"Emilia Clarke reveals Hollywood's other #MeToo problem"

[phil19034]

LilyM:

To be fair, she was young and starting out in an industry where it is notoriously difficult to get any work at all.

Did she have to be an actress? Frankly, St. John Chrysostom was right about theater.

Theatre is a total profession filled with sin. Always has been, always will be

 

[Pai_Nosso]

“Do this or lose your job and maybe your livelihood.”

Im not sure where u quoted that from but if “this” is a part of your contract then yes you do rightfully lose your job. How about “Here are millions of dollars if you just sign here to agree to these conditions”

And what suffering? The producers now have one less actress willing to do nude scenes. Do you think they’re going to lose their jobs over this?

I was referring to the suffering of the potential law suits on the producers. The suffering of potential jail time

 

[Emeraldlady]

MiserereMeiDei:

LilyM:

To be fair, she was young and starting out in an industry where it is notoriously difficult to get any work at all.

Did she have to be an actress? Frankly, St. John Chrysostom was right about theater.

Theatre is a total profession filled with sin. Always has been, always will be

Do you not watch movies and TV shows?

 

[Emeraldlady]

What did you think of Harvey Weinstein? Should he have been allowed to continue to have the power he had in Hollywood to employ only certain ‘types’ of women and be able to blacklist the rest because of his connections?

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

MiserereMeiDei:

LilyM:

To be fair, she was young and starting out in an industry where it is notoriously difficult to get any work at all.

Did she have to be an actress? Frankly, St. John Chrysostom was right about theater.

Theatre is a total profession filled with sin. Always has been, always will be

Do you not watch movies and TV shows?

Strawman.

I didn’t say all movies and shows are filled with sin, nor did I say all actors are sinning in their profession.

I said the profession (aka the industry) is filled with sin.

Didn’t say 100% of stuff was sinful. If that was the case, I would not be a big fan of FORMED.org

 

[Emeraldlady]

But you could say that about every profession. Sadly even the Priesthood.

 

[blackforest]

Here is how I think it happened. The producers interviewed candidates for the role. These candidates are fully informed on what is expected of them and the script they are to follow. Only people who agree to the requirements of the job would apply for it.

Of course. Clarke was aware of that.

How then did these producers commit a crime?

It’s not illegal. It’s a sin. And Catholic or not, it’s a degrading way to treat women. Do you agree?

 

[LilyM]

Zaccheus:

“Do this or lose your job and maybe your livelihood.”

Im not sure where u quoted that from but if “this” is a part of your contract then yes you do rightfully lose your job. How about “Here are millions of dollars if you just sign here to agree to these conditions”

And what suffering? The producers now have one less actress willing to do nude scenes. Do you think they’re going to lose their jobs over this?

I was referring to the suffering of the potential law suits on the producers. The suffering of potential jail time

Have you seen.her.contract? I.don"t know if acting contracts say anything specific about nude scenes.

Never heard of anyone being sued for having a nude scene in a tv or. movie script either (provided the rating allows for same) or.for asking an actor or actress to participate (As long as they are not underage).

But I think discussion needs to be had about the extent to which power imbalances, and undue pressure resulting from them, factor into actors and actresses participating in such things.

It seems.to.disproportiomately be younger.and less.well-known actors who.do.such scenes. And that many who do so early in their careers tend not to once they are established. In.other.words, once they have, or maybe feel they have, more.freedom.to say no.

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

Do you not watch movies and TV shows?

I’ll eat that red herring. No I do not.

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

What did you think of Harvey Weinstein?

Isn’t he a rapist who also did weird things with plants as well as tempt morally lax women with the possibility of fame and fortune in exchange for sex?

Should he have been allowed to continue to have the power he had in Hollywood

Had he not been arrested he would be back in business in a few years doing exactly the same thing and women would have been lining up around the block for the chance that he would make them rich and famous. Other than being arrested, I’m not sure where allowed comes into this. He’s hardly unique in Hollywood.

certain ‘types’ of women

morally lax women?

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

Solid argument.

Not so much. It should have been brought down like the ones before it. But as I understand it, disagreeing makes me a particularly bad type of person. Some might even say unforgivable.

 

[Pai_Nosso]

It’s not illegal. It’s a sin. And Catholic or not, it’s a degrading way to treat women. Do you agree?

Yes it is a sin and I agree that displaying nudity is degrading to both sexes.
As far as “treat women” goes in this case I just see a job offer and people who choose to apply for it. You can question the morality of the producers but there is no criminal case to answer to so attaching the #metoo tag is totally wrong.

There is no #metoo, no witch hunt, no scape goat to find, no man to blame, no crime committed. Just someone who was tempted by an offer which she regrets she took.

 

[phil19034]

What other profession convinces young girls to take their clothes off in an interview, in order to determine whether they are sexy enough for the part?

In other professions, the women straight up know that they are sleeping their way to the top or being sexually harassed / abused.

In entertainment industry, many young women are conned into stripping for unnecessary nude/sex scenes.

They are been convincing young women to strip under the cover of “art” so they can fulfill their peeping tom fantasies. It’s really just sick.

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

I’ve changed careers before. It’s not that hard. As I understand it she even had a large financial cushion to get her through the transition and pay for any educational expenses.

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

What other profession convinces young girls to take their clothes off in an interview, in order to determine whether they are sexy enough for the part?

Pornography, but that’s not really a different profession, is it?

 

[Rozellelily]

Personally I think when it’s gratuitous.
Like nudity for nudities sake for example something like Fast times at Ridgemont high.
On the other hand nudity in a show about body dysmorphia disorder or plastic surgery show (like Botched) to me is fine.

 

[po18guy]

My comments are a reaction to living in a culture and society which has been saturated with, and this desensitized to nudity as it relates to sexuality. There is a larger, unseen agenda at work here in the spiritual realm.

Art? OK
Medicine? OK
PG-13 through X? Not OK.

 

[Lea101]

I respectfully and strongly disagree with this. She signed on to HBO , and she was at least talented enough to get a role in a soap opera where many young actresses and actors start. She would not have needed to bare all in a soap opera.

Seems like a stretch. It’s not like GOT was her first audition. If you’re a wannabe actress, you would have an agent that would try to get you auditions for a series of projects. She would have went through auditions/faced rejections before she went to HBO. You’re assuming it’s easy to get a job that will lead you somewhere in Hollywood.

The soap opera reference seems extremely outdated tbh. Actors in them now are not taken seriously and it is not an ideal place to start either way. You’re also assuming she would have been easily hired. Like I said, there are plenty of actors struggling to get a role. Being selected for an in demand role is extremely difficult, and you even have A listers competing with each other.

There are many talented people out there who can’t get roles. Acting isn’t a meritocratic industry. Most of the stars we see today experienced a stroke of luck. For Emilia, I believe the GOT producers liked her personality and immediately picked her.

I respectfully and strongly disagree with this

Why? Is it not true that there’s a point in time where she didn’t want to be nude, but had to due to contractual obligations and fear of being blacklisted? It doesn’t matter if she was willing or even excited to do a sex scene before, my point is that there’s a point where that changed and she didn’t want nudity anymore. But she couldn’t back out of it.

Catholics are taught humility and taught to accept that they are sinners in confession. That is what is missing from this article.

Your mistake is applying Catholic morals onto a secular woman. Of course she would fail in this regard, she wasn’t uncomfortable with nudity because it’s a sin. She wasn’t okay with being seen naked in general. Like most people.

You really think seeing a scene written on a page is the same as actually getting onto a stage or in a studio and doing it? Especialy if it is something you’ve never seen written - or have never done - before?

Actors don’t usually get scripts before they sign the contract anyway, or else scripts would have been leaked. I don’t know about GOT specifically, but it is usually the protocol when developing a show.

 

[Zaccheus]

You think someone demanded her to do this now? Because in the previous post you said it was her choice. So do you think it was her decision or that she was forced?

They demanded this as a condition of employment. She chcse to submit. That does not mean it was not a demand.

Only people who agree to the requirements of the job would apply for it

Only people who submit to the demand can have the job. That does not mean it was not a demand.

How then did these producers commit a crime?

Nobody claims they committed a crime. The claim is that they committed a sin. That what they did was wrong, not that it was illegal.

How about “Here are millions of dollars if you just sign here to agree to these conditions”

Do you really think most actresses get ‘millions of dollars’ if they agree to nude scenes? Emilia Clarke may now have reached a point at which she can command high pay, but do you think she started out highly paid?

I was referring to the suffering of the potential law suits on the producers. The suffering of potential jail time

Did Emilia Clarke sue her producers? And who, at any point, has threatened them with jail?

 

[Lea101]

As far as “treat women” goes in this case I just see a job offer and people who choose to apply for it. You can question the morality of the producers but there is no criminal case to answer to so attaching the #metoo tag is totally wrong.

There is no #metoo, no witch hunt, no scape goat to find, no man to blame, no crime committed. Just someone who was tempted by an offer which she regrets she took.

There are things that are legal that are immoral and should be called out. Do you agree?

From a moral standpoint, she should have walked away and face the consequences (being sued and never being able to act again) of choosing the right thing in a degenerate society. I don’t think anybody is debating that. People here pray to people who were killed for being Catholic, lol

But it doesn’t mean that she wasn’t a victim.

You can question the morality of the producers but there is no criminal case to answer to so attaching the #metoo tag is totally wrong.

Metoo isn’t about criminal cases though. It’s generally about how women are sexualised and are pressured by terrible men. I think that part slipped through the cracks because people kept thinking it was about crimes committed against women. She’s not saying she was assaulted or raped, she was essentially saying she was a victim of that issue. If there wasn’t a metoo problem, creators wouldn’t be shoving naked women and sex in every project they touch. And if they did, they would have offered women a way out if they suddenly have a change of heart instead of forcing them to go through with it.

But we are in a culture where this is a norm, and actresses (and actors) feel like tolerating this mistreatment is required for them to achieve their dreams.

And of course, before anyone says they should have not chose acting…it doesn’t mean that the industry isn’t messed up and that they shouldn’t change so women would be treated with dignity.

I’m glad that Emilia, not being religious, stood up for herself and refused to take part in it. We need more famous women to be publicly against this.