Evangelism to Muslims

[pro_universal]

. show them the words of Our Lord and let them speak for themselves.

The thing is, your words exist in a context. When your words are “Muhammad bad, Islam evil”, you will not show anything of the Lord because no one will pay attention to you.

You should consider the fruits of your words as well as your deeds. If you speak respectfully, then you can get more good deeds done. If you do not, not only will you never convert people, you will only hamper efforts at peace and cooperation.

Which is the fruit we should be harvesting?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

pro_universal:

Rodrigo is not telling the truth, he’s spinning bias with the aim of getting people angry at muslims. Teaching that muslims want to kill everyone isn’t truth, it’s hatred. And its only purpose is to get people to hate muslims.

Prove it, buster. Where did I say that Muslims want to kill everyone?

Is quoting from the Quran bias or false?

Is quoting the hadiths bias or false?

Or did you just make that up like you made up the Zionist banking scandal?

 

[Athanasius18]

you are just using a straw man arguement. im not going around saying muhammed it evil. i dont want to talk about him. i want to talk about Him! i dont care about muhammed, i want to talk with people about Jesus Christ. let me ask you a couple questions: does Jesus want all to follow Him and become members of His body? Does it matter what one believes? should evangelization be a priority of a Christian? (dont just say “but saying muhammed is evil gets us nowhere”, im not saying that so stop bringing it up! all i wanna do is talk about how Jesus is the Savior and all need to come to faith in Him!)

 

[murtad]

Rodrigo Bivar:

Arberry O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, God shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; God is All-knowing; All-wise.

Rodrigo,

In Islamist worldview, the term “idolator” refers to every non-Muslim who refuses to convert himself into an Arab. As such, the Islamists are the modern day Pharisees, who Apostle to the Gentiles, Paul called “sons of Ishmael”, people who wish to enslave everyone to the ways of the Pharisees.

When the Arab armies conquered the entire non-Arab Byzantine Empire and forced the native populations to become Arabs against their free-will. This kind of racism is called Orthodox Islam, while this conquered region is called Arab World comprising of 22 states.
Rodrigo Bivar:

Is the Quran an anti-Islamic source? Are the hadiths and sira anti-islamic sources?

So give me an example of the evil of the Jews in the 1930s. Go on. To make it easy for you I give an example of the behavior of Muslims today and you will give a counter example of the behavior of Jews in the 1930s.

I’ll start:
Muslims burned churches and killed Christians in the name of their prophet and God.

Your turn.

The laws of Islam remain same since it was founded in the 7th century C.E. by Muhammad the Arab. This law is called Syariah and stipulate that killing Christians is legal. Muslim jurists justify this cleansing the society of the “murtad”, the term for Christians.

 

[Athanasius18]

i agree with you btw pro, we need to be good examples of Christian love and virtue. and we need to proclaim Christ, no excuses. but you have once again avoided my question/challange. are these theological views simply your own or are they based on Divine Revelation? give examples of Christ talking about tolerating other faiths/people being saved in other faiths/proclaiming Him not being a number one priority. please do give examples, as if you wish for me to i will. i repeat, all this must be done in love and throwing out bombs like muhammed is satan right off the bat gets us nowhere. but conversion and preaching the Gospel are necessary. show me from Scripture where im going wrong and where you are right. without the Word of God on our side, our opinions are empty (same goes for me as you).

 

[Cyber_Knight]

pro_universal:

I have confirmed my faith repeatedly. Just look at my past posts.

Nope, you just claiming you are a catholic without even bother to admit your faith to Jesus our Lord.

Rodrigo is not telling the truth, he’s spinning bias with the aim of getting people angry at muslims. Teaching that muslims want to kill everyone isn’t truth, it’s hatred. And its only purpose is to get people to hate muslims.

Rodrigo has got nothing to do with my point of view about Islam. Beside who say that muslims want to kill everyone. You muslim sometimes think far from what we think. Nice try!

Maybe you can tell us about your problem with muslims.

No thanks. Like I said, if you concern for peace, go to the right point. Christians are not the problem right at moment. Muslims are the problem. Do not teach us about how to love our enemies. Jesus told us 2000 years ago. Go tell to those terrorists who make terror, if the terrorist giving entire muslims a bad name, then do something. Do not wait until non muslims get exhauted and finally charge Islam as a religion of death like I (and some others here) claim it to be.

Do you think this might have biased your views?

Do not teach me anything. I know everything

Just because there are some bad muslims where you live doesn’t make all muslims bad.

What do you know about my life, eh catholic? you supposed to preach infront of those who need peace not me. I am an ordinary person, where my life, can be taken anyway anytime they want if I make one small mistake about their beliefs.

But many people have made the mistake of assuming that the race/religion/political party of people who hurt them can be ascribed to the whole.

Yea, your reasoning so far is just like other ‘good’ muslims explaining how peaceful their religion is. I dont hear what they say. I see the fact, I feel the condition. And now you tell me not to generalize it? Dont you read news everyday?

Your only basis for accusing me of being a liar is that you think I should hate Islam like you do.

I never intend to ask you to hate Islam. I know you are a muslim from the first place. I can smell it pretty easy.

That is totally irrational, and my faith is not tested.

Sometimes you have to be rational before you gone to be irrational.

 

[Justice2006]

murtad:

In Islamist worldview, the term “idolator” refers to every non-Muslim who refuses to convert himself into an Arab. As such, the Islamists are the modern day Pharisees, who Apostle to the Gentiles, Paul called “sons of Ishmael”, people who wish to enslave everyone to the ways of the Pharisees.

Mr. murtad,

The more you wirte, the more you express your ignorance about Islam/Islamic terms.

Who told you that “the term “idolator” refers to every non-Muslim who refuses to convert himself into an Arab”???.

I suggest you to do some research of your own or ask a learned Muslim first what does** idolator** mean in Islam.

You seem confused with the terms ‘Kafir’ and ‘Mushrik’. These are two different Arabic terms. Please do some research and come back with your new findings.

Now, let me show you what Pentateuch ** (of Old Testament) has to say about IDOLS**:

Book Of Deuteronomy
Chapter 7 verse 26

26 ** Neither shalt thou bring any thing of the idol into thy house, lest thou become an anathema, like it. Thou shalt detest it as dung , and shalt utterly abhor it as uncleanness and filth, because it is an anathema. **

[Douay-Rheims Bible, Deuteronomy Chapter 7]](Douay-Rheims Bible, Deuteronomy Chapter 7])

And what is “Anathema” in Biblical terms? As per Douay Rheims Bible’s footnote:

"anathema" : That is, a thing devoted to utter destruction.

A footnote to Book of Numbers 21:3
[Douay-Rheims Bible, Numbers Chapter 21]](Douay-Rheims Bible, Numbers Chapter 21])​

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[Justice2006]

A qoute:

**"The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).

Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4).

Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God’s One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.

In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry – one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress.

This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert."**

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God Bless You All.

 

[inJESUS]

We say as well : the Lord is one

 

[thehrk]

If you do not believe that we should evangelize the muslims, then you are outside of the Church concerning your beliefs because Christ himself commanded us “go, make disciple of ALL nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Do you disagree with Christ’s command? Would you go against Christ?

It is too easy to sit behind a computer refuting interpertations of the inspired words. This thread reminds, me of the Italian priest who was shot by a Muslim teenager after the Muhamad cartoons. The priest was marterd, while doing what was commanded by Jesus. In the same way the teenager thought that he was acting under god. The evangilization to Islam or the coexistance between Christians and Muslums must be an ongoing job. Im im intersted in a Mission to the Middle East. Please respond to this thread with any information you may know about a mission anywhere in the middle east.

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

We say as well : the Lord is one

Dear inJESUS,

Yeap that is what you and many Christians will say. Just saying “Lord, Lord, Lord…” and he is one but three distinct persons and then whoso follow not your so-called “truth” start accusing him, killing him like how Papacy did in the past on the one hand and on the other busy in making “miracles” and “casting out devils”, like how those TV evanglists do tricks to fool people etc. is not enough because:

Many [Christians] will say to me [Jesus] in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:22-23 — D.R. Bible

I wonder why Jesus said “Many” and he did not say some Christans or some Catholics or some Jews or some Hindus.!!​

God bless you.
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[inJESUS]

Justice2006:

Dear inJESUS,

Yeap that is what you and many Christians will say. Just saying “Lord, Lord, Lord…” is not enough because:

Many [Christians] will say to me [Jesus] in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:22-23 — D.R. Bible​

God bless you.
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justice this is the THIRD time i explain to you such an easy passage

i’ll spoonfeed you this time :
Jesus said : MANY…he did NOT SAY ALLLLLLL…why many and not all if Jesus was concerned about the word “Lord”? mmmmm the answer is in his answer : depart from me, you that work iniquity…he did not say : you who call me Lord or you who blaspheme or you who take partners with God…

come on Justice

 

[inJESUS]

Lets read Jesus’ word in context:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, 4 or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces.
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"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
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For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
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Which one of you would hand his son a stone when he asks for a loaf of bread, 5
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or a snake when he asks for a fish?
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If you then, who are wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good things to those who ask him.
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6 "Do to others whatever you would have them do to you. This is the law and the prophets.
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7 8 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many.
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How narrow the gate and constricted the road that leads to life. And those who find it are few.
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9 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.
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By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
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Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.
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A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.
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Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
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So by their fruits you will know them.
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"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, 10 but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
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Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
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Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. 11 Depart from me, you evildoers.’
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12 “Everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.
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The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock.
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And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand.
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The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined.”
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13 When Jesus finished these words, the crowds were astonished at his teaching,
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14 for he taught them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.

beautiful…

Got it, Justice?

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

Jesus said : MANY…he did NOT SAY ALLLLLLL…why many and not all if Jesus was concerned about the word “Lord”? mmmmm the answer is in his answer : depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Dear inJESUS,

Please let me very frank and clear with you because you are twisting your own scriptures in order to accomodate your church idea and neglecting the main spirit/essence of Jesus’message.

Your interpretation of the word “MANY” does not make any sense because your interpreting with flase premise–i.e. by assuming that whatever your Church taught you must be true. When it is not because you don’t even know what infact Jesus taught in it’s entirety thus your faith is not totally based on the Bible.

Now lets see what the dictionary says:

** many ** - - mĕn’ē - -

adj., * more (môr, mōr), most (mōst).

Being one of a large indefinite number; numerous: many a child; many another day.
Amounting to or consisting of​

* a large indefinite number**: many friends.

noun (used with a pl. verb)
A large indefinite number: A good many of the workers had the flu.
The majority of the people; the masses: “The many fail, the one succeeds” (Tennyson).

pronoun (used with a pl. verb)
**A large number of persons ** or things: “For many are called, but few are chosen” (Matthew 22:14).
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[Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life's Questions]](http://www.answers.com/topic/many?method=6])

You see this particular dictionary is even giving an example from “Gospel of Matthew”.

So **a large number ** of Christ-followers will go to Christ on that Day (on his second coming) and will ask him whats wrong with us, Lord? Don’t you see that we are not just calling you “Lord, Lord.”.but prophesied in your name, and cast out devils in your name, and have already done many miracles in your name but you don’t even recognise us as your follower, let alone mircale-workers or spiritual Christian men?

Then what your Jesus wil tell you:

"No, you, who no doubt are in large number and claim to follow me, BUT you ALL (of large number) are basically **gross immoral, unjust, wicked and sinful ** because you follow your own ideas and not the essence of my mission. My whole mission was to restore the Torah laws for the Children of Israel only and you supposed to follow ALL the Commandments of God plus what I said, instead of commandments of men (such as of men/authorities of your churches who claim to be under the direct guidance of Holy Spirit. But ALL of those MANY have no Spirit at all, they all follow their own concocted dogmas such as Trinity), because I did not say that I am God or worship me. On the contrary I repeatedly said “Your (God) is My (God) too…”, and Peter too testified that I was merely “a man approved of God” and my all miracles, wonders and signs were not mine but it was God who did all these by using me because I was choosen by Him just like how He chose other Prophets before me.

And remember “a prophet was with no honor in his own country”, why? because MANY did not listen my essence of Message but started over-praising me by going against the Law of the Torah, as God is not a man, He is IMMORTAL, ETERNAL.

How dare you believe that I was a God and then die when a bunch of Romans/Jews was able to convict me and (in your eyes) put me on the corss almost naked?

If my God was able to do miracles, wonders and signs through me, do you think He could not have rescued me from being almost naked with a mere “G-sting” piece of cloth on the so-called Corss?

No…My God who is greater than me and greater than all, did save me form such disgusting and shamefull insult and death and no one spat on me."

Now, guess who are those MANY (a large number of "Christians) at the present and who in your mind is growing day by day? Catholics of Unitarians?

By the way :

in·iq·ui·ty - - - ĭ-nĭk’wĭ-tē - - -
n., pl. -ties.

Gross immorality or injustice; wickedness.
A grossly immoral act; a sin.​

[answers.com/topic/iniquity?hl=iniquity]](http://www.answers.com/topic/iniquity?hl=iniquity])​

God bless you.

 

[inJESUS]

Dear inJESUS,

Please let me very frank and clear with you because you are twisting your own scriptures in order to accomodate your church idea and neglecting the main spirit/essence of Jesus’message.
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dear, this passage doesnt need a degree…it is very simple…all the context of this passage is about WORK AND FRUIT…really that hard for you?

Your interpretation of the word "MANY"

does not make any sense because your interpreting with flase premise–i.e. by assuming that whatever your Church taught you must be true. When it is not because you don’t even know what infact Jesus taught in it’s entirety thus your faith is not totally based on the Bible. does the word “many” need my Church?
Many = many, large number…it BY NO MEANS equals ALL. Is such an easy word hard for you?

Many=kathirun, not kul or jamii

You see this particular dictionary is even giving an example from “Gospel of Matthew”.

So **a large number **

of Christ-followers will go to Christ on that Day (on his second coming) and will ask him whats wrong with us, Lord? Don’t you see that we are not just calling you “Lord, Lord.”. who is twisting here buddy?

Do you know how many times they called him Lord and He answered?
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[inJESUS]

Hey Justice,

i’ll be frank with you…am not interested in explaining Christianity for you coz the passage that suits you is ok and the one that doesnt is corrupt…thats very hypocrite…am interested in islam so you are welcome to keep posting RELEVANT posts in the thread Bible corruption or Moses vs Mohammad coz i got no answer so far…and i’ll wait for you to read the book i gave you ( if you have the courage) and i’ll debate you on that…i might correct some misconceptions about certain passages from time to time regarding the Bible… i’ll leave it to others who are interested in spoonfeeding to explain to you ( i think they are getting rarer coz of the quality of your posts)…

 

[JimG]

Maybe I’m just not keeping up. It seems that Pro-Universal has been urging Christians to have more openness and tolerance with respect to Muslims. Yet it also seems to me that Mr. Justice’s posts have not been models of tolerance and openness toward Christianity.

How about this? Since Christians believe in Christianity, and Muslims believe in Islam, let each attempt to evangelize through peaceful means and persuasion. It would be great if all societies were open to religious toleration. There are intolerant Christians, and there are intolerant Muslims. Would both religions be willing to pursue a policy of open tolerance?

 

[StMarkEofE]

pro_universal:

murtad,

Why don’t you tell us your story of conversion. I’d be interested to hear where you’re from, how you came to the Church, and what makes you so anti-Muslim now.

Knowing Muslims I would not tell them where you are from.

 

[StMarkEofE]

Rodrigo Bivar:

Prove it, buster. Where did I say that Muslims want to kill everyone?

Is quoting from the Quran bias or false?

Is quoting the hadiths bias or false?

Or did you just make that up like you made up the Zionist banking scandal?

Ibn Warraq on Islam:

“The theory and practice of jihad was not concocted in the Pentagon…It was take from the koran, and Hadith and islamic tradition. Western liberal, expecially humanist, find it hard to believe this… It is extraordinary the amount of oeople who have written about the 11th of September without once mentioning Islam. We must take seriously what the Islamists say to understand their motivation, that it is divinely ordained duty for all Muslims to fight in the literal sense until man-made law has been replaced by God’s law, the Sharia, and Islamic law has conquered the entire world… For every text the liberal Muslim will use dozens of counter-examples that are exegentically, philosophically, historically far more legitamate.”

Muhammedrophet of war: Robert Spencer.

 

[Jesus_Freak]

I grew up in a muslim country as a christian. I have a good friend back home who at one time was a solid muslim, by the grace of God,accepted Jesus Christ as his savior. He is still hiding from his muslim family because they told him that if they find him they will kill him. He is now a paster, praise God.

I’ve learned some of the things from their quraan. In public and government schools every one is required to learn their religion from primary through high school. They are teaching in schools that allah and God of the bible are the same thing just different language, I grew up believing that until recently when I became a born again christian I started hearing that it’s not true.
Here is a website that has some interesting information on that. If any one has different findings on this, please email me at <<calina_vicari@yahoo.com>>

biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

May God of Abraham, Isacc and Jaccob show mercy on all the muslims and show them the meaning of true love and grace…amen