Evolution and Darwin against Religion and God

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There’s that pattern again. It appears you regard yourself as an authority.
 
When did I claim that I was an authority? A five second google search rendered all the information which I have given. You’re the one passing off your personal experiences as infallible, not me.

Why are you so resistant to academic freedom?

Why won’t you say how old you think the universe is?

Me thinks Father Hesburgh would’ve given you 15 minutes of meditation.
 
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I quoted the Pope, you didn’t. Also, the Pope is only considered infallible when sat upon the throne of St Peter.
 
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Bradskii:
I use the term atheist because it’s nice and simple. … I never ever say that God doesn’t exist.
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The word “mercurial” comes to mind. Do you not disbelieve what you profess to be or is it vice versa?

The 2 main points of the article seem to be that 1) labeling people who disbelieve any of the claims of evolution as fundamentalists is erroneous, and 2) evolution is not a monolithic body of knowledge to which one must pledge allegiance to all or none but evolution is many disconnected claims to which some may agree and others may disagree.
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I’m not sure why this is turning argumentative. I have explained my position regarding belief in God as accurately as possible. If it concerns you…then so be it.

As regards the article, you will specifically need to detail exactly what ‘any of the claims’ means. Many aspects are debatable. Some atheist scientists and some Christian scientists may well disagree on certain matters. But that would not result in them being ‘fundamentalists’.

Those of a fundamentalist stripe tend to dispute evolution per se. They might quibble over (ahem) micro evolution and claim adaption rather than evolution and demand that ‘kinds’ are a quasi scientific term. They do, it appears (hi Buff and Ed) have beliefs such as great floods and the age of the earth and the universe which can only be described in funamental terms.

And yes, evolution covers more aspects of our existence than it is reasonable for all those interested in it to reach a consensus. Such is science…
 
And hey…anyone know how on the earth and the universe is?

I really am utterly astonished that Ed and Buff will not answer this. Are you two embarrassed about your beliefs?

And Buff, you were going to get back with a response as to why you posted a quote about entropy as if it related to evolution. Any time you are ready.

I’ll be waiting…
 
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I went to bed with 500+ reponses and woke up and saw 800+. The elves have been busy. Don’t you guys sleep? Or are you all Australians?

In the interest of actually providing some information, and because I see the debate at one point took a turn towards “the unknowable,” I’m wondering why no one has mentioned Rupert Sheldrake.

https://www.sheldrake.org He has fascinating books – and videos – and if you don’t know about him, you should. In a nutshell, his “thing” is that there are a number of unexplained phenomena involving animals and people that “regular” science can’t explain. He doesn’t offer solutions, but he does explain the problems.

While he is a scientist (PhD Cambridge, microbiology), there is a heavy religious element to his work. He doesn’t use religion to explain things, but he does wonder if there are some sorts of unknown forces at work. I think everyone from Bradskii to edwest and Buffalo would be interested in his work. Even me.
 
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I have been studying strange phenomena for a long time. Mr. Sheldrake offers a strange mix of things. I would advise Catholics to avoid his work.
 
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Mr Sheldrake? The AP Russian Lit guy from ABC Family? Or the Mr Sheldrake from The Apartment?
 
PhiriTalk said:
Are you more than one person?
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I cannot be sure, but I think I am only one person.
On what basis do you think that the universe was created last Thursday?
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It is at least as well supported a proposition as that the universe was created 6,000 years ago, and lots of people believe that, apparently.
 
Then why do you keep using plural pronouns?

Why not try to dig a little deeper than that?
 
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