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Servant19
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Christ is greatest!!
I am saying that it is unbiblical to insist that there will be no other true prophets after Christ.
The Alpha and the Omega is beyond surpassing! It is the greatest!
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I am saying that it is unbiblical to insist that there will be no other true prophets after Christ.
The Alpha and the Omega is beyond surpassing! It is the greatest!
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Well I would cite Hebrews:Please provide the source for this vse
Long ago God spoke to our ancestors in many and various ways
by the prophets but in these last days he has spoken to us by a
Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also
created the worlds.
– (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Something about prophets too, they don’t contradict.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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God defined it through Scripture.
Which Christ are we talking about?Who defines what is True Love for Christ, then in another way, what is Real Love for ChristWould not Works and Actions attest to ones Belief?
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Servant19
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This passage says to you that “no true prophet will teach outside of Christs church”??
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PRmerger
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Since the Catholic faith was whole and entire before a single word of the NT was ever put to writ, our "thoughts’ come from Christ and His Apostles, and are not “founded on Scripture”.
Rather, Scripture reflects our thoughts.
Catholics use faith and reason to apprehend God.I can make many conclusions about many things, if I wanted to be logical
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Judas_Thaddeus
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NO NO NO . . . ONLY GOD IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST! There is only ONE!
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer
the Lord of hosts: I am the First, and I am the Last, and
besides me there is no God.
– (Isaiah 44:6)
And when I had seen him (JESUS), I fell at his feet
as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, say–
ing: Fear not. I am the First and the Last,
– (Revelation 1:17)
(Speaker is Jesus) I am Alpha and Omega, the First
and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
– (Revelation 22:13)
Love any one other than Jesus as though he were Jesus is so bad,We can Love them all as we Love Christ, that is, may our Soul be a sacrifice for that Love!
Right, one audience was given a message of two dualistic
gods, the other taught of millions and millions of gods, still
some demanded strict monotheism . . . I don’t know about
your god, but mine is consistent.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Didn’t quite work that way with Zarathustra, Krishna, nor even, believe it or not, Muhammad.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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So when Jesus says, using your logic, “Why then do you accuse me ofOf course context matters. But when Jesus says that none of His Words are from Him but from the Father, I believe Him. What other meaning or context is there?
It is clear that, at that moment, the human Jesus is telling us that the Divine Christ is in communion with the Father, and advising us that all His Revelation stems from the Father.
It’s a very simple and logical conclusion
blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?,” it is the Father speaking?
Context matters NOTHING in the Baha’i Faith.
GOD, YHWH, spoke of HIMSELF who was PIERCED, speaking in the first person,
then proceeds to tell of how others will mourn for HIM (third person singular), as for
an ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Jesus was pierced, hand, feet, and side, was the Bab?
I think not.
I believe we discussed the special use of language in the ascension, but not for the Return.Behold, he cometh with the clouds, and every eyeLastly, we have established that the “cloud” has a spiritual meaning. When Christ returns, He will not be literally riding on a cloud. In fact the “physical” attributes of His Return are all speculative at best…
That’s fine, he’s talking Bahai here, but there’s a heck of a lot of stuff in that book that has nothing related to the Bahai Faith.
Might I humbly remind you, again, this is not a Bahai book?
Actually the “bahai-library.com” link from the google search you posted contains the Persian from Natiqs book. It is at the bottom of the letter from the Universal House of Justice
Again, these physical marks etc on Jesus body on His return are based on speculation.
Do you have any other sources other than Zech 12? As I say, this chapter may just as easily be referring to the Bab
shall see him, and they also that pierced him. And
all the tribes of the earth shall bewail themselves
because of him. Even so. Amen.
– (Revelation 1:7)
We will be able to identify him also by the marks of his crucifixion.
(By the way, Revelation 1:7 I just brought up is connected to Zechariah 12, you keep missing).
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Yes, especially when you consider that it tells us that there will be no more prophets.
And again I raise the point that prophets do not contradict (Isaac vs Ishmael).
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Gabriel_of_12
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tonyfish58;11648092 said:
God Bless and I hope you can find those answers!
Regards Tony
Upon reading and viewing your tablet, it appears to have gnostic tendencies to me.
First of all the Spirit of Truth is sent from the Father in Jesus name. I found it troubling that Never once does your seer ever mention that one name that is above all names, that every knee in heaven, on earth and under the earth Will bow down before the name of Jesus.
Could You please confirm for me in who or what name does your tablet come in?
I did not understand why your tablet calls its priest’s out of the Church when the Church is the mystical body of Jesus Christ? Maybe your tablet is lacking this divine revelation of Jesus Christ. The Advocate comes to remind and reveal all Jesus said and did, and the Son sends Him from the Father with authority that is not His. The Son will give Him what to declare to us. Your tablet never reveals any of these biblical Truth which He comes in Truth.
Beware of the one who comes disguised as an angel of Light.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Jesus did warn of false prophets.
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Servant19
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Have these thoughts ever been written anywhere authoritatively?
If so, where can I read about the “thought” that there will be no other true prophets after Jesus?
Absolutely!!
But how do you know that the faith ad reason you use is Truth and not a vain imagining or idle fancy?
In other words, there is a lot of logic, faith and reason to believe in Rael, an extraterrestrial being who introduced the earth to his peoples and they colonised it from there on in. Soon he will return to take us all to the “homeland” where we will never die and live in happiness forever.
Why would you not have faith in Rael?
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Servant19
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YES!
The Sonship of Christ has nothing to do with the human Jesus. It is the Divine Jesus, and the Divine Jesus and the Father are One…
Context matters EVERYTHING in the Baha’i Faith, please refrain from make dramatic generalisations about another religion.
The Bab was pierced throughout His blessed body…have you read the history, brother?
God the Father is one with Jesus, and He is one with the Bab.
You pierce Jesus, you pierce the Father.
You pierce the Bab, you pierce the Father
The manner of His return is the same manner as His ascension…
**"This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” ** Acts 1:11
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PRmerger
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vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-verbum_en.html
I would read the document in its entirety, but esp look at Article 2.
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PRmerger
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The same way I know almost everything I do.
I use my faith and reason to determine that amoxicillin will cure strep throat, and am quite confident that it is not vain imagining or idle fancy.
I use my faith and reason to determine that the pilot will fly the 747 safely to my destination, and am quite confident that it is not vain imagining or idle fancy.
I use my faith and reason to determine that the apple I eat will give me nourishment and am quite confident that it is not vain imagining or idle fancy.
If you could provide some explication for the logic and reason behind belief in Rael, then I will examine it and respond.
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IgnatianPhilo
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Who said there aren’t prophets? There were prophets in the time of the New testament when the apostles were preaching, but a seventh century arab called Muhammad was not a prophet nor was a 19th century persian a prophet either. You have to argue from possibility. They both gave a gospel which has not been received and I trust the apostolic deposit which says Christ alone atones, both islam and bahai deny this. Don’t pretend in answer to this that you agree with me, I know you don’t, believing instead that your own prophet atones for your sins equally despite what JEsus and the New testament says.
I would also respond to something Tony said. He says his prophet is one with “Father,” what is this oneness, what does it mean? is it a meaningless statement which conveys a mystery of which no one can understand? Why should we believe such a statement? What does it mean to be one with the father? Can I be one with the father like they were? If not, why not and how not?
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Judas_Thaddeus
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“One” what?
And there is no difference between the human Jesus and
the Divine Jesus, they are one and the same person.
Well yes, I suppose I was a little hasty. Baha’i are ver-Context matters EVERYTHING in the Baha’i Faith, please refrain from make dramatic generalisations about another religion.
y good in context actually, as far as their own texts go,
but as for the Bible, oy vey.
No, you see, there is God, then there is Creation. One is not the same as the other.
The Father is God. Jesus is God. The Father and Jesus) are separate persons, but
they are nevertheless ONE GOD. You can’t bring the Bab in this category because
he is Creation. Creation is not God, God is not Creation.
It is still a remarkable sight nonetheless, and he was taken to Heaven in his 30s with
holes in his hands and feet and even side, that is how he was taken, that’s how he is
coming back. We will still be able to identify him and besides, Jesus is coming back
at the end of the world, not in the late 1800s.
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tonyfish58
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You asked where Jesus was mentioned, Jesus is mentioned in the Tablet quite often? This is how He is mentioned in Name and Stations in order of sequence;
Say, O followers of the Son! (This is footnoted to Jesus as is the Spirit) - Then it goes on to reference Jesus in many ways;
your Lord, the Omnipotent
His great glory
The Spirit
manifest dominion
the Exalted, the Mighty
Dayspring of divine bounty
Jesus (In Name)
the Spirit
power of Truth
Who is the Desire of all that are in the heavens and all that are on the earth
All-Glorious Lord
potency of His exalted, His mighty and gracious dominion
the Spirit
Open the doors of your hearts. He Who is the Spirit verily standeth before them
and the Son, in the holy vale, crieth out: ‘Here am I, here am I O Lord, my God!
You asked - “Could You please confirm for me in who or what name does your tablet come in”?
The introduction to this Tablet says “In the name of the Lord, the Lord of great glory”.
You Stated “The Advocate comes to remind and reveal all Jesus said and did, and the Son sends Him from the Father with authority that is not His. The Son will give Him what to declare to us. Your tablet never reveals any of these biblical Truth which He comes in Truth”.
This is one specific Tablet addressed to the Christians, there are 1000s more that answer all the questions you have asked.
God Bless & Regards Tony
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vsedriver
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vsedriver
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you are picking up pieces and bits of a puzzle when all the while the full picture is staring you in the face.
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