Ex-Gay Organizations or groups

[Kevin_Walker]

Does anyone know the name of any ex-Gay organizations or groups?

pfox.org/PFOX-Large.html

It seems to me that the members of ex-Gay organizations have the strongest argument against the genetic causes of homosexuality, the efficacy of the power of prayer, and that homosexuality can be treated, cured, and removed from society.

If then homosexuality is treatable, then it should be put back in the Diagnostics and Staticians Manual (the D.S.M.) and be rightfully treated as a mental health disorder, and not a preference.

 

[buffalo]

S**TEPHEN BENNETT MINISTRIES, INC. **(SBM, INC.)

Stephen Bennett Ministries, Inc. (SBM, Inc.) is a pro-family organization advocating for the traditional family, the protection of children and proclaiming the truth about homosexuality.

  SBM was founded in 2000 by [Stephen Bennett](http://www.sbministries.org/media.html), a former homosexual. Stephen is happily married now for almost 12 years to his beautiful wife Irene and he is the father of their two little children.

   

  Stephen's story of abandoning the homosexual lifestyle was recorded in September 2000 on his first CD, *[I Believe in Miracles](http://www.sbministries.org/music.html)*.  Bennett's [testimony](http://www.sbministries.org/testimon.html) and music instantly began spreading throughout Christian and secular media outlets, eventually leading him and his family into full time Christian ministry. Today, Stephen Bennett’s music can be heard nationally on Christian radio.

 

[Brad]

Love Won Out

family.org/fofmag/pp/a0024030.cfm

 

[Brad]

Kevin Walker:

Does anyone know the name of any ex-Gay organizations or groups?

pfox.org/PFOX-Large.html

It seems to me that the members of ex-Gay organizations have the strongest argument against the genetic causes of homosexuality, the efficacy of the power of prayer, and that homosexuality can be treated, cured, and removed from society.

If then homosexuality is treatable, then it should be put back in the Diagnostics and Staticians Manual (the D.S.M.) and be rightfully treated as a mental health disorder, and not a preference.

It’s treatable for those that accept treatment (like other mental disorders):

narth.com/

narth.com/docs/joe-why.html

Success rate is comparable to other mental disorders:

1/3 complete success
1/3 still have feelings towards but able to live lifestyle outside of homosexuality
1/3 quit treatment

 

[kmktexas]

Those numbers are actually quite encouraging. Many other mental disorders have a pharmaceutical therapy available. If such a time came that the homosexual community really gained equal rights and stopped being denied medical and psychological treatment, I could see a drug therapy being developed that would substantially increase the success rate.

 

[Kevin_Walker]

Brad:

It’s treatable for those that accept treatment (like other mental disorders):

narth.com/

narth.com/docs/joe-why.html

Success rate is comparable to other mental disorders:

1/3 complete success
1/3 still have feelings towards but able to live lifestyle outside of homosexuality
1/3 quit treatment

I find it amazing with both the Narth organization and St. Lukes Institute and all the available information regarding homosexual behaviour that the Catholic Church should have a homosexual problem at all!

Homosexuals should not be allowed in positions demanding emotional stability and clarity of thought!

 

[Brad]

Kevin Walker:

I find it amazing with both the Narth organization and St. Lukes Institute and all the available information regarding homosexual behaviour that the Catholic Church should have a homosexual problem at all!

Homosexuals should not be allowed in positions demanding emotional stability and clarity of thought!

Satan finds a way for those that ignore him. Many in the Church have been ignoring him since the 60s.

 

[Tlaloc]

Kevin Walker:

Does anyone know the name of any ex-Gay organizations or groups?

Exodus is a fairly famous one.

It seems to me that the members of ex-Gay organizations have the strongest argument against the genetic causes of homosexuality, the efficacy of the power of prayer, and that homosexuality can be treated, cured, and removed from society.

That doesn’t follow. Alcoholism has a genetic component and yet people join AA. Besides which the honest ex-gay groups admit they can never make a gay straight, they can at best only make him not engage in homosexual activities.

If then homosexuality is treatable, then it should be put back in the Diagnostics and Staticians Manual (the D.S.M.) and be rightfully treated as a mental health disorder, and not a preference.

Psychologists, on the whole, concur it is not a mental disorder.

 

[Tlaloc]

Kevin Walker:

Homosexuals should not be allowed in positions demanding emotional stability and clarity of thought!

Some say the same thing about those who are religious. They’re wrong too.

 

[Kevin_Walker]

Tlaloc:

Some say the same thing about those who are religious. They’re wrong too.

Yet those who say it about homosexuals have more clout: the Federal Government, the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, the Catholic Church, the Armed Forces military academies; most police departments, nursery schools, eleven States which voted against a ‘Gay’ marriage bill, and responsible parents in general.

 

[Kevin_Walker]

Tlaloc:

Exodus is a fairly famous one.

That doesn’t follow. Alcoholism has a genetic component and yet people join AA. Besides which the honest ex-gay groups admit they can never make a gay straight, they can at best only make him not engage in homosexual activities.

Psychologists, on the whole, concur it is not a mental disorder.

Again, you are confusing digressions for correlations - there is no correlation between alcoholism and homosexuality. Alcoholism is an addiction, homosexuality is not an addiction (or a disease). It appears that honest ex-Gay groups do admit that homosexuals can become heterosexuals, as has been attested to in other posts on this Catholic forum.

Psychologists, and Psychiatrists, on the whole, are divided on the issue of homosexuality as a mental disorder, there is new debate in light of all the released documentation from the sexual abuse scandal in the Church.

So oh Aztec God ‘who urinates from his mouth’, why are you steadfastly obfuscating the truth about homosexual marriage on a Catholic Forum? Hmmmmmm?

 

[Brad]

Tlaloc:

That doesn’t follow. Alcoholism has a genetic component and yet people join AA. Besides which the honest ex-gay groups admit they can never make a gay straight, they can at best only make him not engage in homosexual activities.

A “genetic component” does not make something genetic. It simply means there may be a tendency towards a particular type of behavior. In alcoholics, it happens to be alcoholism, mainly because alcohol is accessible and the environment was ripe. The environment is by far the largest factor in both alcoholism (which can be cured) and hoosexuality (which also can be cured).

Tlaloc:

Psychologists, on the whole, concur it is not a mental disorder.

Psychologists, on the whole, have to have a positive relationship with the APA which says it is not a mental disorder. This was the result of 2 prominent psychologists that it was taken off the list of mental disorders. Since then, both of those psychologists have stated it can be successfully treated.

 

[goofyjim]

Just glancing through this thread and finding the same attacks from both sides refusing to love the other. I do not condone the lifestyle but if on has the temptation or thoughts it need not be classified as a mental disorder or illness. It does not decrease emotional stability or clarity of thought. In fact those who struggle and get criticized by both for not giving in in either direction, meaning non-active homosexually attracted people, have survived enough abuse from the whole world and should be highly praised for having made it. The same could be said for anyone who remains chaste or abstinent regardless of what temptations they may deal with. Let’s stop the hatred from both ends please. It will not bring about the kingdom.

 

[Tlaloc]

Kevin Walker:

Again, you are confusing digressions for correlations - there is no correlation between alcoholism and homosexuality. Alcoholism is an addiction, homosexuality is not an addiction (or a disease).

There is the connection that both contain a genetic aspect. Oh yeah!

It appears that honest ex-Gay groups do admit that homosexuals can become heterosexuals, as has been attested to in other posts on this Catholic forum.

No that’d be the dishonest ones. The honest ones are clear about the limitations.

Psychologists, and Psychiatrists, on the whole, are divided on the issue of homosexuality as a mental disorder, there is new debate in light of all the released documentation from the sexual abuse scandal in the Church.

Any sizable body of the population is going to be divided on any topic of relevence. Still as a whole Psychologists and Psychiatrists agree that it’s not abnormal. The stragglers really don’t matter do they? Any more than the remaining flat earthers matter to NASA.

 

[Tlaloc]

Brad:

A “genetic component” does not make something genetic.

Thats an argument I’ve genuinely never heard before.

It simply means there may be a tendency towards a particular type of behavior. In alcoholics, it happens to be alcoholism, mainly because alcohol is accessible and the environment was ripe. The environment is by far the largest factor in both alcoholism (which can be cured) and hoosexuality (which also can be cured).

Alcoholism with a genetic root can’t be cured. It can be treated but the person will always have that predisposition toward it. Similarly Gays can indeed be “treated” and made to act hetero but they’ll still always have that predisposition. The difference is that alcoholism by definition is an addictive behavior and causes problems. Homosexuality is not a harmful behavior should society decide to grow up one day.

Psychologists, on the whole, have to have a positive relationship with the APA which says it is not a mental disorder. This was the result of 2 prominent psychologists that it was taken off the list of mental disorders. Since then, both of those psychologists have stated it can be successfully treated.

Funny they give a totally different history about a panel of experts and data reviewed, but I’m sure you know their inner workings much better than they do.

 

[Lisa_N]

Tlaloc:

Any sizable body of the population is going to be divided on any topic of relevence. Still as a whole Psychologists and Psychiatrists agree that it’s not abnormal. The stragglers really don’t matter do they? Any more than the remaining flat earthers matter to NASA.

My understanding is that homosexuality was removed as a diagnosis of a MENTAL ILLNESS, not that it was deemed normal by the APA. Futher even homosexual activists acknowledge that the change was not based on any kind of research or consensus amongst the group but more of a political capitulation to pressure groups. After all the term ‘mental illness’ is quite perjorative.

Look at the definition of normal Tlaloc: Confirming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level or type. Biology: Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies.

Now even though this is a Catholic list I know you are unimpressed with religious truths. So let’s stick to biology. All species of animals, including humans, have a biological “program” to do two things, survive and procreate. Survival is generally based on the need to live long enough to procreate and those species that fail to procreate disappear. So strictly from a biological basis there is no rationale to defend homosexual activity. It is both risky and by definition does not allow procreation. Normal? Oh I don’t think you have much evidence of that.

Now if normal simply means normal for you, then admit that you have no point of reference other than your own emotions and desires. There is no truth, there is only desire. Or to paraphrase Woody Allen after he engaged in sex with his teenage stepdaughter, the heart wants what it wants.

Just don’t try to pretend there is any rational or normalacy involved.

Lisa N

 

[Kevin_Walker]

Tlaloc:

There is the connection that both contain a genetic aspect. Oh yeah!

No that’d be the dishonest ones. The honest ones are clear about the limitations.

Any sizable body of the population is going to be divided on any topic of relevence. Still as a whole Psychologists and Psychiatrists agree that it’s not abnormal. The stragglers really don’t matter do they? Any more than the remaining flat earthers matter to NASA.

Oliver Kamm would agree with me that there is no genetic basis to homosexuality.

Here is yet another internet site which is equal to or greater than those you provided which also has scientific proof that homosexuality is not genetic:

narth.com/docs/correctionletter1.html

 

[Tlaloc]

Lisa N:

My understanding is that homosexuality was removed as a diagnosis of a MENTAL ILLNESS, not that it was deemed normal by the APA.

read what they say about it:
apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html
it would seem they consider it a normal behavior.

Futher even homosexual activists acknowledge that the change was not based on any kind of research or consensus amongst the group but more of a political capitulation to pressure groups. After all the term ‘mental illness’ is quite perjorative.

Really?
Cause there was data going back to 1950 that said straight men and gay men were equally mentally healthy.
psychologymatters.org/hooker.html

Look at the definition of normal Tlaloc: Confirming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level or type. Biology: Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies.

Yes, and? Homosexuality is a part of our species nature. Remember the genetics?

Now even though this is a Catholic list I know you are unimpressed with religious truths.

Unconvinced would be more correct.

So let’s stick to biology. All species of animals, including humans, have a biological “program” to do two things, survive and procreate. Survival is generally based on the need to live long enough to procreate and those species that fail to procreate disappear. So strictly from a biological basis there is no rationale to defend homosexual activity. It is both risky and by definition does not allow procreation. Normal? Oh I don’t think you have much evidence of that.

Your knowledge of biology is rather out of date. Many species, including primates, exhibit behaviors that are altruistic or in other words bad for themselves but good for the troop (deliniating good and bad in terms of reproduction).

Now if normal simply means normal for you, then admit that you have no point of reference other than your own emotions and desires.

No I’m happy using normal to mean natural. Afterall homosexuality occurs naturally so it tends to support my position. I can live with that.

Just don’t try to pretend there is any rational or normalacy involved.

So after all the science you’ve gotten wrong and I’ve corrected you on when do you actually start to think “Gosh all the supporting evidence for my point has turned out false, maybe my conclusion is too.” Just wondering.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

I went to a performing arts high school and the homosexuals out numbers the heterosexuals,the friends I had freinds that were homosexual all had something in common either lack of presence of the parents of the same sex or the parent of the same sex was abusive and or sexual abuse at a young age by either the same sex or opposite sex.Anybody have any stats on that?

 

[lacoloratura]

Although I can’t quote them myself, I have HEARD many studies quoted in various media that indicate there is a pattern to the development of homosexual tendencies. A couple of factors I’ve heard mentioned regarding male homosexuality are domineering mothers and emotionally unavailable fathers, the combination of which leads the young man to seek love and acceptance from other men. But I’m not an expert. You might try looking for information on this topic by Fr. Benedict Groschel (sp?), who in addition to being a priest is also a psychologist.