Eucharist on the tongue

[jedi]

communion on the tongue is “more conducive to faith and reverence”.for me i really don’t like to receive communion by hand. i just don’t like it… i receive communion by tongue (standing or genuflect)… that’s all … NO HANDS…

case close

 

[KatholikosMercy]

Pictures still speak more than a thousand words, whether written by a Pope or anyone else:

http://www.the-tidings.com/2005/0902/communion1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/5816/jp2-1.jpg

moral of the story: worthiness or unworthiness does NOT depend on hand or tongue. And whatever else people may rightly say about JPII and Benedict XVI, I don’t think either of them could reasonably be accused of being lacking in respect for and devotion to the Blessed Sacrament :nope:

The Eucharist is and has always been frequently disrespected by advocates of ALL methods of reception - hence St Paul having to tell his followers off about it!

Here endeth the lesson

Nice pics

 

[KatholikosMercy]

When we have the ability to research and learn–truth from untruth—can we really use the excuse that we have misplaced obedience—an follow one who leads to untruth.

From St. Louis de Montfort: True Devotion To the Blessed Virgin Mary, No. 228

Of Judgment, and the Punishment of Sinners In all things look to the end; and how thou wilt stand before that strict Judge (Heb. 10:31) to whom nothing is hid, who is not appeased with gifts, nor admitteth excuses, but will judge according to right. O wretched and foolish sinner, who sometimes art in terror at the countenance of an angry man, what answer wilt thou make to God who knoweth all thy wickedness (Job 9:2)! Why dost thou not provide for thyself (Luke 16:9) against the day of judgement, when no man can be excused of defended by another, but every one shall be a sufficient burden for himself!

Funny that you mention St Louis De Monfort. I enrolled in his confraternity in 1997 and its through his 33 day, way of consecration to Jesus through Mary that I have come to move away from the traditionalism of the past and into the peace of the Lord. The devotion can be done continuously most of the year. I highly recommend it. It will change anyone for the better and bring them closer to the Lord and his ways.

You have to take everything you read on the internet with a grain of salt.

I recommend only the Vatican, CCC, a Catholic, non-inclusive Bible and Catholic Encyclopedia and EWTN as reliable sources and even then the last two are alot of opinion.

Even older books with the imprimatur before the last council could be erroneous.

By all means trust the Magisterium with the benifit of the doubt.

Know that the accuser and the angel of light are one in the same.

 

[AlexV]

The Council isn’t the Year Zero.

When it comes to faith and morals, anything published before the Council is still perfectly valid.

 

[jedi]

KatholikosMercy you are out of topic. okay…
thank you…

 

[laudamus_te]

I recommend only the Vatican, CCC, a Catholic, non-inclusive Bible and Catholic Encyclopedia and EWTN as reliable sources and even then the last two are alot of opinion.

Even older books with the imprimatur before the last council could be erroneous.

As I suspected, you have closed your eyes to the traditions of the Church. You are limiting yourself needlessly with such a narrow field of literature with which to surround yourself, and I believe this is a grave mistake you are making. Which books with a pre-VII imprimatur would you say are erroneous?

 

[Jean_Anthony]

Please stay on topic, people. If you wish to discuss other issues, start new threads in the appropriate fora. Thank you.

 

[KatholikosMercy]

KatholikosMercy you are out of topic. okay…
thank you…

Yea I gues thats what happens when you reply to comments that are off topic.

Thanks for the moderation.

I’d say its time for this thread to be closed as it appears exhausted.

The universal norm no one could cite is kneeling and on the tongue,
while the GIRM 2000 says the norm is standing and on the tongue

but kneeling mustn’t be denied and
on the hand is at the discretion of the communicate and no one else.

Which is exemplified by the Church Magisterium that we all should freely ascend to in confident obedience.

Don’t know if the site mod would agree or not that this thread is exhausted…

 

[laudamus_te]

Don’t know if the site mod would agree or not that this thread is exhausted…

Or maybe you’re exhausted from trying to defend a practice which was established from a disobedience which was counter to what was the mandated practice of the Church for hundreds of years, and which has proven to be an abundant source of irreverance and sacrilege. Just my guess.

 

[KatholikosMercy]

The Council isn’t the Year Zero.

When it comes to faith and morals, anything published before the Council is still perfectly valid.

What would you think of starting a new topic about this?

There are a couple of books-lets I have in mind that I believe have an Imprimatur (can’t check atm) that would be interesting to discuss.

In particular the couple that imediately come to mind are called the “Anit-Apostle” and another (booklet) called the “Liturgical Shipwreck”.

I think you would be a good person to start a thread to discuss the value of literature, and the NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR.

 

[KatholikosMercy]

Or maybe you’re exhausted from trying to defend a practice which was established from a disobedience which was counter to what was the mandated practice of the Church for hundreds of years, and which has proven to be an abundant source of irreverance and sacrilege. Just my guess.

Im not defending any such thing.

Please show me some evidence that this practice was established by disobedience. I have *never *seen any such evidence.

I am defending the Magisterium in its fullness. That fullness includes a choice of Tongue or Hand and Kneeling or Standing.

I agree with the traditionalist on what is more reverant. However I appreciate the wisdom of the Magisterium to allow a choice.

If the Magisterium were to revert to the pre Vatican II ways I would then defend that but they haven’t.

I am not exhausted at all. Heh, I hardly know when to keep quiet. I just think the thread is exhausted but thats hardly my call as I am not a moderator here. I doubt I would have the patience.

Usually when I see a thead consistently off topic, that its exhausted seems to be the case.

How many times and different ways can what the Indult and the GIRM say be reitterated?

Please show me that evidence of disobedience. I have heard an incling of this before but am unaware of the skinny on that accusation. I’d really like to know.

 

[TNT]

Pictures still speak more than a thousand words[/B], whether written by a Pope or anyone else:
…moral of the story: worthiness or unworthiness does NOT depend on hand or tongue. And whatever else people may rightly say about JPII and Benedict XVI, I don’t think either of them could reasonably be accused of being lacking in respect for and devotion to the Blessed Sacrament :nope:

** Here endeth the lesson**

Not quite. You got some smoochin to do:



Then I’ll stand behind your post.

 

[laudamus_te]

Please show me some evidence that this practice was established by disobedience. I have *never *seen any such evidence.

You must be aware of the history of the current indult of Communion in the hand, it has been posted on this thread numerous times I think. It began in Holland as a blatant act of disobedience by Cardinal Suenans.

 

[KatholikosMercy]

You must be aware of the history of the current indult of Communion in the hand, it has been posted on this thread numerous times I think. It began in Holland as a blatant act of disobedience by Cardinal Suenans.

What I am aware of is here-say. I wish some concrete evidence and documentation. Not that I doubt you per se’. Admittadly I doubt naturally.

What doesn’t makes sense to me is that if this indult is truly illegal then why hasn’t the Magisterium corrected it?

They correct other abuses. Is it that they do not consider this an abuse perhaps?

 

[goofyjim]

Too many posts to read through but we all respect Fr. Corapi do we not? He made a good argument why we should be able to receive in the hand. We do more harm with our tongue than we do with our hands. Now if one wants to brand him a heretic please let me know. Even so I do receive on the tongue.

 

[BobP123]

We do more harm with our tongue than we do with our hands.

Guess then we’ll have to stop lifting things with our tongues, huh?

My name isn’t goofy, in case you wanted to know.

 

[LilyM]

Not quite. You got some smoochin to do:

http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/john_paul_ii_quran.jpg

Then I’ll stand behind your post.

And that little pic bears on Communion in the Hand how??? Quit sidetracking.

 

[TNT]

Weighty though they be, what makes you think that these writings of Paul VI somehow count more than the actions of our last Supreme Pontiff and current Supreme Pontiff? Not.

You actually tapped into the heart of the matter.
pope 0. UNTHINKABLE.
pope 1 NO
pope 2. MAYBE YES OR NO.
pope 3. YES.​

Actually I like the Conciliar church to have all the novelties like communion in your hands, standing up to receive (the historical posture of one under judgement.“The defendent will rise for the verdict.”). Glass pitchers and goblets from Kmart, no pews, etc.
The Traditional Catholic Church reserves the hands for popcorn and potato chips.
It all helps to show what the Conciliar church is…and what it is… Not.

 

[laudamus_te]

What I am aware of is here-say. I wish some concrete evidence and documentation. Not that I doubt you per se’. Admittadly I doubt naturally.

What doesn’t makes sense to me is that if this indult is truly illegal then why hasn’t the Magisterium corrected it?

They correct other abuses. Is it that they do not consider this an abuse perhaps?

It’s not hearsay, it’s history! Look it up, it’s easy to find the facts on your own.

No one said the indult is illegal. The indult was granted, and the reasons are open for debate, which is what I thought most of this thread was about. I have my ideas of why it has not been rescinded. The nature of an indult, however, is that it is just that… a permission. It is not law, therefore it is possible to be erroneous. One is not “going against the Magisterium” or whatever for believing that Communion in the hand is in error.

 

[laudamus_te]

You actually tapped into the heart of the matter.
pope 0. UNTHINKABLE.
pope 1 NO
pope 2. MAYBE YES OR NO.
pope 3. YES.​

Actually I like the Conciliar church to have all the novelties like communion in your hands, standing up to receive (the historical posture of one under judgement.“The defendent will rise for the verdict.”).
The Traditional Catholic Church reserves the hands for popcorn and potato chips.
It all helps to show what the Conciliar church is…and what it isn’t.

Makes it much easier to identify who’s who when the great schism comes, too.