Engaged and Cheated on -- what to do?

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Hi,

I didn’t see the other thread and only know hat you have posted here. I hope you have decided to postpone the wedding, June is 4 months away and you are still obviously (and rightly so) very hurt, and unsure what direction you want to take this. Go to the retreat in March, it may help.

I think you need to go back to dating, let him ask you to marry him again, you have to know he wants to do this, he has to know he wants to do this. You can walk away from an engagement/boyfriend, you shouldn’t drag him through the mud, but you can end it.

If/when you do start to plan a wedding again this can’t be used as leverage or your marriage will never be happy, you have to truly forgive him.

Please don’t marry in June, your engagement should be a happy/joyful time, give this gift to yourself, to both of you.

Prayers for both of you,
Mary
 
Hi An585,

I, too, responded to your fiance’s original thread and I was struck by how remorseful he sounded. I urged him to be COMPLETELY honest with you about EVERYTHING… not just about this sad situation, but about EVERYTHING that may come up in the future (assuming you two have a future together.)

My husband fell into temptation a few years ago, not complete adultery, but as your fiance said, just about everything up to. Yes it was hard to forgive, even harder to forget (I don’t think one ever forgets) but we did emerge stronger. Of course, for me, divorce was never an option. You can choose to move on with your life and put him behind you. Or you can work with him to help him find out just WHAT it is that led him to make these kind of destructive choices. Counseling (either for him alone or both of you) is a good idea. So is finding ways for him to regain your trust. After my husband’s betrayal, he literally gave me the power to “call all the shots”. If I didn’t want him to go to lunch with his co-workers (who liked meeting and flirting with women from other departments), then he brown-bagged it at his desk. If he was offered a ride to an out-of-town meeting in a company car with other women, he’d drive his own and pay for his own gas. These are just a few examples… and neither one was MY suggestion. HE began policing himself, even more than this (he’d call me from work every morning, he’d call if he was going to be more than five minutes late coming home, he’d call after every conversation he’d have with ANY woman, co-worker or acquaintance, and recount every word they said.)

Extreme? Depends. HE didn’t think so. He KNEW he’d done wrong, he KNEW I did not deserve the kind of man he had lowered himself to, he knew that HE did not deserve ME. Whatever he could do to keep me in his life, whatever it took to try to undo the damage he’d done, however long it took, even a lifetime, to rebuild the trust I’d had in him was worth it. Now it’s been over seven years. He has emerged a much stronger man, our marriage is much stronger.

The key is this:
  1. He stopped trusting HIMSELF, and put his trust in GOD. He always believed he was a good man who would NEVER be unfaithful. He never thought to ask God to protect him from temptation because he “was not that kind of man”. The devil LOVES to see our pride convince us we don’t need God! Now my husband prays his rosary daily, asks God humbly for protection from temptation, and actively avoids situations where he might be tempted… even if his co-workers laugh at him.
  2. Honesty. He told me everything and we promised each other we would always tell each other EVERYTHING. Some people think you’re doing your spouse or fiance(e) a favor by shielding them from the details. I don’t agree. After all, now the person you sinned with has MORE information than your loved one does. Knowlege is power. Besides, just knowing that you have promised to tell all to your spouse or loved one is a great incentive to toe the line. Our job is to help each other get to heaven. You can’t expect your partner to help you if he/she doesn’t know you need help. It’s not weakness to ask each other for help; it’s your strength as a couple.
All that said, I will say that I agree that you need to put off the engagement for at least another year. Trust is not rebuilt in a few months time (and you need to heal before you can allow yourself to trust again.) And not to sound callous or mean-spirited, but he’s going to have to work his tail off to win back your love and trust… AND show that he would be willing to do this for the rest of your lives if necessary. My husband would be the first to say that if he truly loves you and is truly sorry for what he did, he would gladly accept any conditions you lay down for him (but be reasonable–a vengeful woman is NOT any sort of prize!) Be honest about your feelings, let him know you need to be able to talk to HIM about this and ANYthing that bothers you, and hopefully you will both begin to grow stronger. In time, the pain will lessen and you WILL be able to put it behind you.

I have nothing else to offer but my prayers. God bless.
 
Forgive him and break it off, is my advice. Someone cheating on you so early on will fly from you when the marriage becomes difficult and requires work (and they always do!).

Don’t waste your time in years of counseling or tribunal reviews for an annulment!
 
To be honest, my gut feeling is that you will still marry him regardless of anyone’s advice. But you SERIOUSLY need to see that you need to postpone this wedding for atleast another year.

You might not because questions will be asked and money might be lost in deposits. But if you really want a marriage to be built on a stronger foundation, you will HAVE to take a big pause and wait longer, plus make him hit some serious counseling.
 
I just watched a movie that deals with this on a smaller scale. I think you might benefit from it. Notice that after the confession, it asks if the main character will repent of his sins. Confession was the beginning of his repentance, not the end.
youtube.com/watch?v=O6hHna-jZbo
I feel like I’m going to lose my best friend.
-Well, that’s a possibility.
Do you think I made a mistake by telling Buddy? Like, I mean, I feel like I’ve ruined everything.
-Kissing Diana ruined everything. Telling the truth was the right thing to do. *Sin *is what hurts others.
 
Oh An585 I am so sorry that this happened to you. I will pray for both you and your fiance, that you will know God’s will what to do.
I do think it was admirable that he told you the entire truth-There are some guys-and gals- who would have remained silent- taking the gamble you would never find out(and maybe bribing the co-workers into silence as well) and he does seem to be completley remorseful- I really believe he is very sorry for what he has done.
So the fact he even told you is a plus on his side.
Now having said that, though, If it were me- I would not marry him- at least for a long, long time.
I’m very concerned by the fact that one night away from you and he’s getting sloppy drunk and ending up in some strange woman’s hotel room and only did not have intercourse because he was physically unable to. And I share Duskyjewel’s concern about doing this with a total stranger. What was he thinking- with all the diseases, ect out there? What if she had gotten pregnant?
I’m sorry -from where I sit he sounds like he has an alchohol problem in particular and a self- control problem in general. This doesn’t mean he isn’t a nice guy- but he is not marriage material- definatly not for now, anyway, from where I sit. Don’t you want to go into a marriage knowing you can trust your husband if some co-worker starts flirting or throwing herself at him, and you’ve been married seven years and the romance has worn off? If you and he were already married I may be giving different advice- to work it out-go to counseling, ect… But you are not yet married- I agree with whoever said that if you do marry him- he will have to work many many years to win back your trust. I do NOT think this guy is ready to get married in any way, shape, or form.
 
I, too, hope that you will postpone the wedding. You need more time for discernment and couple’s counseling. It is true that married couples can and do recover (and even grow stronger) after an affair, BUT this only comes after a VERY long time of hard work. Four months is not a long time. I will not tell you to call of the engagement (although it would have been a deal-breaker for me), but please do not marry him this summer.

If he is as remorseful as he says and if he truly loves you and wants a Catholic marriage with you, he will not only understand, but actually look forward to this time of healing and growing for you both.
 
Ask A priest!

If it were me I would NOT marry him; but that is me.
I can forgive him and choose not to continue our relationship.
You may be different.
 
It is often said that an affair is not the main problem but a symptom of the problem which has been brewing.

If you decide to work on this with him, you don’t have to get over the affair. You have to get through the affair so you can start tackling the problems which got you to that point. That’s going to take longer than 4 months. If you don’t take care of the root problems, you are going to keep suffering.
 
If it is the same thread I am thinking of, I also responded to him - bluntly.

You need to postpone the wedding, and if there is to be a wedding between the two of you, he needs to re-earn your trust. The “cheating” part was one of a few “red flags” that I saw (granted, one was in part inspired by questionable advice from a priest, but still it would have started a bad precedent).

Granted, he stopped short of fornication, but the fact is he put himself so close to the edge that he almost “fell off” shows that he needs to correct his behaviors.
 
I do have another question for the women here - mainly the married ones. It is somewhat related to this problem.

Considering that a good portion of males have bachelor parties prior to the wedding and they involve strippers, if your fiancee had a stripper at his bachelor party, would you consider that cheating? Or would it depend on what your fiancee did with the stripper (like the fiancee did here)?

The reason I ask is that how many of you would forgive or have forgiven your fiancee and why, and if so what are the criteria? I’m not trying to start an argument here, but the OP is looking for advice on what to do, and comparing rhses two situations may help shed some light on her options.
 
Considering that a good portion of males have bachelor parties prior to the wedding and they involve strippers, if your fiancee had a stripper at his bachelor party, would you consider that cheating? Or would it depend on what your fiancee did with the stripper (like the fiancee did here)?

The reason I ask is that how many of you would forgive or have forgiven your fiancee and why, and if so what are the criteria? I’m not trying to start an argument here, but the OP is looking for advice on what to do, and comparing rhses two situations may help shed some light on her options.
I wouldn’t have married a guy who felt the need to ogle over a near-naked woman the night before his wedding. The entire message is that he is saying goodbye to his indiscriminate ways but partying hard and objectifying a woman whose body is paraded about in order to incite lustful thoughts. It can’t get any better from there.

We Catholics have a way of saying goodbye to our sins, and that isn’t reveling in them one “last” time. A man is about to embark on a sexual journey when he enters marriage, not end it. What a demeaning and thoughtless way to treat the woman you are pledging your life to!

I would consider it a horrible betrayal.
 
My advice would be the same as many others: to indefinitely postpone the wedding. Your fiancee may be a good man, and you two may be really good together. But you need some time to work through this and find forgiveness for him.

Having a wedding and marriage prep hanging on your heads is only going to cloud your judgment, imo. Once you can work through it, then you can decide if the two of you still want to get married. You deserve to celebrate your wedding with a fully joyful heart. You deserve to enter marriage with trust and love completely intact.
 
Considering that a good portion of males have bachelor parties prior to the wedding and they involve strippers, if your fiancee had a stripper at his bachelor party, would you consider that cheating? Or would it depend on what your fiancee did with the stripper (like the fiancee did here)?
The reason I ask is that how many of you would forgive or have forgiven your fiancee and why, and if so what are the criteria? I’m not trying to start an argument here, but the OP is looking for advice on what to do, and comparing rhses two situations may help shed some light on her options.
I would not have married a man who felt it necessary to have a bachelor party with strippers. I also question whether a “good portion” of Catholic men who are serious about their faith have such parties. Most of my DH’s guy friends had parties that involved alcohol and poker (with a portion of each pot going to the groom) but no porn or strippers.

To the OP: I agree with postponing the wedding for awhile while you work this through.
 
I would not have married a man who felt it necessary to have a bachelor party with strippers. I also question whether a “good portion” of Catholic men who are serious about their faith have such parties. Most of my DH’s guy friends had parties that involved alcohol and poker (with a portion of each pot going to the groom) but no porn or strippers.

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Ditto above. Heck, DH was not Catholic - was not a Christian - when we married, and he nor his friends thought strippers were appropriate for a bachelor party.
 
It is often said that an affair is not the main problem but a symptom of the problem which has been brewing.

If you decide to work on this with him, you don’t have to get over the affair. You have to get through the affair so you can start tackling the problems which got you to that point. That’s going to take longer than 4 months. If you don’t take care of the root problems, you are going to keep suffering.
I agree with Maritsa.

An585, if you really want to believe that his choices were heavily unfluenced by alcohol, you still don’t get rid of the other serious impediments to a healthy marriage.

Meeting with friends, going out to a bar and drinking to a point of making poor choices can have a lot of implications and send up red flags.

Did you know he was going out drinking? Did he ask for your support on this decision? Did he drive? Or did he drive with a drunken buddy? How did he pay for it?

To those who say youth plays a factor here, I entirely disagree. Just because this man is young (and 23 is not an uncommon age for marriage) does not justify his behavior. That he did this only shows he is not ready to take responsibility for a wife and children, not that he is young. When he reached the age of 40, he might be even worse than he is now.
 
Once there was a young man who went to the Saturday night dance in town and met a young lady with whom he spent most of the evening. After walking her home he stopped to talk for a few minutes and the young lady told him that she had enjoyed herself and hoped that they might do it again sometime soon. The young man said that it wouldn’t be possible. She asked why not and he told her that he was getting married the next week; his fiancee was out of town that day buying a wedding dress.
The young man and his fiancee did indeed get married the next week. They were my grandparents and they had a long and happy marriage.

Matthew
 
Look, someone needs to be blunt. You came here seeking opinions. Currently, he lacks the character of a Catholic husband.
You can rationalize any behavior - he is a good person, he feels horrible. But these are not reasons to marry someone right now.

Fact is - he did not make a mistake - this was not a mistake. It was a series of actions that took place over an evening. He did not have intercourse because he could not - NOT because he chose NOT to.
It should be of big concern to enter into marriage in a few months from now with this situation over your heads. For those of us that have been married - we speak with the wisdom years of marriage brings.

It is hard daily work. Better to start a marriage without baggage and grow strong together -then have a situation like this force you into uncertainty.
👍 listen to these words of wisdom! hold off on the marriage.
 
My dh and I are and were completly opposed to bacholor(or bacholorette!) parties with a stripper as we were evangelical protestants (devout) when we met and married so with us it wasn’t an issue. Norseman82-
To answer your question I would have been very upset if my fiance had wanted a bachlor party with a stripper for some of the reasons the above posters mentioned-why would he want to ogle a naked woman so soon before committing in marriage to someone?
 
Once there was a young man who went to the Saturday night dance in town and met a young lady with whom he spent most of the evening. After walking her home he stopped to talk for a few minutes and the young lady told him that she had enjoyed herself and hoped that they might do it again sometime soon. The young man said that it wouldn’t be possible. She asked why not and he told her that he was getting married the next week; his fiancee was out of town that day buying a wedding dress.
The young man and his fiancee did indeed get married the next week. They were my grandparents and they had a long and happy marriage.

Matthew
So? This has no bearing on the OP’s problem. Your grandfather did not drink to the point of oblivion, engage in sexual behavior with the “other woman” and intend to have intercourse only to be prevented by his inebriation. He danced and talked…BIG difference! And still dishonorable, by the way, both to his fiancee and the young woman he led on.

As for strippers…if DH had done that, he wouldn’t be DH. There are lines…
 
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