Extreme Caution to self-learners in Catholic faith (Scott Hahn, Frank Sheed)

[Edwin1961]

Doesn’t the Magisterium guard against error that is being taught?
We can’t have the blind leading the blind?

Shouldn’t the Bishops get involved since they are supposed to be like the apostles were whent he Church started? (Oh yeah, I forgot , they at times can’t agree on today’s topics concering the Church)?

And we know that not all priests give homilies on the same teachings of the Church (some preach on Abortion, Sin, Hell, and some don’t).

Basically, I pray that the Holy Spirit IS involved !

Don’t get me wrong, I like Scott Hahn, Tim Staples and Patrick Madrid.

Go with God!
Edwin

 

[Redeemerslove]

Edwin1961:

Doesn’t the Magisterium guard against error that is being taught?

We can’t have the blind leading the blind?

The Magisterium is not given the power to be super-Grammarians. While it protects what they say from being error, it doesn’t mean they will say it the best possible way so that everyone can understand it the same way. Some effort is required to understand properly, on the part of the reader, as well.

Shouldn’t the Bishops get involved since they are supposed to be like the apostles were whent he Church started? (Oh yeah, I forgot , they at times can’t agree on today’s topics concering the Church)?

And we know that not all priests give homilies on the same teachings of the Church (some preach on Abortion, Sin, Hell, and some don’t).
Some don’t preach about Sin and Hell? I haven’t heard one priest not preach about these two topics. But I have heard very few preach about Abortion, or mention it only occassionally and weakly.

 

[Prometheum_x]

Redeemerslove:

The Magisterium is not given the power to be super-Grammarians. While it protects what they say from being error, it doesn’t mean they will say it the best possible way so that everyone can understand it the same way. Some effort is required to understand properly, on the part of the reader, as well.

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Hey Redeemerslove!

Thanks for inviting me to the board.

I fully agree with the above (and have said as much elsewhere on the forum). I’m glad to see someone much more knowledgeable than me state that. . .

 

[Redeemerslove]

Redeemerslove:

The Magisterium is not given the power to be super-Grammarians. While it protects what they say from being error, it doesn’t mean they will say it the best possible way so that everyone can understand it the same way. Some effort is required to understand properly, on the part of the reader, as well.

Shouldn’t the Bishops get involved since they are supposed to be like the apostles were whent he Church started? (Oh yeah, I forgot , they at times can’t agree on today’s topics concering the Church)?

And we know that not all priests give homilies on the same teachings of the Church (some preach on Abortion, Sin, Hell, and some don’t).

Some don’t preach about Sin and Hell? I haven’t heard one priest not preach about these two topics. But I have heard very few preach about Abortion, or mention it only occassionally and weakly.

 

[Redeemerslove]

Prometheum_x:

Hey Redeemerslove!

Thanks for inviting me to the board.

I fully agree with the above (and have said as much elsewhere on the forum). I’m glad to see someone much more knowledgeable than me state that. . .

You’re welcome Prom, and welcome.

Well, I do my best.

 

[dominicsavio]

Cat,

peace be with you! you mentioned something i wondered about for a while too…as to why people like Hahn don’t talk more to Protestants. i once heard a talk by Scott Hahn where he explained this actually. there were people in his church that were so angry over his conversion that they would not listen to him. he was basically put outside the realm of people they could respectfully listen to. he said that he wished that he could speak to them, but it just wasn’t possible. so he preaches to Catholics through his books and tapes which is great because the average Catholic doesn’t seem to know much about the faith and he is doing great work in educating them.

 

[Thomas2]

Well,

If you ask me this thread has gotten tedious. Here’s my reasoning: The author of this thread has a problem with some of the newbies to the world of academia and apology. He has acted on this problem by covertly insinuating that certain authors are in error and this error is so horrible (egregious) as to threaten the sound faith of anyone who reads their works. Since both of the “revealed” authors, Sheed and Hahn, to my experience understand far more than I do about these matters, I’m still very confident placing my trust in their works and in them.

The author of this thread is rather full of the hope that the only sound teaching comes from the world of academia and since my own experience has proven that this is not only untrue, but in these times, less reliable than either author in question, the opinion of the author of this thread is just that - an opinion. I thank him for his opinion.

You shall know them by their fruits!

Both Sheed and Hahn have helped countless people find their way to the font. The author of this thread - who knows? Both Sheed and Hahn are rather transparent, the author of this thread keeps things veiled; both Sheed and Hahn have accepted their share of criticism through the years and come out the other side on their feet, the author of this thread, well, let’s just say …both Sheed and Hahn have evangelised millions and have strengthened many, many folks and God willing will continue to do so for many years to come, the author of this thread on the other hand, desires to only discredit, sow doubts, fears and speculations that may prevent others from growing in the faith. Hmmmmmmm…

You shall know them by their fruits…

Anyone for fruit salad?

Peace and all good,

Thomas2

 

[Prometheum_x]

Scott Hahn may not speak directly to protestant groups, but he certainly can effectively speak indirectly to individual protestants. While he is not the best writer (as far as writing is concerned), I think that he is quite effective at taking the Catholic message and presenting it in such a way that the protestant mind can grasp it.

At least presents it in such a way that this mind was able to grasp it.

However, I found that the writings of G. K. Chesterton impacted me much more.

 

[Mfaustina1]

I know a secret and I’m not gonna tell!..

Does this sound familiar to anyone? I could not believe this thread! G. Frege, please don’t take offense at this, but your post reminds me of games a child would play upon finding something out on the “savory” side.

As for “self-learned” in Catholic teaching, I would either still be Protestant or agnostic by now if I had not taken the time to investigate the teachings of the Catholic Church and taken the time to study the claims this Church makes for itself versus the claims any other “church” makes in order to come to a reasoned conclusion that this Church is indeed that which Christ established. But I would never claim that I am an authority on her teachings. However, I COULD share what I have learned with others and not lose one bit of sleep over it. When in doubt, I check the Bible and the Catechism (especially the latter) when I need to better understand what the Church teaches on a given subject. I have never heard of the people you propose to be great theological “genuises”. I’m also not ashamed to say that I have trouble understanding Aquinas and other “high-thinkers” sometimes. Does this make you a better Catholic than I? Of course not! So, your whole post would have made alot more sense AND conveyed more Christian charity if you had just been out and open with what you wanted to say rather than require us to post privately to you. Who are you? What is your background? Are you a theologian? I have no more reason to trust you than I do the man on the moon so to speak. So, may the peace of Christ be with you and please lighten up some! - Mfaustina1

 

[jaralenio]

GFrege, the hornets nest you have hit is still buzzing. Throw us a bone!