Explosive Revelations about Homosexual Teachers in Canadian Catholic Schools

[Cari]

did anyone force you to enrol your child in a school with LGB teachers? duh!

Ummm…Maphie, if you’re talking about Catholic schools, then a parent should be assured that the staff aren’t going to expose his children to elements counter to Catholic teaching. It’s not about being “forced”, it’s about what the nature of a Catholic school should be.

Again, this particular thread isn’t about homosexuals teaching in American Catholic schools, but in Canadian ones, where homosexual “marriage” is legal. The question is, in this particular set of circumstances, should homosexuals be allowed to teach in Catholic schools at all? And the question about who’s running the Catholic schools doesn’t really get to the heart of the matter. Everyone here could tell a million stories about priests, nuns, deacons, RCIA instructors, etc. who are not faithful to Church teaching. Just because Principal Father X doesn’t have a problem hiring a homosexual teacher at his Catholic school doesn’t mean that this is ok. If a Canadian homosexual, who has “marriage” rights protected under Canadian law, has access to children in a Catholic school, how is this not a conflict of interests?

Now, if you’re talking about public schools, then yes, a parent is forced to enroll his children in a particular school (it’s called districting), regardless of the sexual orientation of the teachers. Even in districts where they have school of choice (if you don’t like elementary school A, you can go to elementary school B in the same district, provided certain conditions are met), you still don’t have the ability to pick the teachers at ANY school. So to answer your question, yes, a parent who publically schools is forced to enroll his child in a school where there may be homosexual teachers, who may promote their agenda. Even if there aren’t homosexual teachers at that school, many districts now have manditory “diversity tolerance training” curricula that includes promotion of homosexual lifestyles.

But, that’s beyond the scope of this particular thread. Maybe you’d like to search for a thread already underway about whether or not homosexuals should be allowed to teach in American schools. If there’s not one, start one. But this thread, I think, was really started to comment on the situation in Canada.

C

 

[Joe_Stong]

First of all, having same sex attraction is in fact a minority position. So it’s not some arbitrary Catholic thing to claim active homosexuals are “a minority”. They actually ARE a minority.

Now is this attraction healthy or not?

Well there’s two ways to go about this; we can look at it phenomenologically (indirectly) from their own experiences, beliefs, reactions, and issues…and/or we can look at it from a straight up (no pun intended) analysis of their individual and collective emotional, psychological, physiological, and physical lives.

Certain genetic or cultural traits that are “abnormal” or ‘minority status’ do not carry many or any negative consequences - such as left-handedness or color-blindness. They may be inconvenient in a majority right-handedness and colorful world, but that’s about it.

Other genetic and cultural traits that are abnormal DO definately cause objective harm to the individual - such as genetic predisposition towards depression, bi-polar, or anorexia disorders.

But just because you are born with an abnormal trait doesn’t mean “God made you this way so its’ all good” otherwise we’d be celebrating Alcoholic Pride Day and be encouraging alcoholic people to be perpetually plastered since after all, “they were born that way”.

Now same sex attraction does involve emotional and psychological negative repercussions - a tendency towards narcism is only one sign that it’s not healthy. It’s not “evil” Catholic heterosexuals who force active homosexuals to engage in highly risky sexual activities and engage with multiple anonymous partners. The attraction itself seems to lead them towards those activities which are objectively harmful to them.

If SSA was a harmless and “perfectly natural” abnormality, then the dynamics of human evolution would endow those with this abnormality with hightened immune systems to deal with the real and immediate health problems. But that’s not what we see. Apart from the attraction, they’re just as if not more susceptible to immunological contagion as the “normal” population.

If their grief was wholly caused by “society” and not by something intrinsic to the attraction itself, then one would expect them to have less suicidal ideations, emotional problems, interpersonal problems and narcisitic/self-destructive urges in places and countries where the “society” totally encourages them and YET we see in place after place no lessening of their symptoms DESPITE near wholly secular acceptance and praise of their “lifestyle”. If one is living a perfectly healthy “lifestyle” then it would take more than an wildly unpopular and relatively powerless church to produce depression etc. in your life.

Finally, there is a disconnect in the arguments pro-homosexual: they routinely confuse friendship with sexual relationship, as though those of us who think their sexual relationships are harmful wish them to be lonely and friendless rather than get help and stay within the family and circle of friends who are here to help.

When a person fails to distinguish between sex and love or sexual relationships and friendship that person is either ignorant or suffers from some mental inability to appreciate the difference.

By dis-order we DON’T MEAN they’re incapable of goodness or totally imcompetent or totally evil and depraved.

Many minorities suffer from disorders. Alcoholics and those with depression suffer from disorders and diseases which don’t rob them of true love, true friends, and true human talents and excellence. But even though many alcoholics have done great work for society, this great work doesn’t make their addiction any less a threat to themselves and others!

And just because a person suffers from chronic depresion doesn’t mean they can’t love, serve, and care for others and be otherwise wonderful loving people. Of course they can! Their disorder only affects one element of their human lives. It doesn’t totally absorb their very personalities - as Homosexuality seems to do with those people with SSA.

This is why the Church continues to preach love and charity towards homosexuals while stubbornly also preaching that same sex attraction (and definately same-sex sexual activity) is disordered and harmful (thus sinful).

a mental disorder - as can be proven phenomenologically (indirectly) and

 

[goofyjim]

First of all, having same sex attraction is in fact a minority position. So it’s not some arbitrary Catholic thing to claim active homosexuals are “a minority”. They actually ARE a minority.

Now is this attraction healthy or not?

Well there’s two ways to go about this; we can look at it phenomenologically (indirectly) from their own experiences, beliefs, reactions, and issues…and/or we can look at it from a straight up (no pun intended) analysis of their individual and collective emotional, psychological, physiological, and physical lives.

Certain genetic or cultural traits that are “abnormal” or ‘minority status’ do not carry many or any negative consequences - such as left-handedness or color-blindness. They may be inconvenient in a majority right-handedness and colorful world, but that’s about it.

Other genetic and cultural traits that are abnormal DO definately cause objective harm to the individual - such as genetic predisposition towards depression, bi-polar, or anorexia disorders.

But just because you are born with an abnormal trait doesn’t mean “God made you this way so its’ all good” otherwise we’d be celebrating Alcoholic Pride Day and be encouraging alcoholic people to be perpetually plastered since after all, “they were born that way”.

Now same sex attraction does involve emotional and psychological negative repercussions - a tendency towards narcism is only one sign that it’s not healthy. It’s not “evil” Catholic heterosexuals who force active homosexuals to engage in highly risky sexual activities and engage with multiple anonymous partners. The attraction itself seems to lead them towards those activities which are objectively harmful to them.

If SSA was a harmless and “perfectly natural” abnormality, then the dynamics of human evolution would endow those with this abnormality with hightened immune systems to deal with the real and immediate health problems. But that’s not what we see. Apart from the attraction, they’re just as if not more susceptible to immunological contagion as the “normal” population.

If their grief was wholly caused by “society” and not by something intrinsic to the attraction itself, then one would expect them to have less suicidal ideations, emotional problems, interpersonal problems and narcisitic/self-destructive urges in places and countries where the “society” totally encourages them and YET we see in place after place no lessening of their symptoms DESPITE near wholly secular acceptance and praise of their “lifestyle”. If one is living a perfectly healthy “lifestyle” then it would take more than an wildly unpopular and relatively powerless church to produce depression etc. in your life.

Finally, there is a disconnect in the arguments pro-homosexual: they routinely confuse friendship with sexual relationship, as though those of us who think their sexual relationships are harmful wish them to be lonely and friendless rather than get help and stay within the family and circle of friends who are here to help.

When a person fails to distinguish between sex and love or sexual relationships and friendship that person is either ignorant or suffers from some mental inability to appreciate the difference.

By dis-order we DON’T MEAN they’re incapable of goodness or totally imcompetent or totally evil and depraved.

Many minorities suffer from disorders. Alcoholics and those with depression suffer from disorders and diseases which don’t rob them of true love, true friends, and true human talents and excellence. But even though many alcoholics have done great work for society, this great work doesn’t make their addiction any less a threat to themselves and others!

And just because a person suffers from chronic depresion doesn’t mean they can’t love, serve, and care for others and be otherwise wonderful loving people. Of course they can! Their disorder only affects one element of their human lives. It doesn’t totally absorb their very personalities - as Homosexuality seems to do with those people with SSA.

This is why the Church continues to preach love and charity towards homosexuals while stubbornly also preaching that same sex attraction (and definately same-sex sexual activity) is disordered and harmful (thus sinful).

a mental disorder - as can be proven phenomenologically (indirectly) and

Since when has same sex attraction become harmful? Pleeez.

 

[Holly3278]

As long as they are not outing themselves I see no reason why they cannot teach in other capacities such as English, Math or Science.

You have a point. I guess I’m just not comfortable with homosexuals teaching children.

 

[jdnation]

mapie:

so you think you’re special? aren’t these behaviors also done by heterosexuals? isn’t contraception practiced by heterosexuals who cannot control themselves, etc. etc…?
anyone can commit sins… it depends on the person… not sexual orientation…

No I don’t think I’m special. I said homosexuals AREN’T special. ANd then I pointed out that their behavior is as bad as contraception and masturbation, therefore any heterosexual who engages in those activities is as bad as a homosexual. I can’t see how you failed to grasp this…

who runs those schools? priests? nuns? phd teachers? are all of them in those schools you’re talking about LGBs and no one’s straight?
my teachers were gay (2 of them) but they didn’t teach us immorality… do we really have to accuse them? i saw worse things from some of the straight teachers i had… gossip, laziness, working without liking what they are doing, insulting and punishing a student in front of the class… one hetero teacher even married thrice…

No priests or nuns unfortunately… And since the discussion is specifically about homosexuality I’ve limited the topic to that. A homosexual who believes in his lifestyle being allowed to teach in a Catholic school runs the risk of him/her of telling impressionable students that homosexuality is perfectly moral. If they do this, then they are teaching immorality, as the homosexual teachers discussed in the original article were indeed doing. Those other bad things that heterosexuals might do are irrelevant as homosexuals also do those things (Though I don’t see how insulting and punishing an unruly student in front of class is bad but I don’t know the circumstances).

how could they be admitted if they’re not catholics? are you saying that catholic school administrators are wrong when they hire LGB teachers?

Any person who is LGB who does not live by Catholic morals or believe in them is not living by the Catholic faith and are hypocrites. If such LGB people were hired then that was wrong.

 

[st_julie]

In the Catholic Church sodomy is,was and always will be a sin. So will adultry and fornications of all kind. The gay agenda has won for itself legalization of formerly criminal acts. Next is to have them declared unsinfull. This is what Catholic schools must fight against. The Church will live through this as it has so many times before but there will be many casualties.
st julie

 

[goofyjim]

In the Catholic Church sodomy is,was and always will be a sin. So will adultry and fornications of all kind. The gay agenda has won for itself legalization of formerly criminal acts. Next is to have them declared unsinfull. This is what Catholic schools must fight against. The Church will live through this as it has so many times before but there will be many casualties.
st julie

Just because something is a sin does not mean it should be made criminal. Obviously any laws against adultery and fornication still on the books are not enforced too well so why should we keep them there. And if you take them away why should you keep the ones against sodomy. Mind you, I still agree on the sinfulness of the acts but we have better things to do than to put consenting adults into prison or have them tying up courtroom time on these things.

 

[st_julie]

Just because something is a sin does not mean it should be made criminal. Obviously any laws against adultery and fornication still on the books are not enforced too well so why should we keep them there. And if you take them away why should you keep the ones against sodomy. Mind you, I still agree on the sinfulness of the acts but we have better things to do than to put consenting adults into prison or have them tying up courtroom time on these things.

I agree. The mention of the decriminalization of sodomy was just a stated fact and nothing else. The focus as I said is to have it declared unsinful. The Church can never do this. English schools are forbidden from teaching this fact and we are not far behind. st julie

 

[willy]

To tell you the truth, it’s not surprising. Sad, but not surprising. The Catholic education and morality in Canada is much worse off than it is here. And it’s pretty bad over here.

I can vouch on that one, seeing as how im in a catholic high school. grade 12. They’re usually only Catholic by name.

 

[Lil_M]

Canada seems in worse shape than the U.S., if that’s possible.

When it comes to Catholic education- yep This comes as no great shock to me. I would put my kids in public school before a Catholic school here. I’ve been in both and my public school history teacher knew more about Catholicism than my religion teachers, and he wasn’t Catholic