Evil Harry Potter

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Yeah you know the way kids live eat and breathe Tolkien and Narnia.

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I have read parts of them here and there. Do you not think HP glorifies magic and witches?
 
Lost in all this is the poor chap that divorced Rowling right before she became a gazillionaire.
 
I think it can be harmful. Look I’ve read the books and there may be some symbolism here and there but the overlying theme is magic and spells and wizards, very much witchcraft type of stuff. This isn’t some Christian allegory series you can take out of it like The Lord of the Rings or The Chronicles of Narnia. I don’t think any Catholic school should have these mixed messages.
For that matter I think yoga should be avoided by Catholics as well. Sure most people just do it for the exercise etc but there are some deep spiritual basis for it rooted in Hindusim and I think it is not good for Catholics to be doing that stuff.
 
Scott84 said:
Harry Potter contains real spells and curses.
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I cast just about every spell in those books during my harry potter phase. My friends never flew back or had their sticks blown from their hands, and my little brother survived every killing curse in our play duels. Give me a break about all this paganism crap. I was a poorly catechized idiot child and I’m the most catholic person in my family now. This crusade against HP makes Catholics look just as bad as nutjobs on the street during the Camping Apocalypse predictions.
 
The fact is though, you were engaging in sorcery and witchcraft . A direct NO from God about doing this, yet millions of children and teens like yourself, and some very misdirected adults think its ok to copy harry potter in their harry potter phase.

In order to be catholics and live as practising catholics, the secular world is going to see us as nut jobs and fanatical and all sorts of demeaning words.

Blessed are those who have calumny and all sorts of falsehoods said against them in my name.
 
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Thomasbradley312 said:
I think it can be harmful. Look I’ve read the books and there may be some symbolism here and there but the overlying theme is magic and spells and wizards, very much witchcraft type of stuff. This isn’t some Christian allegory series you can take out of it like The Lord of the Rings or The Chronicles of Narnia. I don’t think any Catholic school should have these mixed messages.
For that matter I think yoga should be avoided by Catholics as well. Sure most people just do it for the exercise etc but there are some deep spiritual basis for it rooted in Hindusim and I think it is not good for Catholics to be doing that stuff.
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Every age has had its share of occultic stuff to be (rightly or wrongly) scared of. When I was a child it was Dungeons and Dragons. Before that it was ouija boards. Before that it was dolls (think the Salem Witch trials)

The play Macbeth was at one stage seriously thought to possibly contain a genuine occultic spell in the scenes with the three witches. And the “proof” of this was a number of alleged (urban myth-type) spooky mishaps during productions of the play.

Never mind that the play must have been performed hundreds of thousands of times by now with by far the vast vast majority having zero mishaps and zero occultic problems. Exactly the same as the Harry Potter books and movies!
 
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LumineDiei said:
The fake kind. The Hollywood kind. Not the kind you find in the local coven that meets at the coffee shop during the week. And I’ve said from the get-go on CAF over the years, if one cannot tell the difference between make-believe fantasy magic and the reality of an earth-based belief system, they should not be reading any fantasy novels, watching any television other than perhaps a documentary, and they should be very careful with any Midrish in the OT and probably need guided through the parables in the NT.
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Hmm, yes. Those ignorant children who can’t tell the difference between fake magic and reality-based witchcraft. Should they stop reading HP? 🤣
 
Shakespeare was a Catholic and most of his plays allude to that though most people aren’t aware. Joseph Pearce has some great talks on how he was a Catholic and his writings are proof of it.
And I don’t understand your allusion to past trends. Harry Potter isn’t new for one, 15 years ago you could say that.
And are you advocating that because ouija boards were once popular with kids it thus should have been allowed in schools?
 
Oh sorry – I shouldn’t have said “reality-based witchcraft”, I should have said “the reality of an earth-based belief system”. Sorry.
Do you all think children can tell the difference between fantasy magic and an earth-based belief system?
Yeah, probably as serious Catholics we should ridicule the idea that young people are moving away from Christianity, and towards Wicca, paganism, etc.
 
GiftofMercy said:
The fact is though, you were engaging in sorcery and witchcraft .
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That was sucky witchcraft then. If HP spells are actually supposed to do things, then witchcraft isn’t worth the trouble at all.
GiftofMercy said:
A direct NO from God about doing this, yet millions of children and teens like yourself, and some very misdirected adults think its ok to copy harry potter in their harry potter phase.
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A no from God about practicing the occult, not playing around with made up “spells” to pretend one is capable of casting magic. Rowling wasn’t contacted by demons when she made HP. She literally just made the spells up.
GiftofMercy said:
In order to be catholics and live as practising catholics, the secular world is going to see us as nut jobs and fanatical and all sorts of demeaning words.

Blessed are those who have calumny and all sorts of falsehoods said against them in my name.
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They’ll call us nutjobs because of the Eucharist, or our belief in the Resurrection, our hope for life after death. You can’t justify saying anything crazy with the beatitudes.
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
Do you all think children can tell the difference between fantasy magic and an earth-based belief system?
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If they can’t, their parents should be more careful about what they read than the rest of us have to be. I never realized, when my daughter was a child, that she was so unusual in having a good grasp on what is real and what is fiction. She never even went looking for an elephant sitting in a tree or hobbits, either.
But then, maybe that’s because she was exposed to many different types of stories, and not taught to be afraid of anything that differed from her own experience.
 
I casted a spell that this debate would end but it didn’t work.
 
The spells are real? You have got to be kidding! It is their right, but people pay too much for Catholic school tuition to have someone that kooky directing the education of their kids! Furthermore, I’d bet I could find on any shelf in that library, at least five books that contain words and behavior that really IS contrary to the faith, is being portrayed as cool by the author, and is something actually real that students could potentially imitate.
 
LumineDiei said:
Well bless your heart. If they are old enough to read an entire Harry Potter book, they are old enough to know that there’s a difference between make-believe magic from the
characters considered “witches and wizards” in the book and a belief system/religion in the world where its followers call themselves witches and wizards. If they don’t, they shouldn’t be reading those books, This of course, goes for any adult who is unable to separate fantasy from reality and isn’t limited to the Harry Potter series, but any writing that involves the use of magic and magical worlds as a literary device.
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Thanks for the condescending cliche of “bless your heart”.
So you agree that there are kids who shouldn’t read HP? How would some kids understand the difference between HP and perhaps neighbors, acquaintances, classmates who are now practitioners of Wicca? You think there is no correlation between more and more people practicing Wicca / paganism, and the fact that several HP are in the top 20 most popular kids’ books?
 
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Loud-living-dogma said:
How would some kids understand the difference between HP and perhaps neighbors, acquaintances, classmates who are now practitioners of Wicca? Y
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Again, that’s knowing the difference between fiction and reality.
I never knew, before coming to CAF, that so many people either are incapable of that, and/or automatically assume others are incapable.
Actually, if someone is truly unable to tell the difference between fiction and reality, they shouldn’t be reading fiction at all. What ideas might they get from a murder mystery! 😱
 
So, children were play-acting from a very popular book and movie franchise, and then a common place misfortune occurred. You can’t really expect people to believe that playing characters from a book caused a house fire! You could use the exact same logic to defame almost anything or anyone. You could say that the fire was retribution for the father’s alcoholism, or the kid’s interest in Disney princesses, or that the wife wore white after Labor Day, or that they were Catholic. Please don’t make these kinds of ridiculous arguments. It’s embarrassing to the faith. Our Church teachings have been defended by some of the greatest intellectuals in history, who have spent years in study and prayer. St. Augustine to Chesterson! We don’t need people going around saying stuff like "Harry Potter spells are real and Santa’s name rearranged spells ‘Satan’. It’s embarrassing and contributes to the increasingly common misconception that people of faith are weak-minded sheep who believe anything they are told.
 
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