Who locked the economy down?
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PaulinVA
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Who do you suppose those people are? I think a small number.
The 47% of people who don’t pay federal incomes tax probably wish they made enough to pay taxes. People who are struggling, working at jobs they are well suited for, probably wish they could make more.
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Regular_Atheist
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I would like that to happen through the destruction of both governments and markets. Every politician, business executive and investment banker should be given a broom and taught the meaning of that classic Biblical adage, “He who doesn’t work, neither shall he eat.”
As it happens I honestly think that’s a more realistic possibility than your libertarianism. You types hate corporations and governments, but you can’t see how they’re conditioned by markets. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees!
To be fair to them, the government also opened it up.
Suudy
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California has shutdown their courts? Even Seattle, as crazy as it is, hasn’t done so.
But is does seem Orange County is open.
https://www.myorangeclerk.com/Misc-Pages/News?pagesection=Coronavirus
And it appears even in CA the moratorium on evictions is only for non-payment I’d rent. Things like noise or other nuisance problems can be evicted.
Do you want everyone in poverty by removing markets. What if people do not want to give up their means of production?
To assume these people do not work lacks any kind of evidence. In fact, their position points to years of hard work.
My types?
I don’t hate either. (So much for knowing “my type”). Corporations are legal fictions that facilitate people working together. That’s a good thing.
Government, within its proper role of protecting individual rights, including property rights and the rights to pursue wealth, is necessary.
As long as government doesn’t interfere with conditions of markets beyond what is absolutely necessary, It’s good.
Some of them. California, New York, New Jersey and others are still locked down.
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AlNg
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for San Francisco:
The City’s moratorium on evictions, enacted March 23, 2020, has been extended to December 1, 2020 and covers all evictions, including no-fault notices terminating residential tenancies (except notices for an Ellis Act eviction). This means that any no-fault eviction, such as for an owner-move-in, relative move-in, or capital improvements, is not possible during the state of emergency, or within 60 days after the state of emergency ends.
Covid-19: Eviction Protection in California During the Outbreak | Tobener Ravenscroft LLP
Court closures, mandates on evictions, and gov. orders in California during the coronavirus outbreak. Call us if you have any COVID-19 tenant rights concerns
www.tobenerlaw.com
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Cathoholic
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PaulinVA . . .
The conservatives here have been warning of this for many months.
How with wrecking the economy hurts the most vulnerable.
How this is going to leave the most vulnerable (especially the immigrant) open to dishonest labor practices.
How artificially shutting down the economy, results in fighting COVID from a proverbial “Venezuela position” (as it is for these folks).
The “covid economy” that was talked about in the video was self-destructed (self-induced).
At about 2:00 . . . (Not an exact quote possibly) . . . .
This was enormous heartache and pain brought upon the American people unnecessarily with the economic shutdowns.
Later this fall, I suspect we will be hearing more calls to resume more shutdowns. (Some leftist places like Califonia are still destroying themselves.)
My heart aches for them too. Even more considering this was unnecessary in the first place.
My heart aches too.
The conservatives here have been warning of this for many months.
How with wrecking the economy hurts the most vulnerable.
How this is going to leave the most vulnerable (especially the immigrant) open to dishonest labor practices.
How artificially shutting down the economy, results in fighting COVID from a proverbial “Venezuela position” (as it is for these folks).
The “covid economy” that was talked about in the video was self-destructed (self-induced).
At about 2:00 . . . (Not an exact quote possibly) . . . .
This was enormous heartache and pain brought upon the American people unnecessarily with the economic shutdowns.
Later this fall, I suspect we will be hearing more calls to resume more shutdowns. (Some leftist places like Califonia are still destroying themselves.)
My heart aches for them too. Even more considering this was unnecessary in the first place.
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PaulinVA
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Tis_Bearself
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Yes, let’s keep condemning the Sturgis rally, because nobody likes bikers.
But all the ongoing protests nationwide apparently haven’t spread a single case, or even if they did, it was worth it in the name of free speech.
The hypocrisy and selective targeting disgust me.
But all the ongoing protests nationwide apparently haven’t spread a single case, or even if they did, it was worth it in the name of free speech.
The hypocrisy and selective targeting disgust me.
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PaulinVA
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My point was not to scapegoat the Sturgis rally. It was to show that “business as usual” would have led to an explosion of cases.
The post I was responding to blamed evictions on the “closing of the economy”. I was providing a reason why the economy was “closed”, and what happens when it “opens”.
Your disgust is not properly placed, and your personal attack is not taken personally.
While you know I have great respect for you, and understand your family’s experience. More broadly, however, the experience of the Soviet Union in particular and authoritarian socialism in general had not been a positive thing by any stretch of the imagination.
It is that to which I refer.
It is that to which I refer.
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GKMotley
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For varying reasons, I have a similar reaction to parts of my own country, currently.
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Ridgerunner
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How things would have turned out in the Russian Empire but for the Bolsheviks, is hard to say. I have seen it opined that the country was on the verge of takeoff economically, but was seriously retarded by the Soviet Regime. There would certainly have been challenges, not the least being the revolutionary organizations that were determined that anything resembling a democratic government would fail.
Your wife’s ownership of the flat is fortunate for her.
As you know, the “chaotic sprawl” is not unique to London. We have it in the U.S. I don’t know what happens to drug addicts and insane people in Russia. To my understanding, their fate was not at all good in the former Soviet Union. In this country, it appears to be the result of ideological foolishness on the part of urban leaders and the courts.
Your wife’s ownership of the flat is fortunate for her.
As you know, the “chaotic sprawl” is not unique to London. We have it in the U.S. I don’t know what happens to drug addicts and insane people in Russia. To my understanding, their fate was not at all good in the former Soviet Union. In this country, it appears to be the result of ideological foolishness on the part of urban leaders and the courts.
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Ridgerunner
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Be careful what you wish for. We don’t have a constitutional guarantee of housing in the U.S., but our subsidized housing is nearly sufficient to ensure housing for all, and gaining ground. But it’s not all a happy outcome. Without strong law enforcement and drug suppression, it can turn into a nightmare.
Suudy
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Not quite all evictions. From the San Francisco Board itself (The Temporary Eviction Moratorium | Rent Board):
Further, the San Francisco Superior Courty has been open since June 1:
https://www.sfsuperiorcourt.org/general-info/Information-Regarding-Coronavirus-And-Court-Operations
Finally, from the very link you posted, you left off the key sentence from your quote. Here I post it in full:
So, issues like health and safety (such as aggressive dogs), can lead to evictions.
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GKMotley
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As I said, divers reasons.
Oh, I’m not surprised by that. I was just making the observation.
I think a constitutional amendment to require housing will
Open a Pandora‘s box of significant proportions. Our experience here is that government stinks at stuff like that. Can’t imagine why Ireland would be any different.
Power corrupts, etc.
I think a constitutional amendment to require housing will
Open a Pandora‘s box of significant proportions. Our experience here is that government stinks at stuff like that. Can’t imagine why Ireland would be any different.
Power corrupts, etc.
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GKMotley
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I can certainly salute one of these, smartly.
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