Enoch and Elijah in heaven?

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But they’re still not human.
The book of Tobit. Genesis 18 Abraham and three visitors and Genesis 32 Jacob who wrestles with an Angel were all good examples of Angels taking a human form. We know that angels are not human beings but we (also) know that humans can be Angels. However, Angels can take on human form as seen in paintings that have the features.

Luke 20:27-40​

34 And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, 36 for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God,
When the fall of mankind happen in Genesis, and describing the serpent, we assume it was who? Good can be in any form as well as evil. When we try to discern between the two, as humans, who do we call upon for guidance? And, when God sends us someone in our struggles, whom do we assume it really to be? Humans like Angels can and do the will of God if need be! Messenger or In Hebrew, an “angel” is called malakh (מַלְאַךְ), a word that basically means “messenger” or representative (from the root לאך, meaning “to send”).
 
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Humans like Angels can and do the will of God if need be! Messenger or In Hebrew, an “angel” is called malakh (מַלְאַךְ), a word that basically means “messenger” or representative (from the root לאך, meaning “to send”).
Seems you are attempting to make the claim that humans can be Angels because they can serve the same function in specific instances.
That a human can suit the purpose in no way implies humans can be Angels. It simply means we can serve the same purpose sometimes.
 
I think that this has been stated 7 different ways. How can it be any clearer? :man_shrugging:t2:
 
I think that this has been stated 7 different ways. How can it be any clearer? :man_shrugging:t2:
If someone serves as a messenger, does that also mean they are an incorporeal being created by God separate from man?

Or does it mean they served as a messenger?
 
Logically, I would assume that they served as just a messenger.

Why anyone would think that makes them an Angel is beyond me…
 
Humans cannot be Angels.
Angels are separate beings created by God.
On point of the Resurrection, Jesus made it a point in
Luke 20:27-40, Emphasizing: 1 Corinthians 15

" 39 Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another. 41 The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;”e the last Adam a life-giving spirit"
 
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Logically, I would assume that they served as just a messenger.

Why anyone would think that makes them an Angel is beyond me…
Really? When I was attending school, years ago, a woman who I didn’t know was in a really bad car accident. Heading for class, I took a wrong turn off and ended up literally in no man’s land. Everything around me was unfamiliar and I had no clue where I was.

Driving down the road I saw someone walking in the middle of the road covered from head to toe in blood. The woman tried to avoid a car accident with another driver. The other car had a pregnant woman in the vehicle and was in a ditch and unresponsive.

I got out of my car and sat the woman down because she was in a state of shock and the other woman by the grace of God was alright along with the baby. We had gotten ahold of someone to get a resue square. It took a cement driver to make the call. Let me tell you when the good Lord has to get ahold of someone, He chooses anyone that is around the area. It was the biggest fluke.

You aren’t just messengers, you are there to help!
 
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If someone serves as a messenger, does that also mean they are an incorporeal being created by God separate from man?

Or does it mean they served as a messenger?
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Hello everyone.

Trying to get my head around the above mentioned men being taken to heaven but Jesus telling Nichodemus that no man has ascended into heaven?

Any help please?
Then it went to:
There are no underground rivers.
Humans cannot be Angels.
Angels are separate beings created by God.
So can we get google maps out and find a location on this thread? We had a really good start.
 
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Hello everyone.

Trying to get my head around the above mentioned men being taken to heaven but Jesus telling Nichodemus that no man has ascended into heaven?

Any help please?
They didn’t go to heaven.
The Bible does not specify a destination.
 
None of this indicates humans becoming Angels.
Keep these two passages in mind.

Luke 20:27-40​

34 And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, 36 for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God,
Emphasizing: 1 Corinthians 15

" 39 Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another. 41 The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;”e the last Adam a life-giving spirit"
 

The Holy Angels

by Father Raphael V O’Connell, SJ​

It may be said, however, that at least some of those who dissent from what is now the accepted teaching of the Church, are in all likelihood not employing terms in the usual sense, or are speaking metaphorically. Thus, when they speak of the angels as corporeal , the word has, not its obvious meaning, but signifies “limited in point of space,” or “lacking absolute simplicity.” And when they apply the terms fire, ether, and the like, it is only to express in a graphic way certain attributes of the angels to which the qualities of these material substances bear a special resemblance.

Or again, it may be that some who seem to disagree with the view now universally held in the Church, are to be understood not as ascribing to the angels a body as part of their nature, but as referring to a body momentarily assumed, or, in the case of the wicked angels, permanently assigned to them as an instrument of suffering.

But however we may explain the opinions of certain of the Fathers, there is no doubt that in Holy Scripture the angels are often called spirits without any qualifying word; nor is there anywhere question of the souls of angels. Yet had they a body (whether like ours or of a more subtle, ethereal kind) combined in unity of nature with a spiritual substance, the latter would be the soul or vital principle of the compound, and we should expect to find it spoken of as such. If this is not the case, and if on the contrary the human soul is never described by the word spirit without further qualification, the inference seems obvious that the angels are pure spirits – that is, spirits not naturally capable of union with a body.

The Council of Lateran, to which we have already referred, has this plain testimony, where it defines that God,
by His almighty power brought both creations out of nothing, that of spirit, and that of bodies; that is to say, that of angels and that of the world, and then that of man, as akin to both, being composed of spirit and of body.
Here the antithesis between body and spirit excludes the idea of the angels having like man a composite nature.
 
Angels, as we normally mean the term, are incorporeal beings. The Hebrew word for angel, however – “malach” – simply means a messenger. God has many messengers carrying out His missions, including both physical beings (like humans) and spiritual ones (like angels):
  • It should go without saying that human beings can assume the role of God’s messengers. Link
We (you and I) are considered messengers from God. All us are, and Jesus said, " For whoever udoes the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother.” and in another passage, " But he answered them, “My mother and my brothers are those twho hear the word of God and do it.”
But remember that an “angel” is anything that carries out a mission for God. This includes forces of nature. An angel doesn’t have to be an intimidating, fiery being.

You are there to help. But that doesn’t make you an Angel. Humans do not become Angels
Thank you! I didn’t do for myself and I considered it as a honor to be able to be there to help someone. No “V” if you are stearing people toward God and making him more visible to people then it is a blessing that you are doing something good. As in the book of Tobit 12: 7, It’s good to hide a king’s secret from view, and good to reveal God’s works and bear witness to them with due respect. “Do what’s good, and evil won’t overtake you.
 
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Good to know of your prayers, but excellent to see you here posting.

Or, have I note been paying attention?
 
I agree since I’ve read that before. It doesn’t stop MANY Christians, Catholic and Protestant alike, to say that heaven got another angel when someone dies.
 
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