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another interesting story on Italy -

Inside the hospital where no medics have been infected​

 
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Hard to say but all of this needs to be investigated. They might have known how bad and dangerous one of these viruses can be.

This is a real interesting article.
 
Since it’s in Swedish, I’ll summarize
Effective April 1, Sweden has banned visiting elder care facilities

The government has already made a strong recommendation against visiting elderly homes. Many municipalities have already introduced various forms of visitor bans, but the government is now introducing uniform and clear regulations for the entire country.
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Seems to me in the future all countries need to get smart about this. The first action at the sniff of a pandemic should be to restrict visitation to such facilities.
 
I’m pretty sure this is standard for most elder care facilities here in the States. We initiated a ban on all visitations well over a month ago per state and federal guidelines at my facility.
 
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Yes it definitely is. I found it interesting today we got guidelines from our State saying cloth masks were not considered PPE, but in the guidelines it said to use scarfs. Reconcile that…
 
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I’m pretty sure this is standard for most elder care facilities here in the States. We initiated a ban on all visitations well over a month ago per state and federal guidelines at my facility
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I’m thinking it should have happened in early Feb, globally.
 
Some things are interesting. I can still understand how Wuhan the epicenter of the outbreak was under strict quarantine guidelines and lockdown supposedly right when the outbreak started, yet the virus spread to the entire world and the rest of China pretty much was untouched. Did it start earlier than we know? Did China know earlier than they are saying? Did those from Wuhan who were supposedly under lockdown travel only to other countries and spread the virus before it was known?
 
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Do you have a date for this?
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Let me see if I can find the article. I think I remember where I read it. I would like to know this as well. I could be mistaken, but I think I read that Wuhan was put under lockdown after the first few cases were discovered.
 
I would research the lockdown in China, I do think other areas were locked down. The forbidden city in Beijing was locked down. This article is late Jan. and random off of google.


Per the Epoch Times, a county in China was just placed under lockdown.


But this thread is about Europe.
 
Or Mardi Gras in New Orleans.
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The outbreak started with the first cases of a new pneumonia being identified in November, around the 17th.
 
According to this article the Chinese government imposed citywide transportation restrictions in Wuhan around Jan. 22.


The first known case may have been in November according to this article, but also states “That’s more than a month earlier than doctors noted cases in Wuhan, China, which is in Hubei province, at the end of December 2019”


If the dates are correct here Jan. 22 for restrictions in Wuhan, and the end of Dec. for some of the 1st known cases in Wuhan, then approx. Jan. 27 for lockdowns in China then how did the virus spread so quickly and with such virulence in a month to the rest of the world?
 
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how did the virus spread so quickly and with such virulence in a month to the rest of the world?
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Are the mathematics of exponential growth still unclear.
The situation in China at that time was about 1000 cases and 50 deaths
South Korea reached that number of cases (but fewer deaths) a month later.
The US reached that number of cases and deaths mid March.
Both South Korea and US had the first documented case on ~Jan 20.
Thailand and Japan had cases reported a week before that.

The spread is hardly unexpected. And if “virulence” you mean the extend to infection, that seems to be dictated by the measures taken - or not taken - to halt the spread.
 
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If the dates are correct here Jan. 22 for restrictions in Wuhan, and the end of Dec. for some of the 1st known cases in Wuhan, then approx. Jan. 27 for lockdowns in China then how did the virus spread so quickly and with such virulence in a month to the rest of the world?
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As I recall, they saw ~6 severe cases in one hospital about December 21, the tip of the infected iceberg. Assume doubling every 4 days, they could have had 500 severe cases by mid Jan and and over a thousand by end Jan. These sort of numbers would cause a lock down and explain the spread. A thousand hospital level cases would mean over 4 thousand others that mild or showed no symptoms.
 
Totally agree with your post, something about bats sees them as big viral carriers.

Does anyone happen to know the kinds of bats of which we speak? Horseshoe bats. Those are the kinds of bats that many suspect. Those kinds may not have been sold in that market so people are pondering that.

That said, we have discussed bats previously.

They save farmers billions saved from needing the use of insecticides. They are definitely helpful creatures.

Pandemics occur. We have a lot of crows here. Sadly, a few years ago, a large part of the crow population was wiped out.
 
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