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SheepsCousin
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Well if you’re a Biden supporter I’m glad you want to
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crusadermanj
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Father Altman is 100%. I stand with him no doubt.
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Anrakyr
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No I’m a vote against trump supporter.
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fide
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If your vote against Trump means a vote FOR Biden, and Harris, and the “Progressive” takeover to remake America into a New People’s Republic among the glorious socialist/communist nation-disasters of human history… look forward to a hard, hard time ahead.
If you can’t abide Trump, at least, please, sit out the election. Don’t be an enabler of the evil that drives that movement.
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Anrakyr
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First off that’s not how voting works and second that’s not how voting works.
Thirdly you can have a Democrat president an Republic Congress.
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OKComputer
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It’s not catholic answers if there isn’t a weekly/daily thread telling us that you can’t be a Democrat and a Catholic! 
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Jeanne_S
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How about charter schools in middle to upper middle class neighborhoods? That ok with you?
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LeafByNiggle
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Sure, if you match them one for one with charter schools right in the middle of poor neighborhoods.
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Ender
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Why should your concern control where charter schools go? If someone wants to start one, more power to them; the more the merrier. In fact 33% of the kids in such schools are Hispanic, 32% are white, and 26% are black. Why is giving parents more education options a problem?
LeafByNiggle
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Because the money to run a charter school comes from limited public funds. The more money that is spent on schools for the already-privileged, the less remains for the schools in those underserved neighborhoods.
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Not at all. Charter schools on average get 25% less money than public schools per pupil, so your argument is backwards: the more pupils removed from public schools to attend charter schools the more money per pupil the public system has. It is only the teachers unions that feel the pinch, which is why they so adamantly oppose the competition. This has nothing to do with what is best for the students and everything to do with what is best for the bureaucracy.
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Your 1+2+3=DEADLOCK in our government. “DEAD” is not a good way to run a country.
You want to welcome in death, when you can vote to move toward what is good? Trump is not perfect, but he is a breath of fresh, upfront, straightforward air, amid the smell of the DC swamp. Which is why the swamp hates him so much. Doesn’t even the overt ugliness of that “derangement” - that kind of deep hatred - say something to you?
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“We report, you decide” does not, I’m very sad to say, always result in learning. Truth is inherently misunderstandable, as Eve and Adam demonstrated to humanity very early in the journey to God’s final and perfect intention. Human persons can bend Truth to fit their own desires and opinions - to their own detriment, and the future suffering of their children and followers to come.It’s not catholic answers if there isn’t a weekly/daily thread telling us that you can’t be a Democrat and a Catholic!
Today’s Democrats have moved far, far away from the party of their past. Biden, in his ambition, is speaking out of both sides of his mouth, often in the same sentence: the side of the old party, and the side of the progressive radicals. Beware of duplicity - it is a good sign of a bad person.
LeafByNiggle
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The reason for that is the charter schools do not provide the same services for the money they get. The often do not provide transportation (school busses, etc.), meals, special ed to all who need it, extra curricular activities, etc. Also they have no legal obligation to be transparent about their salaries and hold public board meetings. Couple this with the fact that charter schools can us a lottery system to limit attendance to what their facility can manage, while true public schools have a statutory obligation to serve all in the district, it is not surprising that they show less per pupil costs. If there were no public schools, some kids just would get no education at all. So I remain opposed to charter schools in rich kids’ neighborhoods paid for by public funds.
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sealabeag
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I would actually be genuinely interested in hearing from Catholics (and by Catholics I mean those who assent to all the Church’s teachings) who are/vote Democrat, and how they rationalise that.
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Julius_Caesar
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I take the same tone with Republicans who despite having a majority in the Supreme Court don’t want to revoke Roe vs. Wade.
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PaulinVA
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You do know why this is so, don’t you? Public schools are required to provide an education and services even to the most infirm kids, while the charter schools and Catholic schools are not.
Eviscerating the public schools so that a few fortunately kids get a “better” education is short sided (sighted?). In effect, the higher public school average is because the kids needing the most help are hugely expensive and are subsidized by the mainstream kids. Take the mainstream kids out and the public schools collapse.
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So charter schools provide fewer services, and you want them only in poor neighborhoods? The fact remains, however: if charter schools only receive 75% as much per pupil as public schools, then the extra 25% remains with the school district, so they will have even more to spend on the students in the public system. The real reason that charter and parochial schools can provide a higher quality education at a lower cost has very little to do with their providing fewer services than with them having fewer administrators. The administrative overhead in the public system is an enormous drain on those resources.
Right, except that removing the kids and keeping the money hardly seems the most effective way to collapse the system. It is, however, noteworthy that both you and @LeafByNiggle acknowledge that kids get a better education at charter schools…and you both want to deny parents access to them.
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PaulinVA
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I had better in quotes. Not acknowledging that at all. I’ve read many horror stories of Charters.
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Ender
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Fair enough, so why oppose them? Their financial impact, such as it is, is a net positive for the school district. If there were a sufficient number in a district it might impact it financially, but if there were that many wouldn’t it indicate that the public system was doing such a bad job that students were leaving in droves?
Where is the down side? OK, so some of the charters have been bad, at least the parents have options. Where do they go when the public schools are bad and there are no options? That a solution is not perfect is no reason to oppose it. Why do these schools have waiting lists, especially in inner cities? Why deny those kids the best opportunity they will have to improve their lives?
Here is the situation in (e.g.) North Carolina:
- Nearly 60,000 children are currently being denied enrollment into the school of their choice
- This waiting list is larger than all but three school districts in North Carolina
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