End of the 60's is near

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Moneo said:
macro-biotic diets

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Hey! I have some friends who are macro, and I can see things that make sense. Leave macro out of this 😛
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Does this mean we’ll return to the mindset that existed before the 60’s?

Things like,

Forced segregation.

Blacks can not vote

We accept what the government tells us, even if if means sending our kids off to be killed in needless wars.

All Protestants are going to hell.

Catholics not allowed to visit Protestant churches.

Women must keep their heads covered and their mouths shut.

Obey the priest, even when he’s abusing you,… after all, he’s a man of God.

Nuns can beat children at will.

Uhmm, no thanks.

Although the 60’s had some problems, it was from that time period that we ended up with the freedoms we have today. Freedoms that some of our fellow Americans did not share.
Freedoms that if you had to go without them, you’d be screaming!

Jim
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Jim, as usual, you have completely missed the boat. This cartoon was not referring to the 1960s as you remember them. The proposed springtime of the Church has not been a pleasant one. I studied meteorology for about a year. If you live in Texas (or in the midwest, for that matter), you know that springtime is also the time for severe weather, with an increase in tornadic activity up and down the dustbowl.

For the past 40 years, we have gone through some severe weather as far as the liturgy is concerned. People did things in the “spirit” of Vatican II without ever reading the documents of Vatican II.

I, for one, thank God every day that Joseph Ratzinger was elected Pope. There are many who are very quick to discount him. But, he was there. Remember, he was an expert theologian throughout the Council, serving as a peritus. He has lived through the turmoil from the very beginning, and he documents his experiences in his book MIlestones. In fact, he suffered through a lot of the inaccuracies and the rebellion that came immediately after the Council. Read his book. Read his writings on the LIturgy. JIm, you seem to have an open heart and an open mind about everything else, except about what counts. Perhaps if you read the words of the Holy Father with the same regard for the things you listed in your post, you may realize that we do have a pearl of great price in this man.

We should thank John Paul II for bringing Joseph Ratzinger to Rome. If anyone can fix this mess, it’s Pope Benedict.
 
Well, I for one am happy to see the end of the 60’s.

I mean, we started out with that unnecessary war on the Danube with the Rhoxolani in 60; then a full-scale invasion of Britian in 61, where the Icenic queen was killed by Suetonius Paulinus. Then in 62 we ended up with that madman Nero as Emperor–what a disaster that was.

The same year, we had that earthquake in Calabria, and that storm in Portus that destroyed all those ships. Then in 63, we had that disastrous defeat in Armenia. In 64, Rome just about burned to the ground; then the Jews rebelled in 66 and we ended up with that whole mess in Jerusalem and Masada.

68 was probably the worst year yet—we had four Emperors: Galba replaced Nero, followed by Otho, Vitellius, and finally Vespasian, which led to incessant warfare in 69 with all the various factions fighting against each other.

Granted, we had the Olympics in 67, but by and large, who would want to go back to the 60’s?
 
Wolseley said:
Well, I for one am happy to see the end of the 60’s.

I mean, we started out with that unnecessary war on the Danube with the Rhoxolani in 60; then a full-scale invasion of Britian in 61, where the Icenic queen was killed by Suetonius Paulinus. Then in 62 we ended up with that madman Nero as Emperor–what a disaster that was.

The same year, we had that earthquake in Calabria, and that storm in Portus that destroyed all those ships. Then in 63, we had that disastrous defeat in Armenia. In 64, Rome just about burned to the ground; then the Jews rebelled in 66 and we ended up with that whole mess in Jerusalem and Masada.

68 was probably the worst year yet—we had four Emperors: Galba replaced Nero, followed by Otho, Vitellius, and finally Vespasian, which led to incessant warfare in 69 with all the various factions fighting against each other.

Granted, we had the Olympics in 67, but by and large, who would want to go back to the 60’s?
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ROTFL!
 
JimR-OCDS said:
The above is what the average Catholic was taught. Of course there was more explanation to this, and of course, because of the times, it was misleading. Yes, Catholics like myself were taught, that protestants, because they knew that the Catholic Church was the true Church established by Jesus Christ, but rejected it, would not be saved.

Jim
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This is still what the church teaches; those who reject the Catholic Church cannot be saved.

You will not be able to find a single sentence in the documents of the council which even appears to challenge this. The Second Vatican Council did not change a single article of faith.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
…Vatican II wasn’t called to destroy the Church, but to preserve it.
Right, but something unexpected happened didn’t it ? The man who called the Council took ill, and on his deathbed pleaded for the Council to be stopped. He saw what was happening.

I believe if not for Vatican II, the Church would be in bad shape today. ***How is it in better shape ? Because Catholics are not wasting so much of our priests time going to confession ? Because parents don’t have to worry what other parishioners think about their kids wearing football jerseys to Mass ? Because boys don’t want to be Altar Boys anymore, due to to fact that many of them have never seen an Altar Boy in their parish, only Altar Girls, and think that is the way it’s supposed to be ? Because we can now go to Mass on Saturday evening in order to sleep in on Sunday instead of going through the hassle of having to shower and get dressed for Mass ? Or is it because anything goes now, and we don’t have to worry what Rome thinks ? Or perhaps it’s that dreadful silence we used to have to observe so those old fashioned Catholics who knelt in prayer after Mass could express their devotion ?

I’m sorry Jim, I know you probably don’t see any of that as a plus, and certainly didn’t say it, but it’s the reality of the average parish.
And it’s sad.***

Jim
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Why the obsession with the 60’s, anyway?

(Though I must say kudos to Wolseley on an excellently funny point of view!) 🙂

We’re living in exciting times Right Now! :extrahappy:

Just returned from a weekend retreat in Michigan with an awesome new order called the “Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist”. One of their goals is to have a branch of their order in every state in the United States, and wow are they off to a fine start! The order was formed just 10 years ago, and is now active in Michigan, South Carolina, Arizona, and … new this year … California and Florida!!!

Their apostolic endeavors include, as listed on their website:

sistersofmary.org/category.php?id=5
  • Spiritus Sanctus Academies
  • New this year! Our California Mission
  • New this year! Our Florida Mission
  • Our Arizona Mission
  • Our South Carolina Mission
  • Retreats for Young Women (MY NOTE: Also known as “the Discernment Retreat”.)
  • Retreats for Married Women (MY NOTE: They also allow single women on this retreat, for which I am grateful.)
  • Reaching a Global Audience: ‘Truth in the Heart’ Series Airs on EWTN
  • Mater Eucharistiae Newsletter - New! December 2007 Articles Added!
  • Remain In Me’ Catechesis
  • Apologetics and Talks
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© Copyright 2007, Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist, All Rights Reserved

Count me as one baby boomer who’s mighty happy to be living in the present and looking forward to the future! 🙂

~~ the phoenix
 
the_phoenix said:
Why the obsession with the 60’s, anyway?

(Though I must say kudos to Wolseley on an excellently funny point of view!) 🙂

We’re living in exciting times Right Now! :extrahappy:

Just returned from a weekend retreat in Michigan with an awesome new order called the “Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist”. One of their goals is to have a branch of their order in every state in the United States, and wow are they off to a fine start! The order was formed just 10 years ago, and is now active in Michigan, South Carolina, Arizona, and … new this year … California and Florida!!!

Their apostolic endeavors include, as listed on their website:

sistersofmary.org/category.php?id=5
  • Spiritus Sanctus Academies
  • New this year! Our California Mission
  • New this year! Our Florida Mission
  • Our Arizona Mission
  • Our South Carolina Mission
  • Retreats for Young Women (MY NOTE: Also known as “the Discernment Retreat”.)
  • Retreats for Married Women (MY NOTE: They also allow single women on this retreat, for which I am grateful.)
  • Reaching a Global Audience: ‘Truth in the Heart’ Series Airs on EWTN
  • Mater Eucharistiae Newsletter - New! December 2007 Articles Added!
  • Remain In Me’ Catechesis
  • Apologetics and Talks
  • Spiritual Retreats
© Copyright 2007, Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist, All Rights Reserved

Count me as one baby boomer who’s mighty happy to be living in the present and looking forward to the future! 🙂

~~ the phoenix
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Good deal ! There are indeed many good things happening in the Church today.

God bless them !
 
Dauphin said:
This is still what the church teaches; those who reject the Catholic Church cannot be saved.

You will not be able to find a single sentence in the documents of the council which even appears to challenge this. The Second Vatican Council did not change a single article of faith.
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Not only She didn’t change it…she simply cannot (and thus will never) change it.
 
I’ve been reading this thread and find it interesting. Allow me to post the thoughts that led to the the cartoon.

The “End of the 60’s” wasn’t necessarily directed toward everything that happened in the 60’s in a cultural sense, although I believe it was the worst decade in American History. But that’s another issue.

I was highlighting that the influence of that decade on the Church is - thankfully - dying a slow death. I read once that a liberal remarked back in late 60’s that all they needed to do was to wait for the dinosaurs to die off - then they (the liberals) would be in charge. That certainly happened. Now the reverse is true - we are witnessing the “dying off” of the liberals. As more and more ride off into the eternal sunset, the Church re-emerges in all Her splendor.

Thanks be to God for that.
 
PaulN420 said:
I’ve been reading this thread and find it interesting. Allow me to post the thoughts that led to the the cartoon.

The “End of the 60’s” wasn’t necessarily directed toward everything that happened in the 60’s in a cultural sense, although I believe it was the worst decade in American History. But that’s another issue.

I was highlighting that the influence of that decade on the Church is - thankfully - dying a slow death. I read once that a liberal remarked back in late 60’s that all they needed to do was to wait for the dinosaurs to die off - then they (the liberals) would be in charge. That certainly happened. Now the reverse is true - we are witnessing the “dying off” of the liberals. As more and more ride off into the eternal sunset, the Church re-emerges in all Her splendor.

Thanks be to God for that.
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Yes, that’s how I feel. It seems that the new generation is already sick with the liberal nonsense! Indeed the new generation seems to be going back. 🙂
 
Well, if my memory serves me correctly :hmmm: the 1960’s started out quite well. Catholicism was booming. In my small southern town there were two Catholic schools staffed by nuns and a seminary. Now there is one Catholic school staffed by lay people and the seminary is long gone.Traditional values were still valued then. No, things weren’t perfect but the decade took a very bad turn not too long after Kennedy was shot.
 
Yeah, go young fogeys! :tiphat: Perhaps between the two of us, we can restore HMC.
 
Shoshana said:
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Let me just say that I admire your prayer threads, although I don’t totally understand how they work.

Contemplative prayer, especially intercessory prayer for priests, is one of the things needed to renew the Church and lift it up from the disasters of the sixties.
 
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