Eucharist on the tongue

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I see nothing in your quote that indicates that anyone smeared anything. To be empurpled is to be tinged with color, according to Merriam Webster, but that is also capable of being read as a poetic statement of being tinged with Christ’s Blood and having nothing to do with physical use of it to do so.
Empurpled means being “raised to the purple” - raised to the nobility. Tyrian dye made from a certain shellfish in Tyre, Phoenician (Lebanon) was reserved to the imperial family during St. John’s time. St. John C. is using metaphor in that all of us are raised to nobility. Guess what gang, our cardinals are “raised to the purple” even this day.
 
You speak about “gnawing”. How many of us at my age were taught what would happen if the host stuck to the roof of your mouth as part of our preparation for First Holy Communion.
You’re right. But in some respects things have changed even in the TLM. These days there are some receiving at the communion rail with their hands placed under the railing cloth and with a paten under their chins and then walk back chewing the Host with everyone to see. I guess some of us wonder why they’re so eager to consume the Host when they could spend a minute or two with Christ Himself after they returned to their pews. But I’m sure they have their reasons.
 
(I’m 50, BTW, so pretty much the same generation as you. You probably remember the Beatles a little clearer than I do, but other than that, we both grew up with The Lucille Ball Show and Gunsmoke, andy perhaps you drank Tang when you were little, just like me.)
I didn’t do the Beatles then and I don’t do the Beatles now - sorry folks the closest I come to anything approaching rock music is Steeleye Span out of Britain. However, if you get a chance, there was a TV program from those days which I did watch live on TV in glorious black and white. Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. Youtube has lots of Bishop Sheen’s old shows. They might give you an idea of where I’m coming from.
 
You’re right. But is some respects things have changed even in the TLM. These days there are some receiving at the communion rail with their hands placed under the railing cloth and with a paten under their chins and then walk back chewing the Host with everyone to see. I guess some of us wonder why they’re so eager to consume the Host when they could spend a minute or two with Christ Himself after they returned to our pews. But I’m sure they have their reasons.
The very idea of working my finger on the roof of my mouth much lest chewing…Sister Mary Evaristus would have had a kitten!
 
Thank you. It’s amazing how uncritically some traditionalists seem to just assume that

a) Communion has always been on the tongue (it certainly wasn’t in the early centuries of the Church) and

b) the Vatican is somehow really really against the practice but was ‘hijacked’ into it by modernists and radicals totally against their will and without their approval.

Neither of these assertions are really true.
You’re welcome. But I didn’t provide the proof as a testament in favor of either Pope; I just don’t like inaccuracies. I don’t believe for a moment that the Vatican is against the practice. They are almost all modernists. I still believe it is wrong and the practice should be abolished.
 

Really now otjm—how does something become “tinged with color”. To tinge in color—one must have that something soaked --in said color. So you see–trying to make it out as poetic–does not really justify what St. John Chrysostom said.
Unless and until you can show that there is credible evidence that people took the Precious Blood and covered themselves with it, I am not buying it. The statement you quoted simply does not say what you indicate it says.

And by the way, to begin with, we are talking of a document written about 1700 or more years ago. I don’t know how much Latin or Homeric Greek you have read, but I have managed to wade through a good bit in my day and I have found that their manner of speech was much more poetic than most of what we read today.

If you are putting all your marbles on the one comment, I am seriously underimpressed. Show me documentation that such acts went on and I will be open to your construction; but if that quote is all you have, no va.

One can be tinged with color by consumption; it is a well known fact that people who eat too many carrots will get a tinge of orange to their skin; it takes quite a bit to do so, but is certainly not unknown.

To move from consumption of carrots, to consumption of the Precious Blood and to say one is “empurpled” is by no way a stretch, and particularly when one has read enough works to know that speaking poetically at that time in history is by no means unheard of in reference to sacred things.

So, no, one does not have to be soaked in something to be tinged - either literlly or figuratively or poetically.
 
Unless and until you can show that there is credible evidence that people took the Precious Blood and covered themselves with it, I am not buying it. The statement you quoted simply does not say what you indicate it says.

And by the way, to begin with, we are talking of a document written about 1700 or more years ago. I don’t know how much Latin or Homeric Greek you have read, but I have managed to wade through a good bit in my day and I have found that their manner of speech was much more poetic than most of what we read today.

If you are putting all your marbles on the one comment, I am seriously underimpressed. Show me documentation that such acts went on and I will be open to your construction; but if that quote is all you have, no va.

One can be tinged with color by consumption; it is a well known fact that people who eat too many carrots will get a tinge of orange to their skin; it takes quite a bit to do so, but is certainly not unknown.

To move from consumption of carrots, to consumption of the Precious Blood and to say one is “empurpled” is by no way a stretch, and particularly when one has read enough works to know that speaking poetically at that time in history is by no means unheard of in reference to sacred things.

So, no, one does not have to be soaked in something to be tinged - either literlly or figuratively or poetically.

The same can be said for you. Can you provide evidence that what St. John Chrysostom said–was not what he meant.
 
You’re welcome. But I didn’t provide the proof as a testament in favor of either Pope; I just don’t like inaccuracies. I don’t believe for a moment that the Vatican is against the practice. They are almost all modernists. I still believe it is wrong and the practice should be abolished.
Oh get over it. We are no longer dealing with Mondernism, having now moved on to post-Modernism, as well as any number of other isms. You wouldn’t know a Modernist if they came and bit you in the back side. Quit throwing around Big Impressive Words as if you actually knew what they meant; some people who read your posts actually do.
 

The same can be said for you. Can you provide evidence that what St. John Chrysostom said–was not what he meant.
Sorry, I don’t play that game; I challenged you to provide evidence of your statement; you cannot duck the question by telling me I have to provide counter proof. Where is your evidence? It is your quote. Oh, and read Brotherolf’s comment as to the meaning or “empurple”.
 
Oh get over it. We are no longer dealing with Mondernism, having now moved on to post-Modernism, as well as any number of other isms. You wouldn’t know a Modernist if they came and bit you in the back side. Quit throwing around Big Impressive Words as if you actually knew what they meant; some people who read your posts actually do.
Oh, I think I do. Happens all the time…
Why are you so hateful?
 
Sorry, I don’t play that game; I challenged you to provide evidence of your statement; you cannot duck the question by telling me I have to provide counter proof. Where is your evidence? It is your quote. Oh, and read Brotherolf’s comment as to the meaning or “empurple”.

Well otjm—you started the game. I provided detail–you say otherwise—its up to you to back yourself up.

Ps. Using yourself as backup does not work.
 
Oh, I think I do. Happens all the time…
Why are you so hateful?
I am not hateful. But I am sick and tired of people who think they are more Catholic than the Pope criticiszing some of the holiest men we have had in that position. I am particularly tired of the ranting and whining and nit picking and belittling of the Church and its leaders as straying from the True Faith. This is off topic, but I truly can see why so many bishops have spoken out against the Motu Proprio; the issue of the Tridentine rite is not half so much a matter of the actual ritual as it is a banner for those who outright reject Vatican 2 documents and the legitimate actions of the Church to carry out those documents. I am not arguing liturgical changes (I have actually read all of the documents, unlike many of the critics of them); what I am getting at are the pie-in-the-sky fairy tale mentality of the very conservative to ultra conservative group who get caught in the trap of thinking that pre Vatican 2 the Church was in great shape. It wasn’t, period. There was a sore need for reform; in Moral Theology (and I do not suggest that what we got did that; but it is starting to come back to the track it was supposed to be on) and in liturgy. I am old enough to remember the abuses of pre-Vatican 2, unlike many of the critics who weren’t even in diapers then.

Hateful? No. Tired of the disdain of the far right? Yep.

So let’s get back to the Eucharist. And I have to go; it is time for Adoration. Ciao!
 
I am not hateful. But I am sick and tired of people who think they are more Catholic than the Pope criticiszing some of the holiest men we have had in that position. I am particularly tired of the ranting and whining and nit picking and belittling of the Church and its leaders as straying from the True Faith. This is off topic, but I truly can see why so many bishops have spoken out against the Motu Proprio; the issue of the Tridentine rite is not half so much a matter of the actual ritual as it is a banner for those who outright reject Vatican 2 documents and the legitimate actions of the Church to carry out those documents. I am not arguing liturgical changes (I have actually read all of the documents, unlike many of the critics of them); what I am getting at are the pie-in-the-sky fairy tale mentality of the very conservative to ultra conservative group who get caught in the trap of thinking that pre Vatican 2 the Church was in great shape. It wasn’t, period. There was a sore need for reform; in Moral Theology (and I do not suggest that what we got did that; but it is starting to come back to the track it was supposed to be on) and in liturgy. I am old enough to remember the abuses of pre-Vatican 2, unlike many of the critics who weren’t even in diapers then.

Hateful? No. Tired of the disdain of the far right? Yep.

So let’s get back to the Eucharist. And I have to go; it is time for Adoration. Ciao!
You can rant and rave all you want, but you have no right to spew out your anger on me and personally insult me and my intelligence. It is possible, you know, to disagree with someone, and quite vehemently, too, without insulting them.
 
According to a poster here, it looks like the “far right” really got it wrong on the Communion thing again. :rolleyes: In fact, they have it all wrong all the way around. The Church all the way back to Christ was wrong; it took 1960 years for them to realize that the Church never had real holy men and women. :rolleyes: The Church had been wrong on Latin, penance, sacrifice, rosaries, art, music, private devotions, sin, hell.:rolleyes: Vatican II was the energy drink the Church needed. The smoke of Satan really didn’t enter the Church; it was only an illusion. :rolleyes: Yeh right.
 
Whoa! Hey! Everybody take a breath! We’re all just trying to serve God!

Don’t make me call a group hug! :grouphug:

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When you think about it, you’re taking a piece of Jesus Christ’s body and eating it. The whole idea seems disrespectful!

None of us are worthy to even be in the same room with the Eucharist. That’s what makes this sacrament so phenomenal! Not only is Christ really present at every single Mass, but God has invited us to come and partake in this feast!

The Eucharist is going to be in our mouths and digestive tracts, so I don’t think receiving it in the hand is a problem. The important thing is our attitude.

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Your post above made me recall the occasion when Jesus was walking through a dense crowd and many people were pushing and shoving to get close to Him. There was a woman who was stricken with hemorrhaging and thought, “If I can just touch His garment I will be cured…”

She felt UNWORTHY to make a personal touch of His flesh with her hands but rather chose to just touch His garment.

It should be a lesson to us NOT to touch Our Lord in the Eucharist with our hands. In the Eucharist He is truly present in the flesh, spirit, soul and Divinity. We should always keep that in mind.
 
Your post above made me recall the occasion when Jesus was walking through a dense crowd and many people were pushing and shoving to get close to Him. There was a woman who was stricken with hemorrhaging and thought, “If I can just touch His garment I will be cured…”

She felt UNWORTHY to make a personal touch of His flesh with her hands but rather chose to just touch His garment.

It should be a lesson to us NOT to touch Our Lord in the Eucharist with our hands. In the Eucharist He is truly present in the flesh, spirit, soul and Divinity. We should always keep that in mind.
Jesus himself said; “Take and EAT, Take and DRINK”. He wants us to TAKE. He didn’t say open your mouth and close your eyes.
When we “Take” we are making a statement of faith by action. We are following his commands. There is no lesson that he didn’t want us to touch. He asked us to
 
Jesus himself said; “Take and EAT, Take and DRINK”. He wants us to TAKE.
As long as we are going to take Christ literally, perhaps we can discuss whether the Eucharist is “for many” or “for all,” forget whether it’s “take” in the mouth or in the hand. 😛
 
As long as we are going to take Christ literally, perhaps we can discuss whether the Eucharist is “for many” or “for all,” forget whether it’s “take” in the mouth or in the hand. 😛
I dunno, I guess it doesn’t matter, We aren’t worthy to touch the Eucharist, just like the garment story. It must mean Jesus died for Catholics only. It should state for all Catholics.****😃
 
Jesus himself said; “Take and EAT, Take and DRINK”. He wants us to TAKE. He didn’t say open your mouth and close your eyes.
When we “Take” we are making a statement of faith by action. We are following his commands. There is no lesson that he didn’t want us to touch. He asked us to
He said, …TAKE…" to His Apostles (priests) and at another time he said, “…FEED My sheep…”

We can go around and around on this but bottom line is how do you perceive Christ in the Eucharist and at the same time how do view YOUSELF.
 
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