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Kevin Walker:
But as one Catholic adult to another, as I would say to anyother equal, homosexuality IS a mental health disorder.
Just so you know, goofyjim, medical professionals on the whole don’t agree with Kevin. But if you want to get diagnosis from a random unqualified internet poster that’s your business. Me? I like people actually trained in whatever issue I’m dealing with.

Anyway you can look at this for what Psychiatrists say:
psych.org/public_info/gaylesbianandbisexualissues22701.pdf
 
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Tlaloc:
Yes that means no one can say it’s 34% genetic and 27% environement and so on. There is no rigorous understanding of the whole but parts of it have been proven and disproven. Unfortunately all you arguments seem to revolve around the parts that are disporven.
(Apparently pagan gods scored well on their reading comprehension)
Therefore, no one can say its genetic! Apparently ancient pagan gods where more intelligent than their namesakes?
 
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Tlaloc:
Just so you know, goofyjim, medical professionals on the whole don’t agree with Kevin. But if you want to get diagnosis from a random unqualified internet poster that’s your business. Me? I like people actually trained in whatever issue I’m dealing with.

Anyway you can look at this for what Psychiatrists say:
psych.org/public_info/gaylesbianandbisexualissues22701.pdf
Also, medical professionals don’t agree with each other, or with anonymous contributors with questionable thread names.
 
Kevin Walker:
A normal life is not what anybody is trying to prevent for a homosexual, but so-called ‘Gay’ marriage (which is incapable of self-reproduction) is not normal in any sense of the word.

Homosexuals should not be allowed in occupations which require sound and strong emotional stability and reasoning, those are two traits which the homosexual condition is really not noted!

The homosexual can do anything he or she wants to do within the realities of that condition. Same with schizophrenia or depressives or the autistic; you wouldn’t want someone with Alzheimers performing surgery on you? Or some neurotic directing a battle? The answer is no.

Homosexual Catholics are fine with me. In my particular Franciscan Church in Boston, I attend Mass with junkies, prostitutes, alcoholics, schizophrenics, drug addicts, depressives, runaways, drifters, bums & winos, and others afflicted with various levels of dementia, but I wouldn’t want anyone of them to be ordained as Priests and left in charge of children or giving advice on serious issues in a subjective manner or advancing their own agendas! I also don’t want homosexuals ordained as Priests for the same reasons.

These ex-Gay groups are intriguing because they are proof that homosexuality can be mitigated, and their methodology should be emulated…
Remember I am not fit for an exgay groups since I was never gay to begin with. I have, rather, spiritual issues of a different type to contend with. If we proceed we might need to start a new thread. I am inexperienced at this so you might want to create one.

It does create a similar experience to the civil rights movement though. Children will be everywhere. Do you suggest that we keep homosexuals or any other groups you mentioned segregated form society completely? And if adult recovering alcoholics are permitted to address children on the dangers of alcohol abuse why can not exgays do the same? This would involve some trust and prescreening but it would give thema firsthand testimony of the dangers. Every situation, no matter how similar is still unique and cannot be discarded from the learning experience of society in general.
 
Kevin Walker:
Therefore, no one can say its genetic! Apparently ancient pagan gods where more intelligent than their namesakes?
Kevin, no. They can’t say how much of it is genetic but that there is a genetic component has evidence. This isn’t exactly rocket science.

We can’t prove exactly how the weather works either but we know that water and coriolis effects and so on all play parts. I really can’t think of a simpler way to explain this to you.

Apparently ancient pagan gods had to explain things slowly and in small words.
 
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goofyjim:
Remember I am not fit for an exgay groups since I was never gay to begin with. I have, rather, spiritual issues of a different type to contend with. If we proceed we might need to start a new thread. I am inexperienced at this so you might want to create one.

It does create a similar experience to the civil rights movement though. Children will be everywhere. Do you suggest that we keep homosexuals or any other groups you mentioned segregated form society completely? And if adult recovering alcoholics are permitted to address children on the dangers of alcohol abuse why can not exgays do the same? This would involve some trust and prescreening but it would give thema firsthand testimony of the dangers. Every situation, no matter how similar is still unique and cannot be discarded from the learning experience of society in general.
No I am not advocating the segregation of homosexuals from society, just allowing the qualified access to the occupations best suited for them, and in my opinion, no homosexual is qualified to be an ordained Catholic Priest, because homosexuality is a mental health disorder lacking in emotional stability and characterized by irrational thinking. Otherwise homosexuals are free to work any occupation which their behaviour allows.
 
Kevin Walker:
Also, medical professionals don’t agree with each other,
That’s why I said “on a whole”

Yes there are a few out there that claim homosexuality is a disease. They are fortunately a minority.
or with anonymous contributors with questionable thread names
Unlike you I don’t give out medical advice without a license. I just point people toward what medical professionals have said.
 
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Tlaloc:
Kevin, no. They can’t say how much of it is genetic but that there is a genetic component has evidence. This isn’t exactly rocket science.

We can’t prove exactly how the weather works either but we know that water and coriolis effects and so on all play parts. I really can’t think of a simpler way to explain this to you.

Apparently ancient pagan gods had to explain things slowly and in small words.
You should have majored in philosophy and not physics, you are contradicting yourself. You cannot quote an APA article claiming that there is “no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality” then apply your relativism to defend your determinist (genetic) cause for homosexuality.

Apparently pagan god namesakes don’t get the big picture?
 
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Tlaloc:
That’s why I said “on a whole”

Yes there are a few out there that claim homosexuality is a disease. They are fortunately a minority.

Unlike you I don’t give out medical advice without a license. I just point people toward what medical professionals have said.
Homosexuality is not a disease, its a mental health affliction.

I have never given out psychological advice beyond that which I was trained (B.A. Psychology, and EMT training, some mental health counseling).

Sidenote: Physic majors are really convergent thinkers, aren’t they? They are so locked in the box.
 
Kevin Walker:
No I am not advocating the segregation of homosexuals from society, just allowing the qualified access to the occupations best suited for them, and in my opinion, no homosexual is qualified to be an ordained Catholic Priest, because homosexuality is a mental health disorder lacking in emotional stability and characterized by irrational thinking. Otherwise homosexuals are free to work any occupation which their behaviour allows.
You are repetitive but not listening well and have not answered the question. You, just a few posts back, said I sounded intelligent and respectable. Bu then return to inferring that I am characterized by emotional instability and irrational thinking. I do not see this as rational. I cannot accept that I am intelligent and irrational a the same time. Please let’s leave the character assassinations out of this.
 
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Tlaloc:
Just so you know, goofyjim, medical professionals on the whole don’t agree with Kevin. But if you want to get diagnosis from a random unqualified internet poster that’s your business. Me? I like people actually trained in whatever issue I’m dealing with.

Anyway you can look at this for what Psychiatrists say:
psych.org/public_info/gaylesbianandbisexualissues22701.pdf
I am fighting the battle on two fronts confirming my first remark. Why should I accept the position you embrace. The behavior has medical risks because of its very nature. (Forgive me if I don’t word it right). Even for an unbeliever it should still be simple to see it as not within the natural law. If you also would keep an open mind from your side and read the facts you might comprehend and begin the road to conversion.
 
Goodnight all and farewell for now. I will return but with my schedule I know not when. I f our paths do not cross in this life, God bless and see you in heaven.
 
The homosexual activists use the term " coming out". Ex-gays reverse it and say "coming out of homosexuality. How does ones know whether one is “in” one or the other? I agree to no define myself by temptations but the temptations haven’t diminished (not that I honestly have any desire whatsoever for sex to begin with). What do you call this and who is to judge what my status is as a Christian other than Jesus? We should cease discussion on this for the benefit of all parties. I’m willing but as I have said elsewhere I believe that someone may still use even this post against me in one way or the other. I dig the hole deeper and deeper. While I am not in despair I seek answers. It is not a psychiatric problem at this point. It is spiritual. I have my spiritual director whom I trust so I’ll will no longer discuss it with anyone else. But can anyone help to assure me that I have no fears of what I mentioned here?
 
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goofyjim:
“One can be free of all mental disorders and still experience homosexual temptations. This should put them on an even par with heterosexuals. But therein lies the problem. If it is true that we should refrain from labeling ourselves by our temptations then I am not homosexual. Of course I am not heterosexual either. I am a child of God.”
Well, good for you, goofyjim. I, too, dislike the labels. Unfortunately, we’re stuck with labels - homosexual, gay, queer, etc. (Why else would you or I be responding to this poll question. Indeed, the question would not be posed without the identifying label.)

Well, I’ll leave with a quote from the Bishops 2003 Statement, “Promote, Preserve, and Protect Marriage”:

"To promote, preserve, and protect marriage today requires, among other things, that we advocate for legislative and public policy initiatives that define and support marriage as a unique, essential relationship and institution. At a time when family life is under significant stress, the principled defense of marriage is an urgent necessity to ensure the flourishing of persons, the well being of children, and the common good of society.

Our defense of marriage must focus primarily on the importance of marriage, not on homosexuality or other matters.

The Church’s teaching about the dignity of homosexual persons is clear. They must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Our respect for them means we condemn all forms of unjust discrimination, harassment or abuse. Equally clear is the Church’s teaching about the meaning of sexual relations and their place only within married life.

What are called “homosexual unions,” because they do not express full human complementarity and because they are inherently non-procreative, cannot be given the status of marriage.

Recently, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a statement emphatically opposing the legalization of homosexual unions. Bishop Wilton D. Gregory, President of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, welcomed this statement and further articulated our own conviction that such “equivalence not only weakens the unique meaning of marriage; it also weakens the role of law itself by forcing the law to violate the truth of marriage and family life as the natural foundation of society and culture.”

usccb.org/comm/archives/2003/03-179.shtml
 
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Dolores49:
Well, good for you, goofyjim. I, too, dislike the labels. Unfortunately, we’re stuck with labels - homosexual, gay, queer, etc. (Why else would you or I be responding to this poll question. Indeed, the question would not be posed without the identifying label.)

Well, I’ll leave with a quote from the Bishops 2003 Statement, “Promote, Preserve, and Protect Marriage”:

"To promote, preserve, and protect marriage today requires, among other things, that we advocate for legislative and public policy initiatives that define and support marriage as a unique, essential relationship and institution. At a time when family life is under significant stress, the principled defense of marriage is an urgent necessity to ensure the flourishing of persons, the well being of children, and the common good of society.

Our defense of marriage must focus primarily on the importance of marriage, not on homosexuality or other matters.

The Church’s teaching about the dignity of homosexual persons is clear. They must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Our respect for them means we condemn all forms of unjust discrimination, harassment or abuse. Equally clear is the Church’s teaching about the meaning of sexual relations and their place only within married life.

What are called “homosexual unions,” because they do not express full human complementarity and because they are inherently non-procreative, cannot be given the status of marriage.

Recently, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a statement emphatically opposing the legalization of homosexual unions. Bishop Wilton D. Gregory, President of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, welcomed this statement and further articulated our own conviction that such “equivalence not only weakens the unique meaning of marriage; it also weakens the role of law itself by forcing the law to violate the truth of marriage and family life as the natural foundation of society and culture.”

usccb.org/comm/archives/2003/03-179.shtml
I find, even after my past errors, that hte best way to do that is not refer to them as homosexual persons. Which leads to not calling them former homosexuals persons. This is Satan’s way of using the past against your future. Is this not the compassion called for in the statement quoted.🙂

I sure I hope I’m using the correct smile faces.
 
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Tlaloc:
Heh. You completely misunderstand what he meant. he wasn’t saying it was treatable but that it changes over time.
You’re right, Kinsey didn’t say it was treatable. If something changes over time, it’s not treatable? That makes no sense. That’s like saying obesity can change over time but it’s not treatable by exercise and eating less.
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Tlaloc:
They also say that “treatment” doesn’t work. So does the American Psychiatric Association. You left that part out. Again a person may change sexualities but on their own, not with “treatment.”
I didn’t say that the APA said anything, I specifically referred only to the past president of the APA.
 
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