Evangelism to Muslims

[pro_universal]

So how exactly were the Muslims persecuted. Now I know for sure you’re a Muslim. If you’re talking about Sumaya and her husband Yasir, pray tell.

Admitting basic historical facts does not make one a muslim. Muhammad and his early converts were indeed persecuted by pagans, which is why they took off from Mecca to Medina.

We’re discussing about the behavior of the Jews in the 1930s vs the behavior of the Muslims today, and you bring up the Christians.

No, you are conflating two separate threads of argument. The point about Christianity is based on my desire to not be a hypocrite. Hence, I do not blanket condemn any religion that has used force to spread. That is not a “tu quoque”, it is a clear argument that you label tu quoque without any explanation because you don’t have a rational response.

The “argument about the Jews” is not in fact an argument about the Jews. You are the one who keeps asking about the behavior of the Jews in this regard, and it’s not relevant. The point is about the similarity between your tactics and those employed by the Nazis.

So you have no evidence whatsoever. And thanks for demonstrating your anti-semitism. Call yourself a Catholic? Bah.

That’s another straw man. I made absolutely no anti-semitic remarks. What I’m making are anti-Nazi remarks. It was wrong for the Nazis to use propaganda and rely on the ignorant bias of most germans to blame all Jews for what happened to the German economy. It’s equally wrong today for you, Rodrigo, to use the same methods to blame all Muslims for terrorism.

Now do you see the point? The argument isn’t that Jews are bad, because they are not and all such theories are wrong. The argument I’m making is that you are adopting the methods of the Nazis, and hence that you are doing a bad deed by inciting hatred based on propaganda and ignorance.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

pro_universal:

Rodrigo:

So how exactly were the Muslims persecuted. Now I know for sure you’re a Muslim. If you’re talking about Sumaya and her husband Yasir, pray tell.

Admitting basic historical facts does not make one a muslim. Muhammad and his early converts were indeed persecuted by pagans, which is why they took off from Mecca to Medina.

So you don’t know how exactly the Muslims were persecuted.

Great. Thanks for sharing your lack of knowledge with us.

pro_universal:

Rodrigo:

We’re discussing about the behavior of the Jews in the 1930s vs the behavior of the Muslims today, and you bring up the Christians.

No, you are conflating two separate threads of argument. The point about Christianity is based on my desire to not be a hypocrite. Hence, I do not blanket condemn any religion that has used force to spread. That is not a “tu quoque”, it is a clear argument that you label tu quoque without any explanation because you don’t have a rational response.

The “argument about the Jews” is not in fact an argument about the Jews. You are the one who keeps asking about the behavior of the Jews in this regard, and it’s not relevant. The point is about the similarity between your tactics and those employed by the Nazis.

Don’t lie. We were discussing the behavior of the Jews in the 1930s vs the Muslims today. Readers can easily check to see the crux of our discussion.

Then you brought up the Christians. Now, if that is not tu quoque, what is?

Jews vs Muslims.

But… but… the Christians also…

Yeah right, bud.

pro_universal:

Rodrigo:

So you have no evidence whatsoever. And thanks for demonstrating your anti-semitism. Call yourself a Catholic? Bah.

That’s another straw man. I made absolutely no anti-semitic remarks. What I’m making are anti-Nazi remarks. It was wrong for the Nazis to use propaganda and rely on the ignorant bias of most germans to blame all Jews for what happened to the German economy. It’s equally wrong today for you, Rodrigo, to use the same methods to blame all Muslims for terrorism.

You wouldn’t know what a straw man is even if you fell into a haystack, bud.

You were the ones who brought up the Jews and Zionism into this thread, bud, and your silly argument about the ‘zionist banking scandal’ you can’t evidence.

Now, tell us that is not anti-semitism.

pro_universal:

Now do you see the point? The argument isn’t that Jews are bad, because they are not and all such theories are wrong. The argument I’m making is that you are adopting the methods of the Nazis, and hence that you are doing a bad deed by inciting hatred based on propaganda and ignorance

My theories are not wrong. You have not provided a single shred of evidence except to say…

Zionist banking scandal

Or

The Christian are also bad.

How am I adopting the methods of the Nazis? By exposing the evil of the Muslims? You know there were people speaking out against evils of the Nazis don’t you? That is similar to what I’m doing – speaking out against the evils of the Muslims – which are Muhammad and Islam.

Your moral inversion is astounding.

Chau,
Rodrigo

 

[pro_universal]

So you don’t know how exactly the Muslims were persecuted.

I didn’t see it first hand, so I have to rely on the sources just like you.

Don’t lie. We were discussing the behavior of the Jews in the 1930s vs the Muslims today. Readers can easily check to see the crux of our discussion.

No we were not, and I specifically said this was not the issue several times. The fact that you have a comprehension issue does not make me a liar.

You wouldn’t know what a straw man is even if you fell into a haystack, bud.

You were the ones who brought up the Jews and Zionism into this thread, bud, and your silly argument about the ‘zionist banking scandal’ you can’t evidence.

Now, tell us that is not anti-semitism.

Again, the only thing this is proving is a reading comprehension problem on your part. My point was that the Nazis used false propganda to slander the Jews, and that you are doing the same using the same methods to muslims. I’ve stated that repeatedly also.

What I’m noticing is that both with my posts and with muslim primary sources, you see what you want to see and not what people are actually saying. I think your views of Islam make more sense now, even if they are wrong, because it’s clear to me that you do not read text for anything other than what Rodrigo would like to think.

How am I adopting the methods of the Nazis? By exposing the evil of the Muslims? You know there were people speaking out against evils of the Nazis don’t you? That is similar to what I’m doing – speaking out against the evils of the Muslims – which are Muhammad and Islam.

That’s what the Nazis claimed to be doing against criticism too. You are adopting the methods of the nazis by writing diatribes that have very little basis in fact, that use tried and tested accusations of depravity (that are always false), and you are using them in a political and social climate where violence against muslims is increasing.

Really, nothing you are doing is astounding to me. Everything you are writing has been written before, except the people who wrote it first used “Jew” instead of muslim as the target of their hatred.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

pro-universal:

Rodrigo:

So you don’t know how exactly the Muslims were persecuted.

I didn’t see it first hand, so I have to rely on the sources just like you.

And what do your sources say? You never did tell us even though I’ve asked.

Readers, I’ve asked pro a number of questions but apparently he chose not to answer any of them.

Perhaps you can start by answering, ‘how exactly were the Muslims persecuted’? Were they fed to lions?
pro-universal:

Rodrigo:

Don’t lie. We were discussing the behavior of the Jews in the 1930s vs the Muslims today. Readers can easily check to see the crux of our discussion.

No we were not, and I specifically said this was not the issue several times. The fact that you have a comprehension issue does not make me a liar.

It is easy to check, but. I recall you insinuating that telling the truth about Islam and Muhammad was akin to the Nazi propaganda against the Jews.

So I asked you: how exactly are the two situations similar? Let’s compare the behavior of the Jews in the 1930s with the behavior of the Muslims today.

And everyone can see you went and shot your mouth off against the Christians.

Christians. Hah. We were talking about Jews in the 1930s and Muslims today, and you brought up Christians.
pro-universal:

Rodrigo:

You wouldn’t know what a straw man is even if you fell into a haystack, bud.
You were the ones who brought up the Jews and Zionism into this thread, bud, and your silly argument about the ‘zionist banking scandal’ you can’t evidence.

Now, tell us that is not anti-semitism.

Again, the only thing this is proving is a reading comprehension problem on your part. My point was that the Nazis used false propganda to slander the Jews, and that you are doing the same using the same methods to muslims. I’ve stated that repeatedly also.

What I’m noticing is that both with my posts and with muslim primary sources, you see what you want to see and not what people are actually saying. I think your views of Islam make more sense now, even if they are wrong, because it’s clear to me that you do not read text for anything other than what Rodrigo would like to think.

So you have no answer to why your bringing up the Zionist banking scandal at every opportunity is NOT anti-semitism.

Yeah, right.
pro-universal:

Rodrigo:

How am I adopting the methods of the Nazis? By exposing the evil of the Muslims? You know there were people speaking out against evils of the Nazis don’t you? That is similar to what I’m doing – speaking out against the evils of the Muslims – which are Muhammad and Islam.

That’s what the Nazis claimed to be doing against criticism too. You are adopting the methods of the nazis by writing diatribes that have very little basis in fact, that use tried and tested accusations of depravity (that are always false), and you are using them in a political and social climate where violence against muslims is increasing.

Little basis in fact?
The Quran is little basis in fact?
The hadiths are little bases in fact?
The current news events of Muslims burning churches and killing Christians for no reason than some Danish newspaper printing some cartoons are little bases in fact?

How about you answer my question about how exactly the Muslims were persecuted in Mecca? Or do you think you’re not required to back up your statements with evidence while you require ‘basis in fact’ from me?
pro-universal:

Really, nothing you are doing is astounding to me. Everything you are writing has been written before, except the people who wrote it first used “Jew” instead of muslim as the target of their hatred.

What is really astounding is you keeping on lying. Don’t take the readers for fools. Which is what you’re doing.

Chau,
Matamoro

 

[pro_universal]

What is really astounding is you keeping on lying. Don’t take the readers for fools. Which is what you’re doing.

My response to the above is easy: Read my posts. You are creating another straw man, and this is quickly becoming as fruitless as the last thread where you informed me that you “are more well versed in formal logic” than I am and that “Rodrigo is cool” is an acceptable topic of discussion.

Since I don’t take readers for fools, I invite anyone who would like to discuss the issues above further to comment.

I’ll even respond to Rodrigo again when he has something of substance. Dialogue and understanding are the way, not the simple “muslims bad, us good” type of the thinking.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

pro_universal:

Rodrigo:

What is really astounding is you keeping on lying. Don’t take the readers for fools. Which is what you’re doing.

My response to the above is easy: Read my posts. You are creating another straw man, and this is quickly becoming as fruitless as the last thread where you informed me that you “are more well versed in formal logic” than I am and that “Rodrigo is cool” is an acceptable topic of discussion.

Since I don’t take readers for fools, I invite anyone who would like to discuss the issues above further to comment.

I’ll even respond to Rodrigo again when he has something of substance. Dialogue and understanding are the way, not the simple “muslims bad, us good” type of the thinking.

My response to you, pro is:

1. Don’t lie and take the readers for fools.
2. Find out what tu quoque means.
3. Find out what a straw man fallacy means.
4. Don’t ask me to re-read your posts. I have already answered them. You never answer any questions put to you, nor do you provide the evidence for your claims. As such, your posts are merely rants.
5. What’s with the ‘Rodrigo is really really cool’? This isn’t even the subject of the discussion – talk about straw man fallacies. Man.

Chau,
Rodrigo

 

[Cyber_Knight]

pro_universal:

I’ll even respond to Rodrigo again when he has something of substance. Dialogue and understanding are the way, not the simple “muslims bad, us good” type of the thinking.

Face it pro, every catholic here has opposite responds to yours. No one agree for what you have said.You never admit your faith, many catholics have asked you about to confirm your faith in Jesus, but you never do. It proves that you are not a christian or catholic in faith, you are just other muslim guy playing taqiyya around here. Do not think you are smart with your silly answers defending Islam. Rodrigo’s claim are much acceptable and logic than yours and the most important is, he doesnt have to pretend to be catholic for that matter. Come back here when you ready to defend catholic if you are really a catholic, or you gonna have to eat rodrigo’s words for the rest of your life.

 

[Justice2006]

Mr. Rodrigo,

Are you, in your mind, a well-wisher of Catholics? if so, then IMO, it is just in your mind only.

Or you are on a compaign to give Catholicism a bad name?

IMO, if you really want do some favour on Catholicism/Catholics then atleast keep quite and let learned Catholics speak for themselves or learn some tolerant aspects of Christian monasticism (though I don’t recommend the whole of it) and how to adopt it. Because even your silence will be a great favour for Catholicism, as enough damage has already done and eventually Rome had to apologise recently and reverse her policy(though *patial * and after 2000 years ).

Did you really learn some lesson from it or determined not to, at any rate/cost? Oh sorry I forgot, you are not a Christian…may be thats the reason you are doing what people like you ought to do.

.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Justice2006:

Mr. Rodrigo,

Are you, in your mind, a well-wisher for Catholics? if so, then it is just in your mind.

I told everyone I was invited here to spread goodness and light. God works in mysterious ways.

Justice2006:

Or you are on a compaign to give Catholicism a bad name?

I don’t think the Catholics here would share your view.

Justice2006:

IMO, if you really want do some favour on Catholicism/Catholics then atleast keep quite and let learned Catholics speak for themselves or learn some tolerant aspects of Christian monasticism (though I don’t recommend the whole of it) and how to adopt it. Because even your silence will be a great favour for Catholicism, as enough damage has already done and eventually Rome had to apologise recently and reverse her policy(though patial and after 2000 years ).

I do note that it’s the Muslims who are embarrassed by my presence, not the Catholics who send me messages of encouragement and brotherhood.

Justice2006:

Did you really learn some lesson from it or determined not to, at any rate/cost? Oh sorry iIforgot, you are not a Christian…may be thats the reason you are doing what people like you ought to do.

I’m always willing to learn more about the sublime morality of Muhammad and Islam.

Chau,
Rodrigo

 

[pro_universal]

ou never admit your faith, many catholics have asked you about to confirm your faith in Jesus, but you never do. It proves that you are not a christian or catholic in faith, you are just other muslim guy playing taqiyya around here.

I have said in every single thread that I am Catholic. What I will not do is answer the same question repeatedly, because it does not change the meaning of my posts. The fact that you would weigh the truth of my statements differently depending on my religion is proof that you have an irrational bias on this matter.

Look at the mission statement for a Jesuit university. If Christianity is rational, then we can appeal to others based on universal principles that stand up to any rational examination, not just the examination of someone who is Christian.

Come back here when you ready to defend catholic if you are really a catholic, or you gonna have to eat rodrigo’s words for the rest of your life.

I am defending my Church from intolerance and sectarian strife. It is not and should not be the business of the Church to bash a people who are already under attack. We should extend the hand of friendship and help the Muslims (who are in hard times right now in large part due to the machinations of “christian” nations), without forcing them to accept insults to their faith as a condition.

Jesus didn’t demand payment for his sacrifice, and neither should we. This rabid insistence on being able to insult muslims is just that: A price to be paid for our pride in exchange for the possibility of dialogue. It is morally wrong for us to behave this way, and it is therefore unChristian.

 

[pro_universal]

IMO, if you really want do some favour on Catholicism/Catholics then atleast keep quite and let learned Catholics speak for themselves or learn some tolerant aspects of Christian monasticism (though I don’t recommend the whole of it) and how to adopt it.

And here is an example of what I am talking about. Justice is able to express his disagreement with our faith, without insulting it, and while recognizing the good.

Why can’t we all extend him the same courtesy?

 

[Cyber_Knight]

pro_universal:

I have said in every single thread that I am Catholic. What I will not do is answer the same question repeatedly, because it does not change the meaning of my posts. The fact that you would weigh the truth of my statements differently depending on my religion is proof that you have an irrational bias on this matter.

see… you just proved my accusation of you being non catholic

Look at the mission statement for a Jesuit university. If Christianity is rational, then we can appeal to others based on universal principles that stand up to any rational examination, not just the examination of someone who is Christian.

what are you talking about? This is a forum. You dont have to be politically correct.

I am defending my Church from intolerance and sectarian strife. It is not and should not be the business of the Church to bash a people who are already under attack.

your Church? you mean your mosque? how dare you talking about intolerance and sectarian strife while I AM LIVING AT SUCH CONDITION AT THE MOMENT!!!

We should extend the hand of friendship and help the Muslims (who are in hard times right now in large part due to the machinations of “christian” nations), without forcing them to accept insults to their faith as a condition.

LOL… you are getting funny with your statement, muslim.

Jesus didn’t demand payment for his sacrifice, and neither should we. This rabid insistence on being able to insult muslims is just that: A price to be paid for our pride in exchange for the possibility of dialogue. It is morally wrong for us to behave this way, and it is therefore unChristian.

Urrmm… interfaith dialogue? not my business. My business is to make people see the light and the evilness of Islam. Save the muslims’ asses from destruction they are building right at moment.

Stop lying here. No one trust you, mate.

 

[Justice2006]

Cyber Knight:

. Rodrigo’s claim are much acceptable and logic than yours and the most important is, he doesnt have to pretend to be catholic for that matter. Come back here when you ready to defend catholic if you are really a catholic, or you gonna have to eat rodrigo’s words for the rest of your life.

Dear Cyber Knight,

So, as long as someone attack Muslims/Islam, it is Kosher in your eyes?

How about if your beloved Mr. Rodrigo, do the same with Judaism/Jews by using Zionists hatefull ideology, then, that too will be KOSHER in your eyes?

And by the way, you must be either his wife or disciple or he himself, right?

And lastly in what sense, Mr. Rodrigo is doing a favour on Catholics/Catholicsm? But what I noticed from his posts, so far is, he is not truly representing Catholics’ view.

And the man (i.e., pro_universal) who is actually busy in defendiong/answering his view/position in a very peaceful manner and optomistic for a better future if people of faith work for common cause, is not a well-wisher of your faith? If so, then what is the use of this forum?

God bless you all.

 

[pro_universal]

see… you just proved my accusation of you being non catholic

How does saying “I am Catholic” prove your accusations true??? Could you explain this please?

what are you talking about? This is a forum. You dont have to be politically correct.

I am talking about using reason. It is the universal language, and that’s how you bring Christian values to the world. By using your power of reason. I think perhaps you did not understand my post.

your Church? you mean your mosque? how dare you talking about intolerance and sectarian strife while I AM LIVING AT SUCH CONDITION AT THE MOMENT!!!

If you are living in such a condition, you know better than anyone how important it is to stop it. Tolerance and peace are the way, and if you have faith, this should not be hard to accept.

As for violence in the muslim world, we do ourselves a great dishonesty (at least those of us in the west) by pretending that our governments had nothing to do with it. Our sinful need for wealth and the oil that yields it has taken an enormous humanitarian toll on the middle east, and no good will come of blaming the victims of our greed for the problems they struggle with.

Urrmm… interfaith dialogue? not my business. My business is to make people see the light and the evilness of Islam. Save the muslims’ asses from destruction they are building right at moment.

How do you plan to save the muslims? By calling them names and accusing anyone who disagrees with your view of Islam a muslim? Is it so hard to see why that will not do any good?

 

[pro_universal]

God bless you all.

And God bless you and all Muslims Justice2006.

True believers in God will find common ground and look to make life better, and this is what I would like to encourage for my part in the west. Maybe then we can finally convince our people to stop attacking the muslims.

 

[Athanasius18]

pro, i am beginnng to understand more your point of view. not that i agree with it anymore, but just im gettting into your midset. i have had several jesuit “priests” in high school with this mindset. my question to you is this: have you ever read what Our Lord said about salvation? did He not say that He is the only way to God and that all those who deny Him will be denied by Him before the Father? didnt He say that one must believe in Him to be saved? and doesnt St. Paul make this even more clear? can you point to ONE verse in the Sacred Scriptures that show non-Christians can be saved? your point about saying “Jesus Jesus” all day but not practicing is obvious. of course we need to live a holy and pure life, as St. Paul says “Faith without works is dead”. but notice that we still need faith! faith in what? Jesus Christ! St. Paul makes this totally clear. are we also supposed to throw out all the papal statements of the past about the need to convert all men and how in Christ alone there is salvation? in his syllibus of errors, st. pius 10th lists “the notion that men can be saved apart from the Church of Christ”. during the reign of several popes, they directed masses and prayers to be said for the conversion of the muslims. but of course you want to make Vatican II to be the Church, as opposed to one council of many that clearly re-affirmed the traditional Church teaching. have you ever read the post-vatican II document dominus iesu? i am not avoiding your question either about bashing muslims. i am not in favor of bashing anyone. we must speak with love or not at all. but wouldnt the loving thing be to tell someone that their religion offers no salvation, a salvation only found in Christ? did you read my earlier post? it was all about Christ, not muhammed. show them the words of Our Lord and let them speak for themselves. it seems that you have such a tough time with this view that one must have faith in the Savior, but i cant help but wonder if you just dont trust Jesus and what He said. or St. Paul. or the Bible. Or the Popes. Or Tradition. Or the sayings and lives of the great missionary saints. when a muslim that converts to Christ gets to heaven, im sure he will be thanking the missionary that told him the Good News, and weep for the indifference of so many Catholics that lead some of his bretheran to continue living in darkness. are there some nice things about islam? yes. are muslims often good people? of course. are there elements of truth in islam? yes. does this make one ounce of difference with one’s salvation? no. Christ is all. i can give you dozens of verses that suppor this view, can you give me one? if not than i can only conclude that these are your own opinions, not the Truth of God.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Justice2006:

So, as long as someone attack Muslims/Islam, it is Kosher in your eyes?

I’m not a muslim nor the jew, but well yeah… Kosher!

How about if your beloved Mr. Rodrigo, do the same with Judaism/Jews by using Zionists hatefull ideology, then, that too will be KOSHER in your eyes?

Aha… bring up the Jews topic. Leave the Jews alone, muslim.

And by the way, you must be either his wife or disciple or he himself, right?

I told ya, I’m Bivar’s wife. Problem with that?

And lastly in what sense, Mr. Rodrigo is doing a favour on Catholics/Catholicsm? But what I noticed from his posts, so far is, he is not truly representing Catholics’ view.

Who cares? he is not a catholic. I concern about the humanity and Islam is the enemy of humanity. Got my point? No?

And the man (i.e., pro_universal) who is actually busy in defendiong/answering his view/position in a very peaceful manner and optomistic for a better future if people of faith work for common cause, is not a well-wisher of your faith? If so, then what is the use of this forum?

who is going to believe pro is a catholic? you both are one team. You think we didnt know about that? hahaha.

 

[Justice2006]

Rodrigo Bivar:

I do note that it’s the Muslims who are embarrassed by my presence, not the Catholics who send me messages of encouragement and brotherhood.

Mr. Rodrigo,

How do you know those who sent you messages of encouragement and brotherhood, are indeed Catholics and not anti-Catholics under Catholic garments/.handles?

Do you rule out all other “explanations/possibilities/ta’weelaat” besides what you think?

Lets say those who sent you *messages of encouragement and brotherhood * are not actually Catholics or not really aware of Catholicism or not good Catholics, then what did Catholic Church really acheive fom your mindless efforts?

As far Muslims, you must be out of your mind in thinking that your presence on this Catholic forum, will be taken as an embarassment for Islam/Muslims.

If objections/concerns from sincere learned non-Muslims are not an embarrasment for Islam/Muslims, then in what sense deceptive anti-Islam websites like FFI or answering-islam are an embarrasment since you are actually borrowing their ready-made-false-deceptive-out-of-context hypothesisies, which are totally baseless and have been refuted/exposed by learned Muslims and they are already available on the Internet?

Here are some usefull links for you:

’Doctorer’ Ali Sina Exposed
faithfreedom.com/ali_sina_exposed.html

Islamic Awareness
islamic-awareness.org/
Bismikaallahuma.org
bismikaallahuma.org/
The True Religion
thetruereligion.org/missionary.htm
Investigating Islam
islamic.org.uk/
Muslim Answers
muslim-answers.org/
Sharif.org
sharif.org.uk/
Guided Ones
guidedones.com/
Understanding Islam
understanding-islam.org/
Examine the Truth
ExamineTheTruth.com

 

[Cyber_Knight]

How does saying “I am Catholic” prove your accusations true??? Could you explain this please?

EVERY ONE can claim they are muslims, or Jews, or Christians. Nowhere on this forum catholic fellows hear you confirm your faith in Jesus and believe Jesus is your lord. Thats why I’m calling you playing taqiyya around here.

I am talking about using reason. It is the universal language, and that’s how you bring Christian values to the world. By using your power of reason. I think perhaps you did not understand my post

Hmmmm you mean LOVE as universal language? do you think I kill muslims outside? do you think by telling the truth about Islam even though with hard way is not love?

If you are living in such a condition, you know better than anyone how important it is to stop it. Tolerance and peace are the way, and if you have faith, this should not be hard to accept.

Thats what I’m doing here today. Like you said, I know better than anyone.

As for violence in the muslim world, we do ourselves a great dishonesty (at least those of us in the west) by pretending that our governments had nothing to do with it. Our sinful need for wealth and the oil that yields it has taken an enormous humanitarian toll on the middle east, and no good will come of blaming the victims of our greed for the problems they struggle with.

I dont give a damn what you western do. IF thats the problem, then solve it with your government. I’m enough to have my own hard deal with muslims. You better go to middleeast, meet the fundamentalist or terrrorists there, preach what Jesus has taught you.

How do you plan to save the muslims? By calling them names and accusing anyone who disagrees with your view of Islam a muslim? Is it so hard to see why that will not do any good?

LOL. confirm your Lord is Jesus then I believe that you are a catholic. If you know about taqiyya system, I am sure you can do whatever you want, wear mask whatever it is.

 

[pro_universal]

EVERY ONE can claim they are muslims, or Jews, or Christians. Nowhere on this forum catholic fellows hear you confirm your faith in Jesus and believe Jesus is your lord.

I have confirmed my faith repeatedly. Just look at my past posts.

Hmmmm you mean LOVE as universal language? do you think I kill muslims outside? do you think by telling the truth about Islam even though with hard way is not love?

Rodrigo is not telling the truth, he’s spinning bias with the aim of getting people angry at muslims. Teaching that muslims want to kill everyone isn’t truth, it’s hatred. And its only purpose is to get people to hate muslims.

I dont give a damn what you western do. IF thats the problem, then solve it with your government. I’m enough to have my own hard deal with muslims. You better go to middleeast, meet the fundamentalist or terrrorists there, preach what Jesus has taught you

Maybe you can tell us about your problem with muslims. Do you think this might have biased your views? Just because there are some bad muslims where you live doesn’t make all muslims bad. But many people have made the mistake of assuming that the race/religion/political party of people who hurt them can be ascribed to the whole.

LOL. confirm your Lord is Jesus then I believe that you are a catholic. If you know about taqiyya system, I am sure you can do whatever you want, wear mask whatever it is.

Your only basis for accusing me of being a liar is that you think I should hate Islam like you do. That is totally irrational, and my faith is not tested.