. I’ve never been on a film set like this before. I’d been on a film set twice before then. And now I’m on a film set completely naked with all of these people,” she said, explaining that she felt “impostor syndrome.” "And I don’t know what I’m meant to do and I don’t know what’s expected of me and I don’t know what you want and I don’t know what I want,” she added

I just mean it seems that there is a major inconsistency there between her initially reading the script and knowing it has nudity/sex and then saying she has no idea what’s expected of her. I can’t make sense of that without her pretending. Perhaps she didn’t understand the gravity of what those scenes entailed, which would make more sense, but that’s not what I’m reading her say.

 

[blackforest]

These are consistent statements. She knew she had to do it. When it came time to do it, she felt inhibited, i.e. as in not knowing what she was doing, and eventually came around to speaking out about it. I admire her greatly for this.

 

[Aquinas11]

she felt inhibited, i.e. as in not knowing what she was doing

ok so its something like she didn’t fully understand the gravity of what the scenes entailed at the time she agreed to them? I can see that point of view. Disagree with it, but I at least can empathize with it. Kind of like when you agree to a roommate but then after a month are like this guy is crazy and want him gone

 

[LilyM]

blackforest:

Did you read the article? She never pretended.

ARTICLE: “Clarke recalls thinking when she first got ahold of the script, looking at the “f— ton of nudity” and sex scenes”

ARTICLE: ““I have no idea what I’m doing. I have no idea what any of this is. I’ve never been on a film set like this before. I’d been on a film set twice before then. And now I’m on a film set completely naked with all of these people,” she said, explaining that she felt “impostor syndrome.” "And I don’t know what I’m meant to do and I don’t know what’s expected of me and I don’t know what you want and I don’t know what I want,” she added

I just mean it seems that there is a major inconsistency there between her initially reading the script and knowing it has nudity/sex and then saying she has no idea what’s expected of her. I can’t make sense of that without her pretending. Perhaps she didn’t understand the gravity of what those scenes entailed, which would make more sense, but that’s not what I’m reading her say.

You really think seeing a scene written on a page is the same as actually getting onto a stage or in a studio and doing it? Especialy if it is something you’ve never seen written - or have never done - before?

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

I told them so by never going to movies and cutting off cable, netflix, hulu or any other “service”.

 

[Aquinas11]

You really think seeing a scene written on a page is the same as actually getting onto a stage or in a studio and doing it?

No because one involves reading a piece of paper and the other involves getting on a stage. Those are different actions. What an absurd suggestion.

 

[Wesrock]

ARTICLE: ““I have no idea what I’m doing. I have no idea what any of this is. I’ve never been on a film set like this before. I’d been on a film set twice before then. And now I’m on a film set completely naked with all of these people,” she said, explaining that she felt “impostor syndrome.” "And I don’t know what I’m meant to do and I don’t know what’s expected of me and I don’t know what you want and I don’t know what I want,” she added

I just mean it seems that there is a major inconsistency there between her initially reading the script and knowing it has nudity/sex and then saying she has no idea what’s expected of her. I can’t make sense of that without her pretending.

She means she’d never been on a production like that before, she was a small fish suddenly in a huge pond. She felt lost as an actor and how to use her voice. Both in general and in a nude role, standing nude on set, in which she never had cameras like that on her before.

She’s not saying she was surprised about getting nude after reading a script in which she gets nude.

 

[Aquinas11]

She means she’d never been on a production like that before, she was a small fish suddenly in a huge pond. She felt lost as an actor and how to use her voice.

She’s not saying she was surprised about getting nude after reading a script in which she gets nude.

yes I conceded that possibility in the section of the quote you cut out

. Perhaps she didn’t understand the gravity of what those scenes entailed, which would make more sense, but that’s not what I’m reading her say.

 

[Wesrock]

Part of it, based on previous posts about Williams dictating what she wouldn’t due in a nude scene and Clarke later putting her foot down, means she didn’t know what kind of (name removed by moderator)ut she was allowed to speak up about at the time, either, as far as direction goes. But also, just the whirlwind of the production in general.

 

[aper1]

To be fair, there’s also a very gratuitous sex scene in that movie that didn’t need to be there.

Very true.

 

[Pai_Nosso]

I never said or implied that.

She got in over head, realized she was doing something wrong that made her feel uncomfortable, and finally gathered the courage to speak out.

I’ve made some stupid choices in my youth because I felt under pressure and didn’t have the moxie to stand up for myself. That didn’t make those choices right. But if we can pull the plank out of our self-righteous eyes, I think a lot of us who’ve lived long enough can admit we’ve been in a situation where we struggled to keep healthy boundaries and do the right thing.

We’re Catholic, for crying out loud. This is how sin and reconciliation work! She’s probably not Catholic, but good grief, she has a conscience.

This is an article about empowerment, not victimhood.

Or would you rather see her continue to strip for the camera?

We’ve all made regretful decisions in the past.

However this is labelled as a “#metoo problem” which means a man has to now suffer for her change of heart. A man that simply made her an offer. There is no metoo problem. Don’t start blaming men for your own regretful decisions now as well. The title of the article should be “Emilia Clarke now says she regrets going nude to become rich and famous”

 

[blackforest]

However this is labelled as a “ #metoo problem ”

To be clear, the media gave it this label, not Ms. Clarke.

which means a man has to now suffer for her change of heart. A man that simply made her an offer.

Oh, come on! A man (or men, or women blinded by the sex-sells mentality), made a conscious choice to demand that a woman show her nudity in an erotic scene on camera - for millions of viewers - as a condition of employment. In our faith, this is called a sin.

So let’s pretty-please stop portraying these powers-that-be as helpless victims. Clarke owned up to her actions. Let’s hope that she opened some eyes, and the directors and producers own up to theirs, #listentowomen, and start producing shows that respect them better.

 

[Zaccheus]

which means a man has to now suffer for her change of heart. A man that simply made her an offer.

“Do this or lose your job and maybe your livelihood.”

And what suffering? The producers now have one less actress willing to do nude scenes. Do you think they’re going to lose their jobs over this?

 

[Pai_Nosso]

To be clear, the media gave it this label, not Ms. Clarke.

That’s what im afraid of.

Oh, come on! A man (or men, or women blinded by the sex-sells mentality), made a conscious choice to demand that a woman show her nudity in an erotic scene on camera - for millions of viewers - as a condition of employment. In our faith, this is called a sin.

So let’s pretty-please stop portraying these powers-that-be as helpless victims. Clarke owned up to her actions. Let’s hope that she opened some eyes, and the directors and producers own up to theirs, #listentowomen, and start producing shows that respect them better.

You think someone demanded her to do this now? Because in the previous post you said it was her choice. So do you think it was her decision or that she was forced?

Here is how I think it happened. The producers interviewed candidates for the role. These candidates are fully informed on what is expected of them and the script they are to follow. Only people who agree to the requirements of the job would apply for it. How then did these producers commit a crime?