Evolution and Creationism

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Yeah. It didn’t make any sense. Did God create Adam? It says so in the bible. Did He create all the birds of the air and fish in the sea etc etc? It says so in the bible. So did He create the funghi as well? Three million species?

What do you think?

Yes He did, what’s your point?

It was a question some time back. I asked why He created three million species of funghi. Now you’ve agreed He did create them you can give us your idea as to why.

 

[Noose001]

It was a question some time back. I asked why He created three million species of funghi. Now you’ve agreed He did create them you can give us your idea as to why.

Again

creation is an expression of wisdom and understanding and the understanding of God is much more than 3 million species. 3M species is just what you have discovered or think you have an understanding of.

I had already explained.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

So they can be. But heritable characteristics is an observation that’s correct. You and I both know this. Don’t paint yourself into a corner, Noose.

Pangenesis was Charles Darwin’s hypothetical mechanism for heredity, in which he proposed that each part of the body continually emitted its own type of small organic particles called gemmules that aggregated in the gonads, contributing heritable information to the gametes. Wikipedia

Such erroneous ideas explains why evolution is wrong from its foundations.

That explains why his proposed method of heritable characteristics was wrong. But doesn’t deny that heritable characteristics is an observable fact. He didn’t need to know how it was done. It doesn’t form any part of his theory.

Do you really think it did? That would show a gross misunderstanding of evolutionary theory itself.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

It was a question some time back. I asked why He created three million species of funghi. Now you’ve agreed He did create them you can give us your idea as to why.

Again

creation is an expression of wisdom and understanding and the understanding of God is much more than 3 million species. 3M species is just what you have discovered or think you have an understanding of.

I had already explained.

If you think that’s an explantion, then thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

 

[Noose001]

That explains why his proposed method of heritable characteristics was wrong. But doesn’t deny that heritable characteristics is an observable fact. He didn’t need to know how it was done. It doesn’t form any part of his theory.

Do you really think it did? That would show a gross misunderstanding of evolutionary theory itself.

So how did he come up with the idea of ‘variation in species’ if what he observed was that offspring are the similar to their parents?

 

[Noose001]

If you think that’s an explantion, then thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

You are welcome.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

That explains why his proposed method of heritable characteristics was wrong. But doesn’t deny that heritable characteristics is an observable fact. He didn’t need to know how it was done. It doesn’t form any part of his theory.

Do you really think it did? That would show a gross misunderstanding of evolutionary theory itself.

So how did he come up with the idea of ‘variation in species’ if what he observed was that offspring are the similar to their parents?

Similar doesn’t mean ‘the same’.

 

[Techno2000]

Noose001:

Freddy:

Yeah. It didn’t make any sense. Did God create Adam? It says so in the bible. Did He create all the birds of the air and fish in the sea etc etc? It says so in the bible. So did He create the funghi as well? Three million species?

What do you think?

Yes He did, what’s your point?

It was a question some time back. I asked why He created three million species of funghi. Now you’ve agreed He did create them you can give us your idea as to why.

I would just like to know there did all those “environmental changes” come from to account for all those millions fungi ?

 

[Noose001]

Similar doesn’t mean ‘the same’.

What did he observe about heredity to come up with the proposal about variation in species?

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Noose001:

Freddy:

Yeah. It didn’t make any sense. Did God create Adam? It says so in the bible. Did He create all the birds of the air and fish in the sea etc etc? It says so in the bible. So did He create the funghi as well? Three million species?

What do you think?

Yes He did, what’s your point?

It was a question some time back. I asked why He created three million species of funghi. Now you’ve agreed He did create them you can give us your idea as to why.

I would just like to know there did all those “environmental changes” come from to account for all those millions fungi ?

Maybe you think nothing in the environment changes. What killed all those kangaroos I mention a couple of days ago?

 

[Techno2000]

Maybe you think nothing in the environment changes.

Not a whole lot these days, must of been crazy back in the day.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Similar doesn’t mean ‘the same’.

What did he observe about heredity to come up with the proposal about variation in species?

Oh, good grief, Noose. This is about as basic a question that you can ask about evolution. If you don’t know how it works then how on earth can you argue against it.

These are the three planks of evolutionary theory:

Principle of variation. Among individuals within any population, there is variation in morphology, physiology, and behavior.

Principle of heredity. Offspring resemble their parents more than they resemble unrelated individuals.

Principle of selection. Some forms are more successful at surviving and reproducing than other forms in a given environment.

He was a biologist for heaven’s sake. He spent years studying the subject. Those three proposals above are obvious to anyone who spends any time studying nature. You don’t even need any education in biology to make those observations.

The amazing thing about Darwin’s theory is not that he managed to come up with it. It’s that nobody came up with it before him. Everyone was aware of the evidence but nobody had joined the dots.

And now you are asking how he knew there were variations within any given population. Good Lord, Noose. These are observations that children could make.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Maybe you think nothing in the environment changes.

Not a whole lot these days, must of been crazy back in the day.

You should read the news. We’ve had quite a few environmental changes these past couple of years in Australia. So what killed all those 'roos?

 

[Noose001]

Principle of variation. Among individuals within any population, there is variation in morphology, physiology, and behavior.

Principle of heredity. Offspring resemble their parents more than they resemble unrelated individuals.

Principle of selection. Some forms are more successful at surviving and reproducing than other forms in a given environment.

So how does one conclude that all species came from a common ancestor when the principle of variation seems to contradict the principle of heredity?

The principle of variation seems to suggest that there are boundaries within species which if surpassed by changes in morphology, physiology and behavior, we are having a new species. The principles of heredity seems to say otherwise- so when is this boundary crossed?

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Principle of variation. Among individuals within any population, there is variation in morphology, physiology, and behavior.

Principle of heredity. Offspring resemble their parents more than they resemble unrelated individuals.

Principle of selection. Some forms are more successful at surviving and reproducing than other forms in a given environment.

So how does one conclude that all species came from a common ancestor when the principle of variation seems to contradict the principle of heredity?

It doesn’t. As anyone with even the most basic understanding of the subject would know. In fact, anyone who knew nothing about evolution would realise it.

You are not doing yourself any favours by asking such questions.

 

[Noose001]

It doesn’t. As anyone with even the most basic understanding of the subject would know. In fact, anyone who knew nothing about evolution would realise it.

You are not doing yourself any favours by asking such questions.

The principle of variation seems to suggest that there are boundaries within species which if surpassed by changes in morphology, physiology and behavior, we are having a new species. The principles of heredity seems to say otherwise- so when is this boundary crossed?

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

It doesn’t. As anyone with even the most basic understanding of the subject would know. In fact, anyone who knew nothing about evolution would realise it.

You are not doing yourself any favours by asking such questions.

The principle of variation seems to suggest that there are boundaries within species which if surpassed by changes in morphology, physiology and behavior, we are having a new species. The principles of heredity seems to say otherwise- so when is this boundary crossed?

You gave the answer yourself. When it’s decided that there have been enough changes in characteristics to nominate the arrival of a new species.

 

[Noose001]

You gave the answer yourself. When it’s decided that there have been enough changes in characteristics to nominate the arrival of a new species.

That contradicts the principle of heredity. It means at certain point in time, a parent will bear a different species.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

You gave the answer yourself. When it’s decided that there have been enough changes in characteristics to nominate the arrival of a new species.

That contradicts the principle of heredity. It means at certain point in time, a parent will bear a different species.

There are no fixed points. Do you think all dog breeds were produced over a single generation? And that’s just changes within a single species.

Again, you are simply exhibiting a lack of knowledge of even the basics of the process.

 

[Noose001]

There are no fixed points. Do you think all dog breeds were produced over a single generation? And that’s just changes within a single species.

Again, you are simply exhibiting a lack of knowledge of even the basics of the process.

There must must be clear boundaries for what defines a species otherwise the word ‘species’ is meaningless.