Exclusive: Carson claimed West Point 'scholarship' but never applied

[sallybutler]

How about his behavior over the past forty some years as not only an adult but as a brain surgeon?This requires not only mental and physical stamina ,but patience as well.He no doubt has had to stand for hours,doing intricate brain surgery requiring a mental discipline that would bode well for any president. What he might have done as a hormonal teenager,really should have no bearing on what he is now or could be as a world leader:shrug:

So I can assume that you do not believe people who have committed a crime as a teenager should have to pay for it for the rest of their life. A teenager that gets arrested for having pot or drinking or having sex or committing a crime, including murder, should not be judged as an adult for these actions?

Sorry, but while I do believe that people can change, I am not sure I want to trust them with the ‘football’.

 

[Jeanne_S]

So I can assume that you do not believe people who have committed a crime as a teenager should have to pay for it for the rest of their life. A teenager that gets arrested for having pot or drinking or having sex or committing a crime, including murder, should not be judged as an adult for these actions?

Sorry, but while I do believe that people can change, I am not sure I want to trust them with the ‘football’.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Of course he is admirable. And he has been responsible for the life or death of one person at a time. However, he was not able to stay cool under the pressure of being questioned by reporters. What will happen when he has to deal with a North Korean or Chinese head of state making threats?

how was he not able to stay cool under the pressure of being questioned? was he throwing things at reporters, throwing chairs, ripping up papers? I didn’t see the news conference.
he has been a neurosurgeon for many many years and I am sure has been in many stressful situations. he just hasn’t got accustomed to the unjust treatment by the media. look at how ted cruz responded to an MSNBC moderator at the last debate. the media gives a pass to Clinton and Sanders. they only want to go after Trump, Carson, Rubio, etc.

 

[7_Sorrows]

How about his behavior over the past forty some years as not only an adult but as a brain surgeon?This requires not only mental and physical stamina ,but patience as well.He no doubt has had to stand for hours,doing intricate brain surgery requiring a mental discipline that would bode well for any president. What he might have done as a hormonal teenager,really should have no bearing on what he is now or could be as a world leader:shrug:

thank you!!

 

[7_Sorrows]

So I can assume that you do not believe people who have committed a crime as a teenager should have to pay for it for the rest of their life. A teenager that gets arrested for having pot or drinking or having sex or committing a crime, including murder, should not be judged as an adult for these actions?

Sorry, but while I do believe that people can change, I am not sure I want to trust them with the ‘football’.

well your democrat president has just declared he was going to ban the box allowing convicted felons not to be identified on job applications. Dr. Ben Carson has never been convicted of a crime much less being a felon so I don’t know what you are talking about.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Apparently, Jesus wasn’t able to “stay cool” when faced with money changers in his Father’s house, so what conclusions are you drawing from that? No “Son of God” status for him, then?

I don’t know about you, but I’ve never tried brain surgery. I am pretty sure I would lose my “cool” faced with lives hanging in the balance.

Furthermore, you really have no idea what kind of pressures are on these candidates especially when such cheap shots are being used to unjustly derail the chances of candidates BEFORE they have had the full opportunity to prove their mettle.

The press (particularly Politico) is being unfair, unjust and cheap AND so are we if we don’t give each candidate a fair shot at being elected. That is why all of us ought to be vigilant regarding what is fair and what is not.

AND I ain’t even American, so I have no skin in the game, whatsoever. This is from the point of view of neutral observer.

good post!

 

[sallybutler]

how was he not able to stay cool under the pressure of being questioned? was he throwing things at reporters, throwing chairs, ripping up papers? I didn’t see the news conference.
he has been a neurosurgeon for many many years and I am sure has been in many stressful situations. he just hasn’t got accustomed to the unjust treatment by the media. look at how ted cruz responded to an MSNBC moderator at the last debate. the media gives a pass to Clinton and Sanders. they only want to go after Trump, Carson, Rubio, etc.

#1. It was CNBC, not MSNBC for the debate.
#2.he got upset at a news conference.
#3.he railed at CNN
#4.the news media hasn’t been nice to Sanders or Clinton.
#5.As soon as one becomes the front runner (either party), the more scrutiny one gets. Why talk about #10 when you can talk about #1?

 

[7_Sorrows]

#1. It was CNBC, not MSNBC for the debate.
#2.he got upset at a news conference.
#3.he railed at CNN
#4.the news media hasn’t been nice to Sanders or Clinton.
#5.As soon as one becomes the front runner (either party), the more scrutiny one gets. Why talk about #10 when you can talk about #1?

correction: CNBC. He probably was justified at railing at CNN.

 

[zab]

#1. It was CNBC, not MSNBC for the debate.
#2.he got upset at a news conference.
#3.he railed at CNN
#4.the news media hasn’t been nice to Sanders or Clinton.
#5.As soon as one becomes the front runner (either party), the more scrutiny one gets. Why talk about #10 when you can talk about #1?

youtube.com/watch?v=YrnWlXIVax0
LOL Is this what you call railing at CNN? I think he held up very well.

 

[St_Francis]

Of course he is admirable. And he has been responsible for the life or death of one person at a time. **However, he was not able to stay cool under the pressure of being questioned by reporters. **What will happen when he has to deal with a North Korean or Chinese head of state making threats?

This seems to be the relevant video. It is about 12 minutes long, and the parts which seem to me to be what the pressis referring to start at about 1 minute in and 8 minutes in. Please tell us where he loses his cool with the reporters, or as the press reported, blows up. Because I do not see that happening here.

Perhaps I have the wrong video? If so, please link the correct video and let us know about what time the explosion occurs.

It is indeed a shame when we have to fact-check the jouralists, isn’t it?

 

[7_Sorrows]

youtube.com/watch?v=YrnWlXIVax0
LOL Is this what you call railing at CNN? I think he held up very well.

I think he handled himself very well! those journalists were ridiculous! I am so happy he is calling them out! Enough nonsense!

 

[meltzerboy]

This seems to be the relevant video. It is about 12 minutes long, and the parts which seem to me to be what the pressis referring to start at about 1 minute in and 8 minutes in. Please tell us where he loses his cool with the reporters, or as the press reported, blows up. Because I do not see that happening here.

Perhaps I have the wrong video? If so, please link the correct video and let us know about what time the explosion occurs.

It is indeed a shame when we have to fact-check the jouralists, isn’t it?

I also watched the video and must agree with you that Ben Carson does NOT lose his cool toward the reporters. At best, perhaps what is meant is that FOR HIM he appears slightly more agitated than usual since he is normally so calm. Nonetheless, I do not believe the video reveals what it is purported to.

 

[St_Francis]

So I can assume that you do not believe people who have committed a crime as a teenager should have to pay for it for the rest of their life. A teenager that gets arrested for having pot or drinking or having sex or committing a crime, including murder, should not be judged as an adult for these actions?

Actually, we generally don’t require that teenagers pay for crimes for the restnof their lives, which is why we have juvenile records sealed at 18. Not even the police are allowed to look at them.

Some teens who commit heinous crimes are charged as adults, and the reason for this is that juveniles are released at 18, and for someone who commits a murder age 17 to receive only one year of incarceration seems inordinate.

Sorry, but while I do believe that people can change, I am not sure I want to trust them with the ‘football’.

Dr Carson described himself as a kid who was getting iut of control. Fortunately, he scared himself by his actions, and called for help.

To Whom did he go? God. Are you saying God does not have the power to turn someone around? Since Dr Carson went from that time to this (afaict, 50 years, or at least over 45 years) down a completely different path, I would say God did hear his plea and answered him, and he cooperate fully with God’s grace.

For me, this is part of what makes him an admirable man.

And you know what? I think it is perfectly all right to say that he is an admirable man and not want him to be president. I would love to have him and his wife to dinner with my family, I think it would be a fabulous evening. But ai am not sure that his background makes him the most suitable person for president. Merely having the correct opinion (according to me ) does not make a person a good president.

But you know what else? Not wanting him as president does not require that I tear a decent and honorable man apart, either.

 

[Path_Finder]

Jack Lalanne, the health guru, exercise pioneer, as a youth, attacked his brother with an axe. He prayed and blamed his erratic behavior on sugar consumption, this all got him on his way to be a sort of health freak of which he did well, passing away at 96 years old.

There are certainly some stances of candidates I can not fathom one being able to vote for, life issues, among the most important. Again, it would be interesting to see if we have sorts of double-standards at work, voting for a politician that believes in such and such a thing while being critical of Doctor Ben whom, without knowing his history and career well, has probably done a lot to save lives.

Oh, and a teenager who is “arrested” for smoking pot? What if one admitted that they used pot in their youth?

Perhaps some candidates are treated obstinately.

 

[Peter_Plato]

This seems to be the relevant video. It is about 12 minutes long, and the parts which seem to me to be what the pressis referring to start at about 1 minute in and 8 minutes in. Please tell us where he loses his cool with the reporters, or as the press reported, blows up. Because I do not see that happening here.

Perhaps I have the wrong video? If so, please link the correct video and let us know about what time the explosion occurs.

Well, he did wave his hands in a menacin… well…exasper… ah, no… perturb… err… animated way there at 7:22. He also raised his eyebrows a couple of times at about the same moment.

It did unhinge me just a little, but I am a bit of a milquetoast, if I’m being honest.

 

[Good_Tidings]

It seems that many of those posting on this thread have a favorable opinion of Dr. Carson. I hope he makes the cut and will be the Republican candidate. I’m not sure, however, how these numerous goofy statements are going to play in a general election.

 

[7_Sorrows]

It seems that many of those posting on this thread have a favorable opinion of Dr. Carson. I hope he makes the cut and will be the Republican candidate. I’m not sure, however, how these numerous goofy statements are going to play in a general election.

what goofy statements are you referring to Good Tidings?

 

[7_Sorrows]

Well, he did wave his hands in a menacin… well…exasper… ah, no… perturb… err… animated way there at 7:22. He also raised his eyebrows a couple of times at about the same moment.

It did unhinge me just a little, but I am a bit of a milquetoast, if I’m being honest.

raising the eyebrows along with waving of hands at the 7:22 mark was a little nervewracking. ()

 

[Good_Tidings]

what goofy statements are you referring to Good Tidings?

I guess we can start here;

1. Gayness must be a choice, because prisoners who are raped come out gay.
2. 1. Obamacare is worse than slavery. We live in a Gestapo age.
3. 1. The Big Bang is a “fairy tale” and the notion of evolution was encouraged by the devil.
4. 1. There’s no war on women; there may be a war on women’s insides.
5. 1. Nope, I don’t see any global warming.
6. 1. Nope, I don’t see any racism.
7. 1. Planned Parenthood is a plot to kill black babies.

Further explanation here
salon.com/2015/09/30/the_7_most_impressively_stupid_things_ben_carson_has_said_partner/

And here:
thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/05/04/3646780/ben-carson-announcement/
Anarchy could cancel the 2016 election
There’s no such thing as a war crime
Obama is depressing the economy to keep people on welfare
Obama signed immigration reform to bring in government-dependent voters

And here:
politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-carson-controversial-quotes-214614

1. On his history of violence
2. 1. On Joseph and the pyramids
3. 1. On Cuban immigration policies
4. 1. On bathrooms for transgender people
5. 1. On the Declaration of Independence
6. 1. On Americans who are ‘stupid’
7. 1. On Nazi Germany and guns
8. 1. On how he would handle an active-shooter situation

Read more: politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-carson-controversial-quotes-214614#ixzz3qsHCl9k5

 

[meltzerboy]

I guess we can start here;

1. Gayness must be a choice, because prisoners who are raped come out gay.
2. 1. Obamacare is worse than slavery. We live in a Gestapo age.
3. 1. The Big Bang is a “fairy tale” and the notion of evolution was encouraged by the devil.
4. 1. There’s no war on women; there may be a war on women’s insides.
5. 1. Nope, I don’t see any global warming.
6. 1. Nope, I don’t see any racism.
7. 1. Planned Parenthood is a plot to kill black babies.

Further explanation here
salon.com/2015/09/30/the_7_most_impressively_stupid_things_ben_carson_has_said_partner/

And here:
thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/05/04/3646780/ben-carson-announcement/
Anarchy could cancel the 2016 election
There’s no such thing as a war crime
Obama is depressing the economy to keep people on welfare
Obama signed immigration reform to bring in government-dependent voters

And here:
politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-carson-controversial-quotes-214614

1. On his history of violence
2. 1. On Joseph and the pyramids
3. 1. On Cuban immigration policies
4. 1. On bathrooms for transgender people
5. 1. On the Declaration of Independence
6. 1. On Americans who are ‘stupid’
7. 1. On Nazi Germany and guns
8. 1. On how he would handle an active-shooter situation

Read more: politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-carson-controversial-quotes-214614#ixzz3qsHCl9k5

Either at least SOME of these statements are accurate or this is the greatest media conspiracy by journalists inflicted on a presidential candidate in the history of the U.S. All in all, a most impressive list for a candidate who does NOT wish to be President.

I notice you hope Carson will be the Republican nominee. I take it the reason is that you believe he would be a weak candidate and therefore easily defeated? Perhaps so. Still, wouldn’t it be better for the country to have two strong candidates from either party running against one another? Now if we could only find two such people who are interested in the presidency.