Europe's open-border policy may be nearing its end

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Europe’s open-border policy may be nearing its end
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PARIS - Europe has for 30 years allowed most of its citizens to travel freely from one country to the next, but the experiment in open borders is now facing calls for its end amid several new threats.
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“We face a diffuse terrorist threat trying to attack our values,” French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve told an emergency meeting of foreign ministers from France, Germany, Spain, Italy and other European nations, who met in Paris to deal with terrorism and improve security in the wake of the attack by gunman Ayoub El-Khazzani on the Amsterdam-Paris Thalys train last week.
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At the heart of the discussion was whether or not the European Union border policy of free travel, known as “Schengen,” can survive the waves of growing attacks against civilians in Europe.
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The “perfect storm,” as a European diplomat called it, has hit Europe: terrorism, a migration crisis, and crime. Although they are not directly connected, the perception among many seasoned Europe observers is that the free movement of people across borders is making it easier for waves of people who intend to commit acts of violence to prey on victims - and to escape prosecution.
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The Schengen border-free travel area for 400 million European Union (EU) citizens (as well as non-EU nationals and other persons legally present in the EU) has some history: it was created by an agreement in 1985 by individual nations when European nations could not agree to eliminate all border controls. It grew to where, by 1999, it became part of European Union law. Today, it consists of 26 countries, although UK and Ireland opted out and other non-EU countries were included.
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The EU is a mess. Nigel Farage is pretty much right—it’s nothing more than an elitist, pipe-dream project that won’t succeed any time soon—if ever.
 
SuperLuigi said:
The EU is a mess. Nigel Farage is pretty much right—it’s nothing more than an elitist, pipe-dream project that won’t succeed any time soon—if ever.
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Neither has isolationism ever done good to anyone.
 
JurisPrudens said:
Neither has isolationism ever done good to anyone.
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Concur.

If they are worried about terror attacks, a return to the “old Europe” is not the answer; there was more terrorism then.

Bring back the fences and visas and culprits will then hide from the law of one country in the next, as occurred in the 1900s, or to this day outside Europe.

Further integration, not fences and visas, is the answer to problems shared by everybody.

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SuperLuigi said:
The EU is a mess. Nigel Farage is pretty much right—it’s nothing more than an elitist, pipe-dream project that won’t succeed any time soon—if ever.
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True.

Diversity works with many people but not all people. Multi-Culturalism works with many people but not all people.

Integration should furthermore, if done, be done in a controlled deliberate way, not in a willy-nilly fashion.
 
Angola has basically outlined one religion from growing there.

On the subject of Christianity, some American brands that sprung up are not looked upon as hospitable in Russia such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I don’t totally fault Russia for some laws it now has against such religions though I believe in freedom of religion and speech, there probably are feasible limits to such.
 
 
SuperLuigi said:
The EU is a mess. Nigel Farage is pretty much right—it’s nothing more than an elitist, pipe-dream project that won’t succeed any time soon—if ever.
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I agree. if they returned to closed borders though, I hope they will do a better job than we did.
 
If they’re so worried about European open-border policies, then why are they taking in so many of these boat migrants instead of working to re-home them in their own countries ? :confused: I know there have been a few leaders who have encouraged working with the migrants’ home countries to make this possible, but they’re not being listened to.

Why are they encouraging European nations to re-home a certain amount of these people in their own countries and making the nations who take in few or none of these migrants to be “bad guys” ? :confused:

Aren’t most of these migrants from Muslim countries? Are there terrorists among them? Isn’t this riskier than potential innocent border crossings?
 
For the record, if you see today’s news headlines, Italy saved 3000 migrants in one single day!

Amazing, if Libya is so bad, why are migrants crossing over it to sail to Europe? I have heard one person from Libya say it is not too bad there but that was a short blurb on tv, I have no way to know.

Still, Syrians fleeing Syria do seem to have a valid reason, other places, I’m not so sure about.
 
JurisPrudens said:
Neither has isolationism ever done good to anyone.
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Not true. The USA was at its best before it became an empire-building nosey Parker following 1898. And those swarms of Syrians et al trying to muscle their way (and their problems) into Western Europe would do better to stay where they are and try to fix their own nations.
 
Path_Finder said:
For the record, if you see today’s news headlines, Italy saved 3000 migrants in one single day!

Amazing, if Libya is so bad, why are migrants crossing over it to sail to Europe? I have heard one person from Libya say it is not too bad there but that was a short blurb on tv, I have no way to know.

Still, Syrians fleeing Syria do seem to have a valid reason, other places, I’m not so sure about.
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Yes, they’re saving lots of lives. It’s fantastic. God be with all of these people. It’s tragic what is happening.
 
Path_Finder said:
Angola has basically outlined one religion from growing there.

On the subject of Christianity, some American brands that sprung up are not looked upon as hospitable in Russia such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I don’t totally fault Russia for some laws it now has against such religions though I believe in freedom of religion and speech, there probably are feasible limits to such.
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There are no such laws in Russia officially. There is just uniform practice. 😉
 
Path_Finder said:
For the record, if you see today’s news headlines, Italy saved 3000 migrants in one single day!

Amazing, if Libya is so bad, why are migrants crossing over it to sail to Europe? I have heard one person from Libya say it is not too bad there but that was a short blurb on tv, I have no way to know.

Still, Syrians fleeing Syria do seem to have a valid reason, other places, I’m not so sure about.
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Realistically, 3,000 people in a day really does amount to an invasion. They’re driven to it, and they have no choice, but they’re the invading force in someone’s plan, all the same.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I would say ISIS is creating the chaos.
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It is unfortunate if there is some analysis that is so selfish and so political, they allow their own lack of rationality against others to speak falsehoods and politicize a situation ignominiously. They speak with no authority but more like out of their own prejudicies and are taking the agony and suffering of other human beings lightly.
 
Further integration, not fences and visas, is the answer to problems shared by everybody.
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Many of the immigrants don’t want to integrate. And what does that really mean in certain cases, anyways? Accept so-called gay “marriage” and other liberal social values without question?

Sorry, but I can’t advise anyone to do that.

Besides, what incentive is there for immigrants to integrate? Western and Northern Europeans are so PC today, it’s insane.

They say “integration”, the new arrivals say racism and islamophobia. Then it’s case closed, mostly. :rolleyes:

There is tendency among some Westerners to hate their country—even if they can’t be bothered to pack up and leave it.

So really, if the natives say the place is evil, why should immigrants be expected to think any differently?
 
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