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Sky correspondent Lewis Goodall gets it spot on:
This is what we should take away from the British dimension of the EU election 2019.
This is what we should take away from the British dimension of the EU election 2019.
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Fascinating result just in:
No Labour or Tories in South West England. Wow.
No Labour or Tories in South West England. Wow.
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Something that appears to have got lost in the crowing about how poorly the populists did in Denmark is that the Social Democrats coopted a good portion of their anti-migrant positions.
This is a common tactic of mainstream parties: to short-circuit the newcomers by stealing some if not all of their party platforms on critical topics. So it shouldn’t taken to mean that anti-migrant sentiment declined, it just means that the ruling party took some cues as to the direction of the wind and acted accordingly.
This is a common tactic of mainstream parties: to short-circuit the newcomers by stealing some if not all of their party platforms on critical topics. So it shouldn’t taken to mean that anti-migrant sentiment declined, it just means that the ruling party took some cues as to the direction of the wind and acted accordingly.
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But not the eurosceptic stance or right-wing economics.
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The thing is that we don’t have any kind of political leadership capable of dealing with a situation where we leave the EU (with half the population angry and ready to blame anything and everything on Brexit) or where we remain (with half the population angry and ready to blame anything and everything on the EU/Remainers).
These are dangerous times we’re headed into.
These are dangerous times we’re headed into.
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If they had addressed the migrants properly the first time around, you would not have seen the eurosceptic stance become so popular as it was the perception of many citizens that the EU was shoving the migrants down everyone’s collective throats. If the ruling parties had acted on that earlier, the populists would never really have got off the ground as much as they did.
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But the fact “remains” (pun) that the narrative across Europe is that pro-EU liberals and Greens have risen considerably, establishment centre-right and centre-left have lost ground but not hugely and the eurosceptic populists (practically none of which apart from the UK Brexit Party actually want to leave the EU) have either stalled, declined or increased marginally to a sort of peak populism. i.e.
Its not exactly an encouraging night for eurosceptic populism continent-wide, outside the UK.
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The truth of the matter is that most EU citizens strongly prefer the EU without the migrants coming in the volume that they did. Had the EU done as Italy is now doing, turning the migrants back all along, if Merkel had not unilaterally opened the gates in 2015, we wouldn’t see the populists nearly as popular as they are.
If there is one person who could be blamed for the change in sentiment that led to Leave winning the 2016 ballot, that would be Merkel. Although the Rotherham scandal breaking into the news had a lot to do with it as well. Have to remember those migrants in Calais were making the nightly news in the UK for months back in 2015 and early 2016. That as we see did not go over well with much of the UK electorate. Remember that at the time Cameron made the referendum official, very few people thought Leave had any chance at all.
If there is one person who could be blamed for the change in sentiment that led to Leave winning the 2016 ballot, that would be Merkel. Although the Rotherham scandal breaking into the news had a lot to do with it as well. Have to remember those migrants in Calais were making the nightly news in the UK for months back in 2015 and early 2016. That as we see did not go over well with much of the UK electorate. Remember that at the time Cameron made the referendum official, very few people thought Leave had any chance at all.
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But its losing steam on the continent (not UK) quite noticeably now.
There isn’t a single actual ‘exit’ party, apart from Brexit in UK, that has been elected to the EU parliament.
Euroscepticism, outside Britain, is now about EU reform not EU-exit.
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That boat has sailed, apart from in the UK.
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The Italians want to stay in like everyone else. But make no mistake, they won’t be so nice if Brussels tells them to let the migrant boats in.
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Yep, we are in for some serious friction between Italy, Hungary and Brussels. Orban and Salvini will try and block a Commission President they don’t want, for example. Brutal politicking and horsetrading ahead.
But its not dissimilar to what you find in many federal systems, including the US, with the central government. In the U.S., you have various factions claiming a desire to “drain the Washington swamp” for example.
It doesn’t equal a desire for secession. Indeed, the EU has support for membership at a mean of more than 80% in favour across most member states and the vast majority of citizens on the continent ‘identify’ as citizens of the Union, according to the stats.
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The EU gets to continue. But not quite as is
Salvini will not lose another general election as long as he says no to the migrant boats. Because that is what the Italian people voted for. They like the EU membership, but they’ve had it with respect to migrants. If Brussels doesn’t respect that, then it’s going to get nasty again.
Salvini will not lose another general election as long as he says no to the migrant boats. Because that is what the Italian people voted for. They like the EU membership, but they’ve had it with respect to migrants. If Brussels doesn’t respect that, then it’s going to get nasty again.
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Sans Tories/Labour, the Remain aggregate share of vote beats the Brexit share of vote.
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BBC News:
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Pro-Remain Parties Beat Pro-Brexit Parties In European Elections
Parties backing a People's Vote got more votes than those supporting a no-deal Brexit in the European Elections.
www.lbc.co.uk
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See Sky News tallying up:
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