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Techno2000
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Can you infallibly say this?
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Servant19
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Doesnāt look like any change happened like a twinkling of an eye Techno.
He was a physical body and then he died, then he was a physical body again.
The medical team at my local hospital perform that miracle every day
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Techno2000
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Who was a physical body ?Doesnāt look like any change happened like a twinkling of an eye Techno.
He was a physical body and then he died, then he was a physical body again.
The medical team at my local hospital perform that miracle every day
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Servant19
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Jesusā¦
You are saying that He had a physical body, crucified, then resurrected again as a physical body.
St.Paul CLEARLY, in good English, says otherwise.
(This is getting silly)
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Techno2000
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He resurrected in a supernatural glorified physical body that is beyond your understanding.Jesusā¦
You are saying that He had a physical body, crucified, then resurrected again as a physical body.
St.Paul CLEARLY, in good English, says otherwise.
(This is getting silly)
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Servant19
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I think I can see whatās happening here. You are trying to deceive me possiblyā¦away from the Bible.
Can you show me one reference in the Bible that says āglorified physical bodyā please?
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Techno2000
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Lol, you worried about whatās in the Bible when you follow Bahaism
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Servant19
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Bahaāi Writingsā¦Bibleā¦no difference.Lol, you worried about whatās in the Bible when you follow Bahaism
I wonāt let people deceive me away from the clear Truth written in English.
Thank you
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Techno2000
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Bahaāi Writingsā¦Quranā¦no differenceā¦ right ?
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Servant19
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Iām genuinely concerned you are trying to deceive me Techno.
Can you answer this question please?
Can you answer this question please?
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627 Christās death was a real death in that it put an end to his earthly human existence. But because of the union which the person of the Son retained with his body, his was not a mortal corpse like others, for "it was not possible for death to hold him"and therefore ādivine power preserved Christās body from corruption.ā Both of these statements can be said of Christ: āHe was cut off out of the land of the livingā, and "My flesh will dwell in hope. For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, nor let your Holy One see corruption. Jesusā Resurrection āon the third dayā was the sign of this, also because bodily decay was held to begin on the fourth day after death.Jesusā¦
You are saying that He had a physical body, crucified, then resurrected again as a physical body.
St.Paul CLEARLY, in good English, says otherwise.
(This is getting silly)
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635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that āthe dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.ā Jesus, āthe Author of lifeā, by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."Henceforth the risen Christ holds āthe keys of Death and Hadesā, so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth.
640 āWhy do you seek the living among the dead? He is not here, but has risen.ā The first element we encounter in the framework of the Easter events is the empty tomb. In itself it is not a direct proof of Resurrection; the absence of Christās body from the tomb could be explained otherwise.Nonetheless the empty tomb was still an essential sign for all. Its discovery by the disciples was the first step toward recognizing the very fact of the Resurrection. This was the case, first with the holy women, and then with Peter.The disciple āwhom Jesus lovedā affirmed that when he entered the empty tomb and discovered āthe linen cloths lying thereā, āhe saw and believedā. This suggests that he realized from the empty tombās condition that the absence of Jesusā body could not have been of human doing and that Jesus had not simply returned to earthly life as had been the case with Lazarus.
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Techno2000
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Lol, Iām trying to deceive you by saying Jesus rose from the dead in a Glorified body ?
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Servant19
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No youāre trying to deceive me by say that a glorified body is a physical body.Lol, Iām trying to deceive you by saying Jesus rose from the dead in a Glorified body ?
Of course Iām doubting Thomas, you havenāt shown me one reason to believe youāre intentions are sincere with me and fellow Bahaāisā¦
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Techno2000
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What do you think my intentions are Servant19 ?
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Techno2000
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Now that was a sincere answerIām not sure, but I feel itās not sincere
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IgnatianPhilo
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Again, your working with a docetic framework in which you will not allow the body to become something more than it is at the moment. You believe the physical world is something ultimately to be transcended and be rid of at a certain point for all people.
The part of Paul that you choose to ignore is the verse immediately proceeding, it was sown in dishonour, sown in weakness and raised in glory. Was the spirit sown in dishonour or the body? Is it possible within Bahai thought for the spirit to be sown weak and in dishonour? you believe in universal salvation (against the words of Christ) so this would go against your own view that anything or one faces dishonour or weakness.
You also have not looked into the wider argument that has been put forward concerning the resurrection Paul speaks about is something which has not yet happened and he gives no indication that it has happened individually for people throughout his writings.
A spiritual body is not a natural body in that a natural body in that we have it now is extremely limited, prone to sin, prone extreme limitations and separation from God. A spiritual body is however a natural body raised and brought into full communion with Godās energies and we see that in the resurrection in appearances of Christ.
Also servant, having read the comments I can see the games you are playing. You arenāt actually dealing with what we are saying and arguing for instead you simply insist and repeat the same point that spiritual cannot mean physical and then make the pathetic argument that doctors perform resurrections every day. You know our theology, you know what we mean by resurrection. Deal with the beliefs as they are believed, a resurrection body is different from a normal body today.
Arthra also mentioned that Bahai simply interpret the Gospel of Luke not to mean what it says it means, namely that Jesus ate fish and demonstrated he is not a spirit. I do not know what the point of Saint Luke telling us this story would have been or what dualist interpretation we can add to this that completely answers the context of the entire chapter in question. Iāve raised this with bahai before, the gospel seems to be a historical account when they want it to be, otherwise it is a metaphorical account and that seems like a method of interpreting the bible which is simply convenience seeking. Whatever you like is real and whatever you donāt approve of being real is a metaphor.
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Do the Bahaāi ( or you ) believe in the resurrection of Jesus?Jesusā¦
You are saying that He had a physical body, crucified, then resurrected again as a physical body.
St.Paul CLEARLY, in good English, says otherwise.
(This is getting silly)
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TonyBS
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A sea full of Pearls to explore and the same reteric is produced time and again.
How about exploring the Universe with this provisional translation, it is truly amazing.
bahai-library.com/abdulbaha_lawh_aflakiyyih
This is true exploration.
The rest is Negation.
Regards Tony
How about exploring the Universe with this provisional translation, it is truly amazing.
bahai-library.com/abdulbaha_lawh_aflakiyyih
This is true exploration.
The rest is Negation.
Regards Tony
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