Evil Harry Potter

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“Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
You can’t justify saying anything crazy with the beatitudes.
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You missed the point.
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
A no from God about practicing the occult, not playing around with made up “spells” to pretend one is capable of casting magic. Rowling wasn’t contacted by demons when she made HP. She literally just made the spells up.
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Catholics dont simulate sins and role play at breaking the law of God.

This isn’t a debate or discussion about toy guns. I will say engaging in duels, either pretend or real , with the occult as a tool, has great potential to hurt .
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Those jelly beans ARE scary! It take some real marketing genius to get people to spend three times the cost of already overpriced jellybeans when half of them taste like soap and lawn clippings!
 
GiftofMercy said:
This isn’t a debate or discussion about toy guns. I will say engaging in duels, either pretend or real , with the occult as a tool, has great potential to hurt.
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Yeah, I’m done. There’s no way to convince you that casting Harry Potter spells isn’t summoning demons and that kids doing fake wizardry isn’t dabbling in the occult.

Next, you’re gonna tell me that Star Wars is sinful because the Force is universal and naturalistic and gives people supernatural powers.
 
Oh, reddit! Well, that settles it, that’s the most authorative source on everything.
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Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Yeah, I’m done. There’s no way to convince you that casting Harry Potter spells isn’t summoning demons and that kids doing fake wizardry isn’t dabbling in the occult.
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Firstly this is a discussion, its not a change the other person’s mind. My stance is not your stance, however we are both entitled to state our stance.
In saying that, show me where I said, casting harry potter spells is summoning demons.
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Next, you’re gonna tell me that Star Wars is sinful because the Force is universal and naturalistic and gives people supernatural powers.
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next I am going to tell you, again, we don’t engage in ‘fake’ or ‘faking’ sin, we don’t engage in ‘fake’ or ‘faking’ breaking the law of God.

The interesting thing about Star Wars is that much of what the writers wrote about in respect to technology and physics, is a reality now. Read that great book ‘The Physics of Star Wars’

Its not cool to go against the views of the secular world at times, as this school and its priest are no doubt discovering.
 
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I’ll preface this with the caveat that I’m a huge Harry Potter fan. I’ve even written fan-fiction. That said, I used to teach. Back during the Harry Potter hey day craze, I had a handful of students (6th graders) that stated they were becoming witches after reading Harry Potter. One girl even started toting around some kind of bargain bin pagan spell book she got at Barnes and Noble. So, while Harry Potter may not have an adverse effect on some, or even most, there actually are those for whom it has been spiritually destructive.
 
Did I say that I think everyone ought not to ever read HP?
I think it’s not a big deal for most people. However, I do think it’s worth considering if it does have some impact on the current popularity of Wicca / witchcraft / paganism.
I certainly think a Catholic priest is within his rights not to have it in his parish school library. Criticize him if you dare – he is responsible for many souls. You are not.
 
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Allegra said:
The spells are real? You have got to be kidding!
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Where did I say that?
Mary888 said:
There is nothing in HP that can go together with the Bible as it specifically forbids sorcery in Deuteronomy. So the Christian faith does not depend on people believing in magic. On the contrary.
St. Cyprian was a sorcerer but after he realized he was wrong he burned all his magic books. St. Catherine the Martyr also gave up all her pagan beliefs after conversion and was brutally murdered for it.
Fear not. The kids are still reading it at that school. But at least the school no longer publicly promotes those ideas, that magic is good, and that IS according to the Christian Faith.
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That’s what I said.
 
This was on the news today and I rolled my eyes…

My now young adult daughter and I read the books together, talked through the idea of witchcraft, and focused on the more important themes in the book, friendship, loyalty, perseverence, etc. IMHO, this series is responsible for turning a lot of young kids onto reading because the stories were engaging, interesting and well-written. Way more children became avid readers than became witches because of Harry Potter.

How ironic that it was HP weekend on the SyFy channel, and once again I enjoyed watching the movies.
 
Just curious – if there were some truly unacceptable books that children loved to read, would that still be okay because the books / author / publisher is “promoting reading”? Is there ever a line, or is it “anything goes” as far as “promoting reading”?
 
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Loud-living-dogma said:
I certainly think a Catholic priest is within his rights not to have it in his parish school library. Criticize him if you dare
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And I’ve said he has that right. But I do dare criticize him for giving a reason that is not true, and thereby diminishes respect for him and for the Church.
 
I’m not sure anyone “lied.”

But this statement from the article: “The curses and spells used in the books are actual curses and spells; which when read by a human being risk conjuring evil spirits into the presence of the person reading the text.”

is not true. They are not actual curses and spells.
 
That’s the thing that these HP critics keep missing. The characters aren’t meant to be normal kids who dabble in the occult. They’re a magical sub-race born with innate magical powers. A huge plot point is that normal humans can’t do magic… that’s why Aunt Petunia is so cruel to Harry… she was jealous that magic was beyond her reach. The criticisms just don’t make sense to anyone familiar with the books.
 
The closest we’ve had to proof so far on this thread was Scott referencing an article on an extremely vile blasphemous anti-Catholic fundamentalist nut-job site…
 
twf said:
A) There are no real spells in the books. They wave wands and say made up Latin-ish gibberish.
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Not even gibberish–they were generally the latin imperative . . .

Now, if you think the latin automatically comes with supernatural power . . .
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(I’d also be curious to know how JK Rowling knew them, but that’s another topic)
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I’ll bet olds to donuts that she simply asked someone who knew latin, “what is the command to dance”, and so forth. . .

For cry out loud, I could follow the latin and grammar in then . . .
BartholomewB said:
@Scott84 seems to have vanished in a puff of smoke. I wonder how he achieved that.
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someone waved a stick and said, “fumus erunt!” 🤣😜:roll_eyes:
LumineDiei said:
But that interest comes from the same kind of confused adolescents that drifted in and out of that belief system long before Harry Potter was put to print.
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Kind of like those that would be drawn to egyptian cat worship after watching Sylvester try to catch Tweety . . .

Definitely. A complete lack of both balance and internal consistency .

I refer to “JK Rowling Syndrome” as the phenomenon where an author has become popular enough to simply thumb his nose at any attempt at editing. The Potter books reached 700 pages with no more story than the 300 page volumes . . .

The Game of Thrones Author had the same problem. Long before the series, the last one I read was entirely a side track because he got distracted, and never got to its subject matter. At that point, I told people to let me know if an when he finished, as I wasn’t going to bother until then . . .
snarflemike said:
My kids read the books and ten years later they had to move out of the house and get a job.
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I could use more information on that . . . which books? Do you have amazon links?’’’😜🤣😱
 
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