Evolution is contradictory?

[steve-b]

Someone I know is pushing a book by a FSSP priest, Chad Ripperger, in which Ripperger claims evolution is incompatible with Catholicism and is intrinsically incoherent. As both a Catholic and scientist, I find this hard to accept. He appeals to something called first causes, of which I admittedly know next to nothing, but tries to philosophize his audience into disregarding the scientific validity of the theory. Is there any clarity to be found here?

Is it possible your friend is over simplifying the case with respect to creation vs evolution?

There would be no evolution period, if creation didn’t come first.

 

[twf]

I don’t know much about the good Father, but I do know he is an ultra-traditionalists with some peculiar views.

 

[Techno2000]

A bear takes a few laps, reproduces, and then a baby bear came out with a slight semblance of a blowhole on its head?

Yeah, random mutations came up with that idea after a few tries.

 

[rossum]

But , there are thousands of other parents out there still multiplying and surviving what going to stop that ?

Those other parents do not have exactly the same genes that the childless parents have. Those ‘no children’ genes, as well as the ‘not so many children’ and the ‘not too many children’ genes are filtered out over the generations by natural selection. That is how natural selection works: more copies of the fitter genes are passed on than copies of other genes.

rossum

 

[Techno2000]

more copies of the fitter genes are passed on than copies of other genes.

How long does this process take for a new fit species to emerge, and the old unfit species to die out ?

 

[buffalo]

Please read Humani Generis in its entirety.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-x...nts/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis.html

 

[PickyPicky]

How long does this process take for a new fit species to emerge, and the old unfit species to die out ?

Would the answer “it all depends” suffice?

And (and we’ve been through this before) it isn’t necessarily the case that the parent species dies out. For instance the environment in one place might suit the parent species fine, the environment in a separate place might change and suit a daughter species better.

 

[Techno2000]

Techno2000:

How long does this process take for a new fit species to emerge, and the old unfit species to die out ?

Would the answer “it all depends” suffice?

And (and we’ve been through this before) it isn’t necessarily the case that the parent species dies out. For instance the environment in one place might suit the parent species fine, the environment in a separate place might change and suit a daughter species better.

As usual I can’t get a detail answer because it’s all speculation right from the start.How long do you speculate on average it takes for a new species to come into existence(5-10 years), (5 -10 thousand years) (5 -10 million years) ?

 

[PickyPicky]

From what point to what point are you measuring this timespan?

 

[Techno2000]

Techno2000:

How long does this process take for a new fit species to emerge, and the old unfit species to die out ?

Would the answer “it all depends” suffice?

And (and we’ve been through this before) it isn’t necessarily the case that the parent species dies out. For instance the environment in one place might suit the parent species fine, the environment in a separate place might change and suit a daughter species better.

Please explain where are all these new environments were coming from. There must of have been hundreds them popping up everyday accommodate the millions species we have today.

 

[PickyPicky]

I’m sure you are aware that the history of the earth is one of literally continuous physical and climate changes that affect in one way or another every nook and cranny of the place.

 

[PickyPicky]

Meanwhile I detect that I am in the midst of one of your endless series of pointless questions leading nowhere. I’m afraid I can stay no longer.

 

[Techno2000]

I’m sure you are aware that the history of the earth is one of literally continuous physical and climate changes that affect in one way or another every nook and cranny of the place.

But, none of this is going in this day and age the earth is very stable .

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

po18guy:

Only opinions to be found here. I find that the human idea of evolution - which implies refinement, improvement, development…

All evolution does is favour the genome of organisms who live long enough to reproduce. No mor. No less.

What you consider to be refined, improved or developed I would guess might not necessarily align with what evolution turns up with. Unless it actually favours the genome of organisms who live long enough to reproduce.

True, but then we see observable entropy in those…

I think that you think that you know what entropy entails as regards evolution.

 

[po18guy]

I know nothing. Enlighten me - everyone else does!

 

[rossum]

How long does this process take for a new fit species to emerge, and the old unfit species to die out ?

How long is a piece of string? The shortest I am aware of is a single generation for a new species of crayfish to emerge.

rossum

 

[rossum]

But, none of this is going in this day and age the earth is very stable .

No it is not. The environment in parts of Hawaii is changing rapidly at present.

rossum

 

[Roseeurekacross]

It’s man made l take the thylacine for example. It was hunted into extinction about 70 years ago

 

[Bradskii]

I know nothing.

I’m not inclined to argue.

 

[Sonic]

I don’t know much about the good Father, but I do know he is an ultra-traditionalists with some peculiar views.

LOL! You just contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

“I don’t know much about the good Father” |~~| “I do know he is an ultra-traditionalists with some peculiar views.”

Which is it? It can’t be both at the same time. The first statement pretty much negates the second.