ESPN shelves host for 'F--- Jesus' rant

[wpr7]

You seem to forget the “F” word was used to the Son of God.

Actually, that appears to be an open question: catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1382

But regardless, you seem to be forgetting that she has apologized and has been punished. I do not see why she should be put out of work for one ill-advised comment. I do not think “because she would have been fired if it was about Mohommed” is a good excuse. People make mistakes. She apologized and was punished. Let’s drop it.

 

[jman507]

I have to disagree with you here. The Catholic League does not speak for me universally. If you go back and read the 2 news releases on the 22nd and the 23rd, Mr. Donohoe gave a lot more detail than he did in this particular release. If Mr. Donohoe wants me to get on his “bandwagon” then I need to know exactly what questions he asked of ESPN and exactly what the answers were. And that still doesn’t guarantee that I will have the same response Bill Donohoe did. He is entitled to his opinion on this matter just as I am. If he wants to sway my opinion I’ll need a lot more information than, “Therefore, as far as the Catholic League is concerned, this matter is over.”

I agree with you, you don’t have to go by anything that the Catholic League says. Feel free to disagree with me, but on matters like this, I’ve heard Bill Donohoe’s philosophy that he doesn’t like to go for the termination of a person, but he does want an acknowledgment that what was said was wrong, possibly a suspension. He’ll also seem to take into consideration the intention that seems to be the cause of the remarks. That is typically in line with how I like to take these cases, so typically I’ll concur with his opinion even if that means he may have a few more of the facts than I have, given unknown facts seem to not plausably counter the facts that seem to shape his opinion.

I don’t really like some of the responses that Muslims have been noted to have. I don’t like to see some of the responses so of the feminist and other minority groups have had. As a Catholic, I’d prefer a response that seems to indicate both the appropriate justice and mercy. I don’t like the excesses that others have seemed to ask. Besides if you seem to over play your hand, and go out of bounds, others will tend to forget about the originial offense and focus on yours. After all, there are quite a few people who’ve posted here, “What if she said Allah?”

 

[He_Man]

Actually, that appears to be an open question: catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1382

But regardless, you seem to be forgetting that she has apologized and has been punished. I do not see why she should be put out of work for one ill-advised comment. I do not think “because she would have been fired if it was about Mohommed” is a good excuse. People make mistakes. She apologized and was punished. Let’s drop it.

Sorry, but it is that very attitude that has allow the spread of Islam to infest and overrun Europe, allowed homosexuals to demand and be given equal rights in many cases to hetersexuals in matters of sexuality, and removed prayer from schools.

It is never a big deal until your wife and children are dragged away in the dark of night. What WOULD be a big deal to you then? People get fired from ESPN for sexual harrassment, but religious harrassment doesn’t matter. What’s more important a gender, or God?

 

[jman507]

Sorry, but it is that very attitude that has allow the spread of Islam to infest and overrun Europe, allowed homosexuals to demand and be given equal rights in many cases to hetersexuals in matters of sexuality, and removed prayer from schools.

It is never a big deal until your wife and children are dragged away in the dark of night. What WOULD be a big deal to you then? People get fired from ESPN for sexual harrassment, but religious harrassment doesn’t matter. What’s more important a gender, or God?

Is there a case where ESPN has fired someone for sexual harrassment given one comment?

 

[wpr7]

Sorry, but it is that very attitude that has allow the spread of Islam to infest and overrun Europe, allowed homosexuals to demand and be given equal rights in many cases to hetersexuals in matters of sexuality, and removed prayer from schools.

It is never a big deal until your wife and children are dragged away in the dark of night. What WOULD be a big deal to you then? People get fired from ESPN for sexual harrassment, but religious harrassment doesn’t matter. What’s more important a gender, or God?

What? Your not making any sense. She did not make inappropriate sexual advances towards anyone. I am not going to comment on the Reynolds situation because I do not know the facts. But under these facts, she made a very offensive comment. My guess is that she had no idea that what she was saying was so wrong. She has been corrected (I wish I could say she has been charitably corrected, but in this forum I am not sure). Some people on this site are treating Jacobson as a political tool to advance their (admittedly praiseworthy) agenda of getting Christians to be treated more fairly by the media, but we need to remember that Jacobson is a person and to fire her would have serious consequences in her personal and professional life. The ISSUE has been addressed. Jacobson has apologized and been appropriately punished in my opinion. Let’s not run a PERSON over in the process of advancing our cause. That is not how Christian’s act.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

Actually, that appears to be an open question: catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1382

But regardless, you seem to be forgetting that she has apologized and has been punished. I do not see why she should be put out of work for one ill-advised comment. I do not think “because she would have been fired if it was about Mohommed” is a good excuse. People make mistakes. She apologized and was punished. Let’s drop it.

One has to love Jesus to realize the gravity of her comments

 

[Valke2]

Kudos to you ! That is a great parallel! ESPN has selective bias…Our Savior is fair game for them.

If they demean the Son of God they demean us as well. Know them for what they are…hypocrites.

There is a difference in that she was not working on the show when she made the comment.

 

[tomarin]

Does anyone else think people are going a little overboard here. I think some people have been way too hard on Don Imus and Kelly Tilghman. They both apologized for their remarks and stated that they did not mean to hurt anyone. Same thing happened here. Just because Imus was fired and some people are calling for Tilghman’s head, does not mean we need to respond in kind just to even the score.

I think both Jacobson and ESPN realize the offensiveness of her remarks and have taken appropriate action. This action includes an apology from Jacobson and a one week suspension by ESPN. The Catholic League is satisfied: catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1383 and I think we should be as well. Would she have been fired if her comments were directed to Mohammed or MLK in a similar manner? Probably, but I would not agree with that either. She made a mistake. She apologized. She has been punished. Let’s drop it and move on with spreading the Good News of forgiveness, rather than the ugliness of whiny righteous indignation.

excellent post. the one i would have written if i had more patience.

now let’s see if the angry mob puts down their pitchforks.

 

[jman507]

One has to love Jesus to realize the gravity of her comments

I know, and if she knew what she said she’d probably be deeply sorrowful. It seems a bit much to take away her livelihood for her ignorance. Given her ignorance, but her acknowledgment that it was wrong, along with the public criticism; what she received seemed appropriate. What would it take for her to justify forgiveness? If you set the bar too high, I don’t see that doing anything but giving her a misconception of the coldness of Christianity.

 

[wpr7]

One has to love Jesus to realize the gravity of her comments

One who loves Jesus should also consider that she is a person in need of salvation and not a political tool. Have you considered how being fired would affect her life? I think her alleged comments were EXTREMELY grave, so much that I took them out of the title of the thread when I responded. That does not mean her life should be ruined. But then again, Jesus probably would have condemned her and sought to ruin her life…oh, wait. John 8:1-11. To Jacobson I say: “Repent (which she apparantly has), serve your suspension and sin no more.”

 

[He_Man]

Is there a case where ESPN has fired someone for sexual harrassment given one comment?

Rush Limbaugh in 03.

And as far as Tirico and Reynolds go, we;ll never know how much behind the scenes antics went on, since it was private offenses, not public ones.

 

[He_Man]

What? Your not making any sense. She did not make inappropriate sexual advances towards anyone. I am not going to comment on the Reynolds situation because I do not know the facts. But under these facts, she made a very offensive comment. My guess is that she had no idea that what she was saying was so wrong. She has been corrected (I wish I could say she has been charitably corrected, but in this forum I am not sure). Some people on this site are treating Jacobson as a political tool to advance their (admittedly praiseworthy) agenda of getting Christians to be treated more fairly by the media, but we need to remember that Jacobson is a person and to fire her would have serious consequences in her personal and professional life. The ISSUE has been addressed. Jacobson has apologized and been appropriately punished in my opinion. Let’s not run a PERSON over in the process of advancing our cause. That is not how Christian’s act.

It is really a question of “what are her motives” and “what are ESPN’s”?

Those we can only speculate on. I simply don’t like the inconsistency, both within the network itself, and the country at large.

Again, this is the network that fired Rush Limbaugh for saying Donovan McNabb only got press as a QB because the press was dying to see a black QB succeed. ONE COMMENT. DIDN’T MENTION GOD. Yet, ESPN had no qualms about firing him.

Weird, huh?

 

[bjmiller100753]

now let’s see if the angry mob puts down their pitchforks.

Thank you so much for modeling the very behavior that you accuse so many of us as lacking. Because some of us have a different opinion than you, we are an “angry mob” with “pitchforks.” How loving and Christ-like of you to demean so many of us with this even tempered generalization!

 

[jman507]

Rush Limbaugh in 03.

And as far as Tirico and Reynolds go, we;ll never know how much behind the scenes antics went on, since it was private offenses, not public ones.

If anything is analogous I think the Rush one would fit the best. I will say if you want to hold that up as precedent, then I would say you can ask the management what’s the difference. Why not write that and see what their response is? I mean even if they just send a stock response, at least they have to think about it.

I myself would take it the two cases this way. I didn’t think that it was justified in the Limbaugh case, so I wouldn’t want it carried out in this case. Back to the Bill Donahoe I like him on this aspect, that he’ll bring back these cases when asked about it, and say, we didn’t want them fired, just disciplinary action taken. The bad thing though is that that point hardly ever gets mentioned in the media. They will present him as if he’s “foaming at the mouth,” then never acknowledge later he just wanted an apology and possibly a suspension most of the time, rather reasonable if you ask me.

 

[tomarin]

Thank you so much for modeling the very behavior that you accuse so many of us as lacking. Because some of us have a different opinion than you, we are an “angry mob” with “pitchforks.” How loving and Christ-like of you to demean so many of us with this even tempered generalization!

it’s not some of you, it’s virtually all of you. whenever a topic like this comes up, there’s an outpouring of self-righteousness that i find off-putting.

still, my comment was uncharitable and i regret making it.

 

[bjmiller100753]

it’s not some of you, it’s virtually all of you. whenever a topic like this comes up, there’s an outpouring of self-righteousness that i find off-putting.

So clearly everyone who is has a different opinion than you is wrong and your opinion is the only correct one.

 

[Walt_Oliver]

Several posts have been deleted because some of you are sniping at each other rather than discussing the topic of the thread. Please stay on topic. Thanks.

 

[bjmiller100753]

But regardless, you seem to be forgetting that she has apologized and has been punished. I do not see why she should be put out of work for one ill-advised comment. I do not think “because she would have been fired if it was about Mohommed” is a good excuse. People make mistakes. She apologized and was punished. Let’s drop it.

In your entire lifetime as a consumer, have you ever had the experience that the customer service (or the quality of the product, etc.) was so bad that you just flat out decided never to patronize that establishment again? What is so different here? Why should I just “drop it” and continue to give my time (which equates to money for the advertisers) to ESPN?

And if you have never done that as a consumer, could you please send me a list of all the establishments where you buy your goods?

 

[pnewton]

I guess I am with the Catholic League on this one. She was not working for EWTN when the comment was made. It was a personal statement. She has apologized. She should not be fired for making such a statement. If nothing else, it could set a bad precident. What if witnessing for Christ became socially unacceptable. Would we want our job in danger for exercising free speech?

I agree that there is a double standard and she would have made the same remark about Mohammed or MLK, she would have been fired. I just think both situations would be wrong.

 

[Valke2]

I guess I am with the Catholic League on this one. She was not working for EWTN when the comment was made. It was a personal statement. She has apologized. She should not be fired for making such a statement. If nothing else, it could set a bad precident. What if witnessing for Christ became socially unacceptable. Would we want our job in danger for exercising free speech?

I agree that there is a double standard and she would have made the same remark about Mohammed or MLK, she would have been fired. I just think both situations would be wrong.

IF she was working for EWTN at the time, I’m pretty sure she would be fired.