Fast of Ramadan and it's meaning

[JimmyDFG]

If Father and Son were same so Jesus would not say “me” and “him”. Son and Father are distinct.

To see Son mean seeing Father! That can be interpret in that way: All people always have doubts about faith. We will not be convinced(all our doubts will not end) unless we see God. That is valid for eveyone. Even Moses wanted from God to show Himself. And Jesus was sent by God. There were many evidences of that just think miracles which Jesus had performed. So if someone accept that Jesus was sent by God so he/she accept presence of God and that is pivotal point of faith. Otherwise there are many other verses which state clearly that Father is above all things include Son!

May I suggest reading about the Holy Trinity. This would make perfect sense

 

[JimmyDFG]

So do you not claim that Jesus and Father are one? But Jesus was just a human( at least all Christians accept % 100 human nature!)

Prophets were sent with authority of God. But that means nothing for unbelievers! There are always unbelievers so there is no compulsion in religion.

I do claim Jesus and God the Father are one.
Jesus refers to himself with the divine name—I am —in several places. This “I am” formula is a reference back to the Divine Name revealed to Moses in Ex. 3:14. Not only does Jesus refer to himself as “I am” four times in John’s Gospel (see John 8:24; 58; 13:19 and 18:5-6), but when he does so in John 8:58, the Jews to whom he was speaking understood his meaning because they immediately wanted to stone him for blasphemy!

Jesus is referred to as “equal” with God by both John and Paul. In John 5:18, the author comments on why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus: “Because he called God his Father, making himself equal with God.” Paul refers to Jesus when he was “in the form (Gk. morphe; in Greek usage this word means the set of characteristics that makes a thing what it is) of God” thinking “his equality with God” not something to be grasped onto, but emptying himself and becoming man (cf. Phil. 2:6-10). Paul assumes his readers already knew Jesus to be equal with God, the Father.

Jesus is referred to in the New Testament with the title Lord as it is uniquely applied to Yahweh in the Old Testament. Jesus calls himself “the Lord of the Sabbath” in Mark 2:28. The Sabbath is referred to as the “Sabbath of Yahweh” in the Old Testament (cf. Ex. 20:10; see also Is. 8:13, referred to in 1 Peter 3:15; and Joel 2:31-32, quoted both in Acts 2:20-21 and in Rom. 10:13).

The final proof of Jesus’ divinity we will consider can be found in the last two chapters of the book of Revelation. According to Revelation 21:6-7, Almighty God reveals himself to us in plain terms: “And he said to me, ‘It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the fountain of the water of life without payment. He who conquers shall have this heritage, and I will be his God and he shall be my son.’”

But then, in Revelation 22:6, 13, 16, we find Jesus revealing himself to be “the Alpha and the Omega . . . the beginning and the end”:

And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place . . . I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end . . . I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.”

 

[MartinJordan]

“I and the Father are one”

Jesus had come in name of Father(with authority of Father) so Jesus and Father are one. That means who would obey Jesus but obey God. Who do not obey Jesus so he/she disobey God.

“No one goes to the Father except by me”.

6- Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14

Yes prophets were the unique way to God. So nobody can go God except through them.

36 ¶But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matthew 24

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28

43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 5

29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; Luke 22

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. John 17

There are more verses which preach Father is above all.

Muslims pray in that way: our Rab(Lord), our Allah(God), our Hâlık(Creator) etc… And I think our Father means our God.

Indeed I do not know what you ask exactly!

Please show me God as Father in Islamic teaching.

For info:

It is therefore hardly surprising that in an age of such profound ignorance, a so-called Muslim leadership of an Islamic organization should publicly declare its intention to “join with the rest of society and particularly our brothers and sisters of the Christian faith in celebrating this joyous season … i.e., the great event of Christmas”. It is also hardly surprising that the declaration should go even further than that to make the absolutely false and dangerously misguided declaration that Islam possesses such a thing as a “central doctrine of the fatherhood of God”.

imranhosein.org/articles/understanding-islam/87-islam-rejects-the-false-doctrine-of-the-fatherhood-of-god.html

What does your imam say?

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

I do claim Jesus and God the Father are one.
Jesus refers to himself with the divine name—I am —in several places. This “I am” formula is a reference back to the Divine Name revealed to Moses in Ex. 3:14. Not only does Jesus refer to himself as “I am” four times in John’s Gospel (see John 8:24; 58; 13:19 and 18:5-6), but when he does so in John 8:58, the Jews to whom he was speaking understood his meaning because they immediately wanted to stone him for blasphemy!

Jesus is referred to as “equal” with God by both John and Paul. In John 5:18, the author comments on why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus: “Because he called God his Father, making himself equal with God.” Paul refers to Jesus when he was “in the form (Gk. morphe; in Greek usage this word means the set of characteristics that makes a thing what it is) of God” thinking “his equality with God” not something to be grasped onto, but emptying himself and becoming man (cf. Phil. 2:6-10). Paul assumes his readers already knew Jesus to be equal with God, the Father.

Jesus is referred to in the New Testament with the title Lord as it is uniquely applied to Yahweh in the Old Testament. Jesus calls himself “the Lord of the Sabbath” in Mark 2:28. The Sabbath is referred to as the “Sabbath of Yahweh” in the Old Testament (cf. Ex. 20:10; see also Is. 8:13, referred to in 1 Peter 3:15; and Joel 2:31-32, quoted both in Acts 2:20-21 and in Rom. 10:13).

The final proof of Jesus’ divinity we will consider can be found in the last two chapters of the book of Revelation. According to Revelation 21:6-7, Almighty God reveals himself to us in plain terms: “And he said to me, ‘It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the fountain of the water of life without payment. He who conquers shall have this heritage, and I will be his God and he shall be my son.’”

But then, in Revelation 22:6, 13, 16, we find Jesus revealing himself to be “the Alpha and the Omega . . . the beginning and the end”:

And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place . . . I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end . . . I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.”

Thank you Jimmy. This saved me a lot of time

MJ

 

[JimmyDFG]

Thank you Jimmy. This saved me a lot of time

MJ

You’re welcome Martin!!

 

[hasantas]

I do claim Jesus and God the Father are one.
Jesus refers to himself with the divine name—I am —in several places. This “I am” formula is a reference back to the Divine Name revealed to Moses in Ex. 3:14. Not only does Jesus refer to himself as “I am” four times in John’s Gospel (see John 8:24; 58; 13:19 and 18:5-6), but when he does so in John 8:58, the Jews to whom he was speaking understood his meaning because they immediately wanted to stone him for blasphemy!

Jesus is referred to as “equal” with God by both John and Paul. In John 5:18, the author comments on why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus: “Because he called God his Father, making himself equal with God.” Paul refers to Jesus when he was “in the form (Gk. morphe; in Greek usage this word means the set of characteristics that makes a thing what it is) of God” thinking “his equality with God” not something to be grasped onto, but emptying himself and becoming man (cf. Phil. 2:6-10). Paul assumes his readers already knew Jesus to be equal with God, the Father.

Jesus is referred to in the New Testament with the title Lord as it is uniquely applied to Yahweh in the Old Testament. Jesus calls himself “the Lord of the Sabbath” in Mark 2:28. The Sabbath is referred to as the “Sabbath of Yahweh” in the Old Testament (cf. Ex. 20:10; see also Is. 8:13, referred to in 1 Peter 3:15; and Joel 2:31-32, quoted both in Acts 2:20-21 and in Rom. 10:13).

The final proof of Jesus’ divinity we will consider can be found in the last two chapters of the book of Revelation. According to Revelation 21:6-7, Almighty God reveals himself to us in plain terms: “And he said to me, ‘It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the fountain of the water of life without payment. He who conquers shall have this heritage, and I will be his God and he shall be my son.’”

But then, in Revelation 22:6, 13, 16, we find Jesus revealing himself to be “the Alpha and the Omega . . . the beginning and the end”:

And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place . . . I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end . . . I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.”

We got out of topic. Anyhow when Jesus talked about Himself would He say “YOU ARE”?

Jesus never claimed divinity of Himself. I can explain all verses you quoted but that is not object of Thread.

We are both very hard about issue divinity of Jesus. I get my faith both from Qur’an and Bible and Both two scriptures say God is one and Jesus is messenger of God. Qur’an is very certain about that and Qur’an correct people about ascribing Jesus divinity. God will judge and say the truth.

 

[hasantas]

Please show me God as Father in Islamic teaching.

For info:

It is therefore hardly surprising that in an age of such profound ignorance, a so-called Muslim leadership of an Islamic organization should publicly declare its intention to “join with the rest of society and particularly our brothers and sisters of the Christian faith in celebrating this joyous season … i.e., the great event of Christmas”. It is also hardly surprising that the declaration should go even further than that to make the absolutely false and dangerously misguided declaration that Islam possesses such a thing as a “central doctrine of the fatherhood of God”.

imranhosein.org/articles/understanding-islam/87-islam-rejects-the-false-doctrine-of-the-fatherhood-of-god.html

What does your imam say?

Peace be with you.

MJ

Father is God and that is very clear. Perhaps we it can be explained in another Thread. The Link does not work or I couldn’t.

 

[JimmyDFG]

We got out of topic. Anyhow when Jesus talked about Himself would He say “YOU ARE”?

Jesus never claimed divinity of Himself. I can explain all verses you quoted but that is not object of Thread.

We are both very hard about issue divinity of Jesus. I get my faith both from Qur’an and Bible and Both two scriptures say God is one and Jesus is messenger of God. Qur’an is very certain about that and Qur’an correct people about ascribing Jesus divinity. God will judge and say the truth.

When Jesus says “You are” and in John10:30 “The Father and I are one” this is giving reference to the Holy Trinity.
In this matter it is always important to remember that there is only one God who is tri-personal Father, Son and Holy Spirit. By saying that Jesus is “one in Being with the Father”, the Church is asserting that Jesus is fully God, just as the Father is. Both share in the one divine nature or substance.

In Catholic theology, we understand the persons of the Blessed Trinity subsisting within the inner life of God to be truly distinct relationally, but not as a matter of essence, or nature. Each of the three persons in the godhead possesses the same eternal and infinite divine nature; thus, they are the one, true God in essence or nature, not “three Gods.” Yet, they are truly distinct in their relations to each other.

Jesus explained his Divinity many times in the Bible. I’ll give you just a couple examples

John 5:18
For this reason the Jews tried all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath but he also called God his own father, making himself equal to God.

John8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM,* you will die in your sins.

In John8:24 should be very clear on Jesus’ Divinity. You said in post #61 “Jesus had taken all authority from Father(God) and it is very clear in Bible.”
Do you believe?

 

[MartinJordan]

Father is God and that is very clear. Perhaps we it can be explained in another Thread. The Link does not work or I couldn’t.

Sorry you’re right the link doesn’t work. I’ll check on it.

Meanwhile does your Imam say Father is God?

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

When Jesus says “You are” and in John10:30 “The Father and I are one” this is giving reference to the Holy Trinity.
In this matter it is always important to remember that there is only one God who is tri-personal Father, Son and Holy Spirit. By saying that Jesus is “one in Being with the Father”, the Church is asserting that Jesus is fully God, just as the Father is. Both share in the one divine nature or substance.

In Catholic theology, we understand the persons of the Blessed Trinity subsisting within the inner life of God to be truly distinct relationally, but not as a matter of essence, or nature. Each of the three persons in the godhead possesses the same eternal and infinite divine nature; thus, they are the one, true God in essence or nature, not “three Gods.” Yet, they are truly distinct in their relations to each other.

Jesus explained his Divinity many times in the Bible. I’ll give you just a couple examples

John 5:18
For this reason the Jews tried all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath but he also called God his own father, making himself equal to God.

John8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM,* you will die in your sins.

In John8:24 should be very clear on Jesus’ Divinity. You said in post #61 “Jesus had taken all authority from Father(God) and it is very clear in Bible.”
Do you believe?

Nice.

Also Matthew 28:18-19 might me of help to Hasantas.

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Alleluia !

MJ

 

[hasantas]

When Jesus says “You are” and in John10:30 “The Father and I are one” this is giving reference to the Holy Trinity.
In this matter it is always important to remember that there is only one God who is tri-personal Father, Son and Holy Spirit. By saying that Jesus is “one in Being with the Father”, the Church is asserting that Jesus is fully God, just as the Father is. Both share in the one divine nature or substance.

In Catholic theology, we understand the persons of the Blessed Trinity subsisting within the inner life of God to be truly distinct relationally, but not as a matter of essence, or nature. Each of the three persons in the godhead possesses the same eternal and infinite divine nature; thus, they are the one, true God in essence or nature, not “three Gods.” Yet, they are truly distinct in their relations to each other.

Jesus explained his Divinity many times in the Bible. I’ll give you just a couple examples

John 5:18
For this reason the Jews tried all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath but he also called God his own father, making himself equal to God.

John8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM,* you will die in your sins.

In John8:24 should be very clear on Jesus’ Divinity. You said in post #61 “Jesus had taken all authority from Father(God) and it is very clear in Bible.”
Do you believe?

There is one God and that is the God who Jesus was used to call as Father. You say three persons who are both divine then you say God is one! Just say God is one and that is better for you. Jesus was % 100 human. So that humanity side of Jesus must be partner of divinity. Was humanity nature of Jesus another person? Then we should add another personality beside three persons! Very confused.

God is one. God is one. God is one. God is one. Not three. God is one. God is one. God is one… When will you understand that?

And when Jesus said “I AM” that Jesus mean I am the one who was sent by God. Do you not read Bible?

You quoted John 5:18. Why do you not look at John 5:27? Jesus did not say “I am equal to God” That was accusing of people. What did Jesus say about Himself? John 5:27: 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Yes Jesus was just a human.

Jesus always was used to talk about Father. Jesus implied and declared that very certain. Just the next verse:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5.

25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

-(Do you understand who Jesus talked about?) Father!

28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. John 8. Amin!

 

[Sy_Noe]

We’re only required (with many exceptions) to fast on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. We abstain from meat the Fridays of Lent. Catholic fasting doesn’t require going without food; we are allowed to eat one full meal and two small meals. And all beverages are allowed. That isn’t something I would call penitential at all. Unless Catholics have become so self-indulgent that we can’t go more than a couple of hours without eating a snack or meal.

I’m not even sure I’d call it fasting when eating a full meal, as well as two smaller meals that together are not equal to a full meal.

 

[JimmyDFG]

There is one God and that is the God who Jesus was used to call as Father. You say three persons who are both divine then you say God is one! Just say God is one and that is better for you. Jesus was % 100 human. So that humanity side of Jesus must be partner of divinity. Was humanity nature of Jesus another person? Then we should add another personality beside three persons! Very confused.

God is one. God is one. God is one. God is one. Not three. God is one. God is one. God is one… When will you understand that?

And when Jesus said “I AM” that Jesus mean I am the one who was sent by God. Do you not read Bible?

Jesus is Son of Man. Not Son of a man
Yes I do read the Bible. Do you not understand the Bible?
The Father can be said to be greater than the Son pertaining to their relation within the inner life of God, but not with respect to their shared nature as being fully and equally God. The Father alone is the first principle of life in the Godhead; thus, the Catechism of the Catholic Church can say, in paragraph 246: “Everything that belongs to the Father, except being Father, the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born . . .” In this sense, the Father can be said to be greater than the Son relationally, while they are absolutely equal with regard to their essence as God.

In God we see the Father the “being one” and first principal of life in the Godhead the Son the “knowing one” the Word who proceeds from the Father and the Holy Spirit the “willing one” the bond of love between the Father and Son who proceeds as love from the Father and Son. These “three” do not “equal” one if we are trying to say 3=1 mathematically. These three are distinct realities, relationally speaking, just as my own being, knowing, and willing are three distinct realities in me. Yet, in both God and man these three relationally distinct realities subsist in one being.

When we think of a family, we can see how a father, mother, and child can be distinct persons and yet possess the same nature (human), just as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons who each possess the same nature (divine).

 

[JimmyDFG]

There is one God and that is the God who Jesus was used to call as Father. You say three persons who are both divine then you say God is one! Just say God is one and that is better for you. Jesus was % 100 human. So that humanity side of Jesus must be partner of divinity. Was humanity nature of Jesus another person? Then we should add another personality beside three persons! Very confused.

God is one. God is one. God is one. God is one. Not three. God is one. God is one. God is one… When will you understand that?

And when Jesus said “I AM” that Jesus mean I am the one who was sent by God. Do you not read Bible?

You quoted John 5:18. Why do you not look at John 5:27? Jesus did not say “I am equal to God” That was accusing of people. What did Jesus say about Himself? John 5:27: 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Yes Jesus was just a human.

Jesus always was used to talk about Father. Jesus implied and declared that very certain. Just the next verse:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5.

25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

-(Do you understand who Jesus talked about?) Father!

28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. John 8. Amin!

I’ll give you more Bible quotes that shows Jesus’ Divinity
John1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word: the Word was with God and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.

John8:11
She replied, “No one, sir.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, [and] from now on do not sin any more.”

John8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”

John8:58
Jesus said to them “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

John10"30-33
The Father and I are one.”
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him.
Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?”
The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God.”

John20:27-28
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and see my hands, and bring your hand and put it into my side, and do not be unbelieving, but believe.”
Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Colossians2:9
For in him dwells the whole fullness of the deity bodily,

Philippians2:5-11
Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus,*
Who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.
Rather, he emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
coming in human likeness;
and found human in appearance,
he humbled himself,
becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.
Because of this, God greatly exalted him
and bestowed on him the name
that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that
Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Hebrews1:8
but of the Son:
“Your throne, O God,* stands forever and ever;
and a righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.

Jesus is worshipped. Jesus said to worship God only, yet He receives worship.

Matthew2:2
saying, “Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We saw his star* at its rising and have come to do him homage.”

Matthew2:11
nd on entering the house they saw the child with Mary his mother. They prostrated themselves and did him homage. Then they opened their treasures and offered him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Matthew14:33
Those who were in the boat did him homage, saying, “Truly, you are the Son of God.”

John9:35-38
When Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, he found him and said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
He answered and said, “Who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?”
Jesus said to him, “You have seen him and the one speaking with you is he.”
He said, “I do believe, Lord,” and he worshiped him.

Hebrews1:6
And again, when he leads* the first-born into the world, he says:
“Let all the angels of God worship him.”

hasantas, Do you don’t read or understand the Holy Bible?

 

[JimmyDFG]

Nice.

Also Matthew 28:18-19 might me of help to Hasantas.

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Alleluia !

MJ

Thank you very much Martin!! Hopefully hasantas will add this one in too

 

[MartinJordan]

Thank you very much Martin!! Hopefully hasantas will add this one in too

I’m also waiting for Hasantas to reveal what his Imam says about The Father being God. I’ve never heard it from any Imam of repute as of yet.Speaking of…it seems the website I linked now fails to open. Regardless info on this Imam is available. I don’t doubt his credentials. He rejects God as being Father.

MJ

 

[hasantas]

Jesus is Son of Man. Not Son of a man
Yes I do read the Bible. Do you not understand the Bible?
The Father can be said to be greater than the Son pertaining to their relation within the inner life of God, but not with respect to their shared nature as being fully and equally God. The Father alone is the first principle of life in the Godhead; thus, the Catechism of the Catholic Church can say, in paragraph 246: “Everything that belongs to the Father, except being Father, the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born . . .” In this sense, the Father can be said to be greater than the Son relationally, while they are absolutely equal with regard to their essence as God.

In God we see the Father the “being one” and first principal of life in the Godhead the Son the “knowing one” the Word who proceeds from the Father and the Holy Spirit the “willing one” the bond of love between the Father and Son who proceeds as love from the Father and Son. These “three” do not “equal” one if we are trying to say 3=1 mathematically. These three are distinct realities, relationally speaking, just as my own being, knowing, and willing are three distinct realities in me. Yet, in both God and man these three relationally distinct realities subsist in one being.

When we think of a family, we can see how a father, mother, and child can be distinct persons and yet possess the same nature (human), just as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons who each possess the same nature (divine).

You may have distinct realities inner as knowing, willing, speaking etc. But those are not distinct personalities. For instance your speaking is not your knowing or willing. If you say every person of Godhead has a distinct personality but that means distinct three persons and three gods. There is no any statement in Bible for philosophical comments of Catechism! But if you claim Catechism is above scripture? Then I have nothing to say.

 

[hasantas]

I’m also waiting for Hasantas to reveal what his Imam says about The Father being God. I’ve never heard it from any Imam of repute as of yet.Speaking of…it seems the website I linked now fails to open. Regardless info on this Imam is available. I don’t doubt his credentials. He rejects God as being Father.

MJ

Does Imam reject Father to be partner of divinity or distinct God?

 

[hasantas]

I’ll give you more Bible quotes that shows Jesus’ Divinity
John1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word: the Word was with God and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.

John8:11
She replied, “No one, sir.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, [and] from now on do not sin any more.”

John8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”

John8:58
Jesus said to them “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

John10"30-33
The Father and I are one.”
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him.
Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?”
The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God.”

John20:27-28
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and see my hands, and bring your hand and put it into my side, and do not be unbelieving, but believe.”
Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Colossians2:9
For in him dwells the whole fullness of the deity bodily,

Philippians2:5-11
Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus,*
Who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.
Rather, he emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
coming in human likeness;
and found human in appearance,
he humbled himself,
becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.
Because of this, God greatly exalted him
and bestowed on him the name
that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that
Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Hebrews1:8
but of the Son:
“Your throne, O God,* stands forever and ever;
and a righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.

Jesus is worshipped. Jesus said to worship God only, yet He receives worship.

Matthew2:2
saying, “Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We saw his star* at its rising and have come to do him homage.”

Matthew2:11
nd on entering the house they saw the child with Mary his mother. They prostrated themselves and did him homage. Then they opened their treasures and offered him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Matthew14:33
Those who were in the boat did him homage, saying, “Truly, you are the Son of God.”

John9:35-38
When Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, he found him and said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
He answered and said, “Who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?”
Jesus said to him, “You have seen him and the one speaking with you is he.”
He said, “I do believe, Lord,” and he worshiped him.

Hebrews1:6
And again, when he leads* the first-born into the world, he says:
“Let all the angels of God worship him.”

hasantas, Do you don’t read or understand the Holy Bible?

I have answered those many times. So just one for John 10:30-33.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? John 10.

Jesus did not claim divinity but that was understanding of accuser people as you.

“unto whom the word of God came”. Jesus said the word of God came to Him so Jesus Himself cannot be God!

 

[MartinJordan]

I have answered those many times. So just one for John 10:30-33.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? John 10.

Jesus did not claim divinity but that was understanding of accuser people as you.

“unto whom the word of God came”. Jesus said the word of God came to Him so Jesus Himself cannot be God!

Jesus hasn’t stopped talking. Here are the rest of His Holy Words:

Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

Now, what does your Imam say, Hasantas? About Father as God?

MJ