Evolution refuting catholicism?

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buffalo:
Then if science cannot account for the supernatural because of its limited site, we should add a new discipline to study. After all we are after the “whole” truth, not just the “scientific” truth. Aren’t we???
Buffalo, I would like you to please answer me these three questions. Are you a Catholic? Are you a Freemason? Do you love Christ? These are three simple questions that you should feel comfortable enough to answer if you consider yourself to be an honest person. In all fairness, until you answer these simple questions for me why should I answer your questions?

As it stands you are a very small voice drifting out to sea by a mighty forceful sea of opposition. You are drowning because your imaginary boat is sinking. I’d like to help you out but am unable to throw you a rope because you keep tangling the darn thing around and around yourself. Without your answers to my questions, I can’t begin to assist you.

Mary ~

p.s. Vern, thank you. :tiphat: I’ll be sure to give ya all a jingle when I do return to your neck of the woods. I was reading about Magnetic Mountain. Very interesting. Is there any truth to this?
http://www.lightworker.com/HotSpots/arkansas/arkansasarticle.shtml
I’m a dowser. It runs in the family. Been able to find metal and water. Recall going to a big lake outside of Springfield and found some rocks then later placed them in the tub and they bubbled the bathwater up. Strangest thing I ever saw. Neat though ~ Mary
 
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ISABUS:
Buffalo, I would like you to please answer me these three questions. Are you a Catholic? Are you a Freemason? Do you love Christ? These are three simple questions that you should feel comfortable enough to answer if you consider yourself to be an honest person. In all fairness, until you answer these simple questions for me why should I answer your questions?

As it stands you are a very small voice drifting out to sea by a mighty forceful sea of opposition. You are drowning because your imaginary boat is sinking. I’d like to help you out but am unable to throw you a rope because you keep tangling the darn thing around and around yourself. Without your answers to my questions, I can’t begin to assist you.

Mary ~

p.s. Vern, thank you. :tiphat: I’ll be sure to give ya all a jingle when I do return to your neck of the woods. I was reading about Magnetic Mountain. Very interesting. Is there any truth to this?
http://www.lightworker.com/HotSpots/arkansas/arkansasarticle.shtml
I’m a dowser. It runs in the family. Been able to find metal and water. Recall going to a big lake outside of Springfield and found some rocks then later placed them in the tub and they bubbled the bathwater up. Strangest thing I ever saw. Neat though ~ Mary
Cut it out already about the freemason bs. I don’t need an answer from you. Every time I ask questions of you and Vern to answer I get these general replies. Then you launch into this same bs about freemasonry. Besides I already answered you before.

Answers like “it’s not Catholic” are bogus. Why isn’t it Catholic? By whose authority? Cite me sources.
 
buffalo said:
1. What is the official position of the church?.

Don’t play the fool. Thre Church’s position is that there is no conflict between science and religion, and that those areas where the Church has concerns (such as the soul) are outside the realm of science.

buffalo said:
2. Why is it not objective?

Given that you are the one advancing the positive issue, the burden of proof is on you to show that they ARE objective.

We have seen many posts in this thread, however, that quote respected scientists who have concluded that they are not objective.

buffalo said:
3. So? Many conclusions of the Catholic Church are based on theological grounds.

Again, don’t play the fool. Behe et al are NOT authorized by the Church to teach theology.
 
Buffalo,

In my part of the world, schools teach about different cultures and their religions (theology) in History classes not in Science classes. I’m curious, are you wondering why they don’t teach Freemasony to students? I figure intelligent, responsible and caring people such as teachers and parents think it’s unhealthy and unwise that children should learn about ‘keeping secrets’ and ‘practising the occult’. Can’t say I blame them for wanting to protect the innocent minds of children. :whistle:
 
Brown10985 said:
**310 **But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it? With infinite power God could always create something better. But with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” toward its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature. With physical good there exists also physical evil as long as creation has not reached perfection.

How could physical evil be here since the beginning? That would mean that God created evil.According to Catholic teaching,God created everything perfect and good before the Fall.I think this statement has to pertain to things after the Fall.
 
vern humphrey:
Don’t play the fool. Thre Church’s position is that there is no conflict between science and religion, and that those areas where the Church has concerns (such as the soul) are outside the realm of science.

Given that you are the one advancing the positive issue, the burden of proof is on you to show that they ARE objective.

We have seen many posts in this thread, however, that quote respected scientists who have concluded that they are not objective.

Again, don’t play the fool. Behe et al are NOT authorized by the Church to teach theology.
  1. We have always agreed on 1. Maybe where we differ is your absolute faith in current science. I am more open minded and understand the limits of science to describe our origins. Incidentally, because of this science the Church has retreated form earlier teachings that it held for 1800 years.
  2. The Church allows its members to believe in a certain form of evolution as long as certain specifics are adhered to. How does your view of evolution reconcile the teachings from 600 on about Eve being taken from Adam. Does you belief in evolution contradict this? Have you just eliminated it from your view because it is inconvenient? The Church’s official position is that a good Catholic can take Genesis literally, though some parts use figurative language. From this I conclude the Church isn’t sure and is open to wherever this leads us so long as the certain specifics are not violated. Did something change while I wasn’t looking?
  3. Do you disagree that many respected scientists that are often quoted here have a lens that they look through has influence on their writings? Who respects these scientists?
 
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SCTA-1:
How could physical evil be here since the beginning? That would mean that God created evil.According to Catholic teaching,God created everything perfect and good before the Fall.I think this statement has to pertain to things after the Fall.
One possible way to harmonize this is to imagine that the effects of the Fall propagated through the entire universe, forward and backwards in time. Perhaps Paradise now exists outside of our reckoning, as all previous and future history is fractured by the Fall. Since a crucial component of God’s character must lie outside of space and time, we ought not to regard supernatural phenomena as bound to our linear and unidirectional sense of time.
 
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ISABUS:
Buffalo,

In my part of the world, schools teach about different cultures and their religions (theology) in History classes not in Science classes. I’m curious, are you wondering why they don’t teach Freemasony to students? I figure intelligent, responsible and caring people such as teachers and parents think it’s unhealthy and unwise that children should learn about ‘keeping secrets’ and ‘practising the occult’. Can’t say I blame them for wanting to protect the innocent minds of children. :whistle:
So then you are a proponent of teaching the lowest common denominator. Do you believe this is the best description of our origins? Without some critical thinking, most students faith is systematically destroyed by presenting science as the only way to know. This by the way is a recent development and has not always been so. If you don’t wish it to be taught in science class could we agree to advance a course on Origins that would include supernatural and metaphysical approaches?
 
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buffalo:
Cut it out already about the freemason bs. I don’t need an answer from you. Every time I ask questions of you and Vern to answer I get these general replies. Then you launch into this same bs about freemasonry. Besides I already answered you before.

Answers like “it’s not Catholic” are bogus. Why isn’t it Catholic? By whose authority? Cite me sources.
Bufflo, you ask questions and have been given responses but you have yet to answer my three simple questions. If you have posted answers to them and I haven’t seen them would you direct me to them.

Let me take a different approach. Why don’t you share with us what you do know about Freemasonary. By the way, I do recall when I became a member there was mention that we could ask someone if they were Catholic or such.

I have done a lot of research on Freemasonary and am beginning to firmly believe that is one of the main factors behind the ID movement that is taking place today. If you are a Freemason or not why can’t you just say yes or no? There are Catholics in the church today who are Freemasons. I know that for a fact. One thing they will never admit to saying is they love Christ. Do you love Christ? Why do you take offense with my asking a question as such. Even the atheists or agnostics will at least be honest. I have great respect for that. You keep dodging these questions and it only brings attention to you. Maybe you have answered my questions and I have overlooked them. If so, please let me know.
Thanks.
 
buffalo said:
1. We have always agreed on 1. Maybe where we differ is your absolute faith in current science. I am more open minded and understand the limits of science to describe our origins. Incidentally, because of this science the Church has retreated form earlier teachings that it held for 1800 years.

I don’t have “faith” (absolute or otherwise) in science. Science is not a matter of faith, but of evidence.

buffalo said:
2. The Church allows its members to believe in a certain form of evolution as long as certain specifics are adhered to. How does your view of evolution reconcile the teachings from 600 on about Eve being taken from Adam. Does you belief in evolution contradict this? Have you just eliminated it from your view because it is inconvenient? The Church’s official position is that a good Catholic can take Genesis literally, though some parts use figurative language. From this I conclude the Church isn’t sure and is open to wherever this leads us so long as the certain specifics are not violated. Did something change while I wasn’t looking?

The Church does not, however, allow its members to simultaneously hold another religion along with Catholicism. That is why the Church licenses theologians, and why we have the nihil obstat and the imprimatur.

Behe and company are not licensed, and their speculations are Fundamentalist in nature.

buffalo said:
3. Do you disagree that many respected scientists that are often quoted here have a lens that they look through has influence on their writings? Who respects these scientists?

I think you and Behe have a lens. I suggest that the scientific method, which includes peer review establishes grounds for respect. Measured by that yardstick, Behe and company are neither Catholic nor “respected scientists.”
 
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ISABUS:
Bufflo, you ask questions and have been given responses but you have yet to answer my three simple questions. If you have posted answers to them and I haven’t seen them would you direct me to them.

Let me take a different approach. Why don’t you share with us what you do know about Freemasonary. By the way, I do recall when I became a member there was mention that we could ask someone if they were Catholic or such.

I have done a lot of research on Freemasonary and am beginning to firmly believe that is one of the main factors behind the ID movement that is taking place today. If you are a Freemason or not why can’t you just say yes or no? There are Catholics in the church today who are Freemasons. I know that for a fact. One thing they will never admit to saying is they love Christ. Do you love Christ? Why do you take offense with my asking a question as such. Even the atheists or agnostics will at least be honest. I have great respect for that. You keep dodging these questions and it only brings attention to you. Maybe you have answered my questions and I have overlooked them. If so, please let me know.
Thanks.
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=333934&postcount=275

“Do you love Christ?” I don’t think you asked me that particular question before.

However, I have no problem asnwering it.

Yes, I love Jesus Christ, always have and always will.

Now to be fair please answer my questions directly.

I really don’t know about freemasonry except as a child I learned we were forbidden to be one. Since you have been studying freemasonry what about it leads you to believe they are behind the ID movement?

If they are, as you assert, and they add validly to our understanding of origins then why do you exclude thier view? Why don’t you exclude an atheists view, ie Darwinism, then?
 
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buffalo:
So then you are a proponent of teaching the lowest common denominator. Do you believe this is the best description of our origins? Without some critical thinking, most students faith is systematically destroyed by presenting science as the only way to know. This by the way is a recent development and has not always been so. If you don’t wish it to be taught in science class could we agree to advance a course on Origins that would include supernatural and metaphysical approaches?
People where I live, including myself, won’t pass school bonds that will result in higher property taxes so their children can be taught supernatural and metaphysical courses. Honestly, you would be laughed right out of town! School board members would fown on your attendance at their meeting.

Start your own private school if you want to teach that kind of stuff. I personally think it is ridiculous to teach children or young adults about the supernatural or metaphysical in public schools.

Look at this website. You can see the mess Intelligent Design has done to a school in DOVER, Pennsylvania. Here is the article:

DOVER, Pennsylvania - The Dover school board has raised eyebrows and ire across Pennsylvania and the country after requiring math teachers to offer 3 as an acceptable value of Pi. Pi is the name given to the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its diameter, commonly accepted to be 3.141592, though the actual number is believed to go on endlessly, without repeating. “That’s all well and good,” said Maureen Callister, Dover school board member, “But what about God? Doesn’t he have a say?” Callister cited the Bible, First Kings chapter 7, verse 23, where it says, “He [King Solomon] proceeded to make the molten sea ten cubits from its brim to its other brim, …] and it took a line of thirty cubits to circle all around it.” “If 3 is a good enough ‘pi’ for the Almighty, then it ought to be good enough for us,” stated Callister.
“Listen, I go to church on Sundays, I tithe, I don’t need this.”
-- Timothy Ernesto, Math Teacher​

“Listen, I go to church on Sundays, I tithe, I don’t need this,” said Timothy Ernesto, a 10th grade math teacher in the district, “I need to get these kids ready for the rest of their lives, the SAT’s, the ACT, the whole alphabet soup of testing they’ll face before college. On top of all that, I have to teach an ‘alternate reality’ flavor of mathematics? I’m going to need my summer off!”

Dover, having come under fire for its recent decision to teach ‘intelligent design’ as an alternative to evolution, is raising more than just the ire of its math teachers. “They’ve gotten the passage all wrong,” said Mordecai Price, pastor of Dover’s First Angelic Salvation Church of Redemption, “It isn’t meant to be interpreted as exactly 10 cubits or exactly 30 cubits. When did you ever read about 3.14 cubits? If we simply assume that the diameter was 9.65 cubits and the circumference was 30.32 cubits, then we get a very reasonable ratio of 3.142. They’ve simply failed to allow the correct understanding to shine through.”

“We firmly believe that God already explained himself adequately, and he doesn’t need us to second-guess him,” defended Callister, “Besides, who ever really uses this stuff after school, anyway?”

**thebentinel.com/041201-alternative-value-for-pi.html
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That’s my point. Although I think that this teacher is applying things wrongly. I have seen the same type of things in other subjects as well as science, ie evolution pictures and ideas in textbooks have been clearly hoaxes and wrong. Some of these textbooks are still being used.

To use your same approach, what has science teaching done to the faith of the world over the last 150 years? Would you argue it has increased faith and morals or decreased them?
 
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buffalo:
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=333934&postcount=275

“Do you love Christ?” I don’t think you asked me that particular question before.

However, I have no problem asnwering it.

Yes, I love Jesus Christ, always have and always will.

Now to be fair please answer my questions directly.

I really don’t know about freemasonry except as a child I learned we were forbidden to be one. Since you have been studying freemasonry what about it leads you to believe they are behind the ID movement?

If they are, as you assert, and they add validly to our understanding of origins then why do you exclude thier view? Why don’t you exclude an atheists view, ie Darwinism, then?
Thank you, Buffalo. I’ll supply you with information about Freemasony and why I think it is connected to ID. I’ll do that later this evening or tomorrow morning. Funny thing is that I have to prepare for my weekend guests. My best and oldest girlfriend is coming to visit me with her husband. She used to be a Job’s daughter and her father a Mason. I learned a lot from her and from research on the web.

Buffalo, I will share this one thing my girlfriend told me less than 3 months ago. She told me as a Job’s daughter (Masons have their children join. The girls are called Job’s daughters) that she was instructed to invite all her friends except for any Catholic ones because they would have to go to confession and the Freemasons didn’t want that to happen. It took her a long time to tell me “the secrets” they told her never to tell. She cried for hours and told me near everything. She felt much better. And now as an adult understood why Freemasonary was not good. Freemasons teach their children to keep secrets. Think about how dangerous it is to have a child learn the “importance” of keeping secrets. Not good. Not good at all. Use your imagination to visualize all the horrid things that could happen to child who was taught to keep a secret and how they may as adults believe secrets are a way of life. Not good. And not a Christian way of living at all.

I appeciate your response. Again, thank you.🙂

Mary ~
 
This is an interesting story. Note the last few paragraphs.

biomedcentral.com/news/20040903/04

Sternberg said he was concerned that some in the science community have labeled him and Meyer as creationists. “It’s fascinating how the ‘creationist’ label is falsely applied to anyone who raises any questions about neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory,” he said. “The reaction to the paper by some [anti-creationist] extremists suggests that the thought police are alive and well in the scientific community.”

Sternberg has ties to the intelligent design community, but he identifies himself as “a structuralist who has given several papers and presentations critiquing creationism.” He is on the editorial board of the Baraminology Study Group at Bryan College, Dayton, Tenn. Baraminology, a term introduced in 1990, views biological creation as happening instantly, rather than through evolutionary descent. Sternberg is slated to attend a meeting in October entitled “Evolution, Intelligent Design, and the Future of Biology.” The meeting’s Web site describes Sternberg’s talk as an explanation of why “biology is better understood as a product of intelligent design.”

Robert L. Crowther, director of communications at the Discovery Institute, drew a clear distinction “between the scientific theory of intelligent design and creationism.”

“Dr. Meyer is a well-known proponent of intelligent design and that is what his paper is about,” Crowther wrote in an E-mail to The Scientist. “To try and characterize him as a creationist is just an attempt to stigmatize him and marginalize his paper, all the while avoiding the scientific issues that it raises.”

Meyer said: “I have received a number of private communications from scientists expressing their agreement or intrigue with the arguments that I develop in my article. Public reaction to the article, however, has been mainly characterized by hysteria, name-calling and personal attack.” Labels, he said, "are ultimately a diversion."
 
Afer pointing our that it was scientists like Einstein, etc. who popularized intelligent design.
Theoretical physicist Albert Einstein:
"The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation… His religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection."14]
Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking:
“The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron… The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life.”

So, now we make a logical conclusion. If intellligent design is scientific and is accepted by the best scientists is the world in regards to the origins of the universe, then it could also be scientific when applied to the origins and developement of life on earth. Whether you think Darwinian evolution is correct or not, you cannot exclude intelligent design for the evolution of life on earth on the grounds that it cannot be accepted as a scientific explanation. If intelligent design cannot be accepted as a scientific explanation, then tell Einstein, Hawking, and etc., they are wrong for accepting this explanation for the origins of the universe.
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Thus, you must defend Darwinian evolution on its merits alone.
You cannot defend Darwinian evolution on the priniciple that intelligent design is not scientific, when the very best, the most well respected scientists in the world accept the principle of intelligent design as a scientific principle.

The problem is that Darwinian evolution was an old theory, that once sounded plausible, because at that time scientists were ignorant of certain scientific facts. Newer studies make in clear that Darwinian evolution is impossible. There are just too many scientific facts that contradict the theory.

That is why more and more scientists, like molecular biologist Michael Behe and others are proposing that evolutionists are going to have to accept the facts, and become objective like Einstein, Hawking and others did in regards to the origins of the universe. Evolutionists are going to have to stop believing in the materialist philosophy which is not a scientific philosophy, and they must be open minded and accept ALL possible scientific explanations in regards to the developement of life on earth.

Now, we are getting more and more objective scientists who see some aspects of evolution as possibly true, such as a common ancestor, but at the same time they know that scientific facts exclude Darwinian evolution. Since good science does allow intelligent design as a scientific explanation of known facts, then they see no reason intelligent design, using a common ancestor, could not be the best explanation.

Some people, like Hawking think a common ancestor must mean Darwinian evolution.
Those more open, such as Behe, see a better explanation, which can explain all the Darwinian contradictions with the scientific accepted explanation of intelligent design, combined with that of a common ancestor.

We may well notice that in the physical sciences it was a Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre
catholiceducation.org/articles/science/sc0022.html
who opened the mind of Einstein and others to intelligent design, and in the biological scientists it is again a Catholic,
Michael Behe who is beginning to open the mind of evolutionists to intelligent design.
One finally got his material in peer-reviewed scienfic journal.
freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1286965/posts
But, anyone can see the how hard other scientists tried to censor his article, even though it was approved by three scientists.
It is because the sin of pride that we become blind to what is true. Only the humble can learn. The proud think they know everything already.
 
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dcdurel:
Afer pointing our that it was scientists like Einstein, etc. who popularized intelligent design.
It has been pointed out to you that, while entertaining the notion that there may be some hints at a fundamental design in the Universe, Einstein and Hawking also make clear that they would never support your arguments. Your mining of quotes taken out of context must stop. It is disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst.
So, now we make a logical conclusion. If intellligent design is scientific and is accepted by the best scientists is the world in regards to the origins of the universe
It is not scientific, nor is it accepted by the “best scientists in the world”. It is the case that some scientists have wondered about it and written down some thoughts about its plausibility, but you are taking advantage of their openness. You claim that it is scientific — why do you say this? It is a strong statement, one which you have not supported. I’ll start: design arguments make no distinctions between themselves and “natural” evolution; there is no way to test a system to see if it had evolved according to a natural progression or if it had been designed. To be a scientific theory, we need to be able to draw distinctions between it and the alternatives. It makes no new predictions about future forms. It makes no predictions about past forms, either in the fossil record or in genetic material, that would favor it over some other competing theory. In what sense is it scientific?
The problem is that Darwinian evolution was an old theory, that once sounded plausible, because at that time scientists were ignorant of certain scientific facts. Newer studies make in clear that Darwinian evolution is impossible. There are just too many scientific facts that contradict the theory.
Ok, I’m willing to entertain the possibility that you know something that the entire world of biologists, geologists, zoologists, and physicists don’t know — something that would possibly win them a Nobel Prize were they to come out and expose these facts. Here’s your chance. What are these scientific facts?

The more likely possibility that you may want to consider is that your knowledge of science is flawed and incomplete.
Evolutionists are going to have to stop believing in the materialist philosophy which is not a scientific philosophy, and they must be open minded and accept ALL possible scientific explanations in regards to the developement of life on earth.
No. This is absolutely wrong, and indicative of your misunderstanding of scientific principles. Scientists need not accept all possible scientific explanations. Science demands that, if the explanations are indeed scientific, they are to be tested and evaluated according to experiment and observation with respect to their predictions or assumptions.
It is because the sin of pride that we become blind to what is true. Only the humble can learn. The proud think they know everything already.
Indeed.
 
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dcdurel:
Afer pointing our that it was scientists like Einstein, etc. who popularized intelligent design.
Theoretical physicist Albert Einstein:
"The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation… His religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection."14]
Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking:
“The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron… The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life.”

So, now we make a logical conclusion. If intellligent design is scientific and is accepted by the best scientists is the world in regards to the origins of the universe, then it could also be scientific when applied to the origins and developement of life on earth. Whether you think Darwinian evolution is correct or not, you cannot exclude intelligent design for the evolution of life on earth on the grounds that it cannot be accepted as a scientific explanation. If intelligent design cannot be accepted as a scientific explanation, then tell Einstein, Hawking, and etc., they are wrong for accepting this explanation for the origins of the universe.
Code:
 Thus, you must defend Darwinian evolution on its merits alone.
You cannot defend Darwinian evolution on the priniciple that intelligent design is not scientific, when the very best, the most well respected scientists in the world accept the principle of intelligent design as a scientific principle.

The problem is that Darwinian evolution was an old theory, that once sounded plausible, because at that time scientists were ignorant of certain scientific facts. Newer studies make in clear that Darwinian evolution is impossible. There are just too many scientific facts that contradict the theory.

That is why more and more scientists, like molecular biologist Michael Behe and others are proposing that evolutionists are going to have to accept the facts, and become objective like Einstein, Hawking and others did in regards to the origins of the universe. Evolutionists are going to have to stop believing in the materialist philosophy which is not a scientific philosophy, and they must be open minded and accept ALL possible scientific explanations in regards to the developement of life on earth.

Now, we are getting more and more objective scientists who see some aspects of evolution as possibly true, such as a common ancestor, but at the same time they know that scientific facts exclude Darwinian evolution. Since good science does allow intelligent design as a scientific explanation of known facts, then they see no reason intelligent design, using a common ancestor, could not be the best explanation.

Some people, like Hawking think a common ancestor must mean Darwinian evolution.
Those more open, such as Behe, see a better explanation, which can explain all the Darwinian contradictions with the scientific accepted explanation of intelligent design, combined with that of a common ancestor.

We may well notice that in the physical sciences it was a Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre
catholiceducation.org/articles/science/sc0022.html
who opened the mind of Einstein and others to intelligent design, and in the biological scientists it is again a Catholic,
Michael Behe who is beginning to open the mind of evolutionists to intelligent design.
One finally got his material in peer-reviewed scienfic journal.
freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1286965/posts
But, anyone can see the how hard other scientists tried to censor his article, even though it was approved by three scientists.
It is because the sin of pride that we become blind to what is true. Only the humble can learn. The proud think they know everything already.
Nice post DC.
 
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wanerious:
It is not scientific, nor is it accepted by the “best scientists in the world”. It is the case that some scientists have wondered about it and written down some thoughts about its plausibility, but you are taking advantage of their openness. You claim that it is scientific — why do you say this? It is a strong statement, one which you have not supported. I’ll start: design arguments make no distinctions between themselves and “natural” evolution; there is no way to test a system to see if it had evolved according to a natural progression or if it had been designed. To be a scientific theory, we need to be able to draw distinctions between it and the alternatives. It makes no new predictions about future forms. It makes no predictions about past forms, either in the fossil record or in genetic material, that would favor it over some other competing theory. In what sense is it scientific?

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Would a search for patterns be scientific in nature? Can you apply quantum physics to probabilities of patterns?
 
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